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Scott Wilkinson 01-02-2018 03:39 PM

LG LCD TVs at CES 2018
 
LG LCD TVs at CES 2018 include three new UHD model lines and one new FHD (1080p) model line, and all but one use IPS panels.

https://www.avsforum.com/lg-lcd-tvs-ces-2018

kleenex 01-02-2018 05:36 PM

We need some more 40" models!!

mithras1 01-03-2018 01:59 AM

They don't make any 40" panels themselves ;)(nor 50 or 70)

nathanddrews 01-03-2018 05:46 AM

I don't understand LG's ethos in this market. Are they just dumping so much money into OLED (arguably the best displays ever made) that they have to halfass their low end offerings? Fake HDR and fake UHD RGBW? Are they putting them together using scraps found around the assembly line? There are much cheaper TVs that offer full UHD RGB and HDR10. Why cut corners so much? :confused:

jcbaggins 01-03-2018 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanddrews (Post 55423550)
I don't understand LG's ethos in this market. Are they just dumping so much money into OLED (arguably the best displays ever made) that they have to halfass their low end offerings? Fake HDR and fake UHD RGBW? Are they putting them together using scraps found around the assembly line? There are much cheaper TVs that offer full UHD RGB and HDR10. Why cut corners so much? :confused:

Why is there not a FALD 75" offering from LG? If I read other articles correctly, manufacturers are focusing on the larger sizes in the future so you would think LG would want to start this year as well. Oh well

S_rangeBrew 04-03-2018 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanddrews (Post 55423550)
I don't understand LG's ethos in this market. Are they just dumping so much money into OLED (arguably the best displays ever made) that they have to halfass their low end offerings? Fake HDR and fake UHD RGBW? Are they putting them together using scraps found around the assembly line? There are much cheaper TVs that offer full UHD RGB and HDR10. Why cut corners so much? :confused:

What does "Fake HDR" even mean? Are they still using 8-bit panels in this day and age? I'm looking into large TVs and it looks like the only 86" LG TV this year is the 86UK6570PUB. From what I am reading here, the 6500 series is fairly low end stuff. Last year, the 86" TV was in the higher end 9500 series, 86SJ9570. Seems you are right, they have really downgraded the non-Oled sets this year.

Meanwhile, Sony has TWO 85" decently priced monsters, the 850F and 900F. Samsung also has two big sets the 82" NU8000 and 82" Q6F. ALL of these look like they are superior to LGs single offering.

LG, 65" (your biggest reasonably priced OLED) is not big enough. Get some nice large sets like Sony and Samsung have.

nathanddrews 04-04-2018 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by S_rangeBrew (Post 55967108)
What does "Fake HDR" even mean?

"...Both of these model lines are actually HDR-compatible, which means they can accept an HDR10 or HLG signal and even emulate dynamic metadata with 4K Active HDR, but they are not true HDR-capable displays..."
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Originally Posted by S_rangeBrew (Post 55967108)
Are they still using 8-bit panels in this day and age?

It's not about the panel bit depth, but the subpixel arrangement. LG uses an RGB+W subpixel offset structure that lacks a true 3840x2160 RGB resolution. Subpixels are traditionally Red/Green/Blue triads arranged in a grid that matches the native resolution of content - 720p, 1080p, 2160p, etc. What LG does is place a white LED where every fourth RGB LED triad should be. The result is an image that is less sharp than a native UHD image. AVS made an article with details:
https://www.avsforum.com/rgb-vs-rgbw-...d-designation/

https://www.avsforum.com/wordpress/wp...s-RGBW-LCD.jpg

danman81 07-07-2018 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by S_rangeBrew (Post 55967108)
What does "Fake HDR" even mean? Are they still using 8-bit panels in this day and age? I'm looking into large TVs and it looks like the only 86" LG TV this year is the 86UK6570PUB. From what I am reading here, the 6500 series is fairly low end stuff. Last year, the 86" TV was in the higher end 9500 series, 86SJ9570. Seems you are right, they have really downgraded the non-Oled sets this year.

Meanwhile, Sony has TWO 85" decently priced monsters, the 850F and 900F. Samsung also has two big sets the 82" NU8000 and 82" Q6F. ALL of these look like they are superior to LGs single offering.

LG, 65" (your biggest reasonably priced OLED) is not big enough. Get some nice large sets like Sony and Samsung have.

extremely interesting. i'm thinking, however, that the panels between the 86UK6570PUB and 86SJ9570 might even be the same? the price has gone down but that is true across the market for 2018. But basically, we haven't seen too much new technology being released in 2018, but we've been seeing the large formats get cheaper, finally! Obviously, the trim is the lower too, which basically means the magic remote, i think. i have a need for good viewing angles, so i'm leaning more toward this IPS display because sony's are not IPS in the 80" range, i believe. i really hope oled can take off more, but it's just still not there yet where it needs to be in terms of price, size, etc.., but i think the manufacturers will start making room for it and hopefully you will see more oled tv's!

update: incase youre interested, i stand corrected by this guy on lg.com:

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LGJoel
· 2 months ago
Yes, there are differences between the LG UK6570PUB 4K HDR Smart LED UHD TV w/ AI ThinQ® - 86" Class (85.6" Diag), Model # 86UK6570PUB and the LG SUPER UHD 4K HDR Smart LED TV - 86" Class (85.6" Diag), Model # 86SJ9570. You'll notice that in the titles for each TV, the 86SJ9570 is a "Super UHD 4K HDR Smart LED TV" indicated by the "S" in the model number and the 86UK6570PUB is a 4K HDR Smart LED UHD TV, indicated by the "U" in its model number. The 86SJ9570 is a true 10-bit panel and the 86UK6570PUB uses FRC (Frame Rate Control - 8 bits + FRC) to achieve a 10-bit panel. The 86SJ9670 is an Edge-Lit TV and the 86UK6570PUB is a Direct LED. The 86UK6570PUB has a 20W 2.0 Channel System that features down-firing speakers, the 86SK9570 features an 80W 5.2 Channel Harman Kardon™ Sound System and LG's Wireless Sound Sync. The 86UK6570PUB has 3 x USB 2.0 ports and the 86SJ9570 has 2 x USB 2.0 ports and 1 x USB 3.0 port...^IFV
so, looks like it's not exactly the same panel, but they did find a way to get a price a lot lower this year on the 86" on stuff like the speakers and that 3rd usb port that people don't use anyway. smart! but don't forget about the spying features cough cough AI features they added this year too like other brands are

mletto157 11-28-2018 09:39 AM

Any input on which would be better/more important? The 10-bit panel on the SJ or the direct-lit LED on the UK? Any help would be appreciated.


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