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What are the chances the new FALD flagship, such as a Z9F, will get an expedited HDMI 2.1 / eARC implementation, in say, July/Aug ‘18?

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I agree totally. It wasn't just disappointing in TV land, there was really nothing exciting that jumped at me.
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I realize they couldn't but it seems like it would have been best for everyone if CES was delayed about 6 months so HDMI 2.1 could have been everywhere and maybe get their other $#!+ in order.
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8K? Seriously. 4K has barely taken off.


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There was what, like 10 4k discs released in 2017... yea lets get an 8k set. Man people just don't think.
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There was what, like 10 4k discs released in 2017... yea lets get an 8k set. Man people just don't think.

Around 150 for 2017, closing in on 300 total.

8k is more for larger TV sizes (80" and up). Samsung's new AI upscaling shown in demos produced a sharper and more detailed image compared to a 4k TV of the same size sitting next to it playing the same content. Word is that it was very impressive from those who actually seen it.
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I can't really chime in with a strong opinion since I haven't seen any of the conferences myself, but I did read of a lot of posts stating that most were disappointing or boring. I think a lot of people were hoping for more announcements about 88"+ plus tv screens and more news on potential MicroLED technology. For my budget however I was pleased to see TCL's 6-series 65" offering and Sony's 900F series (yay DV!) coming out in the Spring. But I suspect my expectations are on a much smaller scale than most lol.
I consider the above as bright spots too. I expect my next tv will be one of the two above.

My biggest disappointment is no sign of QDCF.
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I consider the above as bright spots too. I expect my next tv will be one of the two above.

My biggest disappointment is no sign of QDCF.

QDCF being discussed in the Samsung thread. YES it was there!
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Around 150 for 2017, closing in on 300 total.

8k is more for larger TV sizes (80" and up). Samsung's new AI upscaling shown in demos produced a sharper and more detailed image compared to a 4k TV of the same size sitting next to it playing the same content. Word is that it was very impressive from those who actually seen it.
90% are 2k upscales.


Check again brah.
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QDCF being discussed in the Samsung thread. YES it was there!
thx,

Yes, apparently it was there as a prototype but not something one could purchase any time soon, thus I'll keep my disappointment.
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90% are 2k upscales.


Check again brah.


I'm not even sure what your arguing about "brah".


Id bet you'd fall over in your little chair if I told you that is actually closer to 40-50% that are "real 4k". Id bet that most people would argue that, but its true.

close to 150 of the 300 released titles have 4k masters. Let that sink in for a bit "brah".

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Has the industry hit a "peak"?
Perhaps current technology has hit its' high point at this moment and improvements will be more incremental and maybe more flash than pure substance.
I've followed some of the links to see what is being introduced and while pretty cool to see some of the new stuff nothing seems to be groundbreaking.
I'm not complaining because what is currently available is pretty incredible to 62 year old me. My system while not state of the art is fantastic to what I've had in years, decades past.

I can wait another year or two for the next big jumps in technology.

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I'm not even sure what your arguing about "brah".


Id bet you'd fall over in your little chair if I told you that is actually closer to 40-50% that are "real 4k". Id bet that most people would argue that, but its true.

close to 150 of the 300 released titles have 4k masters. Let that sink in for a bit "brah".

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=270798
All 150 of those were released last year???


Here's a shorter list, it's 27 for 2017: http://realorfake4k.com/list/
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8K? Seriously. 4K has barely taken off.
4K has not taken off, if you mean OTA. The US has 1080i30 at best, Europe is switching to 1080p50 AVC, South Korea is going to inaugurate large-scale 4K broadcast using ATSC-3 for Summer Olympics. Not only the US is behind, it is getting worse: where there was 15 Mbit/s stream, now there are three sub-channels with 5 Mbit/s each, and with MPEG-2 it looks barely SD. Yes, ATSC-3 can help with such a narrow bandwidth, but then everyone needs to buy a converter box. In any case, who cares for OTA TV, it is practically dead. On the other hand, with net neutrality no more, either Netflix, Amazon, Hulu and others will buy themselves a fast lane (and we as users will pay for it), or cable providers will ask us to buy a fast lane for Netflix, either way we will pay for it. We are screwed one way or another. Nothing to watch on TV anyway, so who cares. All I want is an inexpensive OLED panel, does not even has to be 4K - just for DVDs and Blu-rays.

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All 150 of those were released last year???


Here's a shorter list, it's 27 for 2017: http://realorfake4k.com/list/


Total for the entire format. And no, we dont use real or fakes website because many inaccuracies have been found and his methods for determining those classifications have been called out by people more knowledgeable than he is although I applaud his efforts. He was a poster over at BluRay.com but couldn't handle the criticism of his methods and inaccuracies.

Nearly 50% of 300 total releases are classified as having 4k masters. And 150 total disc's were released in 2017, not 10 as you embarrassingly claimed but I'm going to assume was a exaggeration.
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Hdmi2.1 will roll out CES next year but is going to be slow. 2020 will be more wide. I bet that is why consumer reports is telling people to wait till late 2019 for upgrades.

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LOL @ all the people saying 2018 everything will be HDMI 2.1 and 8K will be rolling out. This is definitely a snooze year with DV hopefully finally getting off the ground for many already existing and new devices. My AVR and TV will be getting DV this year. And I need to decide on a BR player that will support DV to close the loop, in addition I think I need to find a media streamer that supports DV unless I am forced to use an APP on my TV.

2019 will be the year most devices launch with DV instead of a firmware release.

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^^ There will always be something coming down the pipe to wait for......
This is true, but HDMI 2.1 and ATSC 3.0 are kind of fundamental shifts/changes, don't you think? Adding 3D, curved screens, smart features, even 4k (though HDR I'd consider a fundamental change), etc., fall more into the category of iterations and improvements, imho. But when you have fundamental alterations in the underlying hardware and delivery mechanism(s), that feels like the type of change where it may make some sense to hold off until it gets resolved. It's one thing if it's 2 or 3 years out (which, as things have turned out, has been the case with ATSC 3.0 and HDMI 2.1--which to me is the fault of the industry which created an initial buzz 1.5 -2 years ago and suggested changes were imminent--I'm still floored about the delays in completing the ATSC 3.0 standard that were almost 100% due to ridiculously DUMB and petty political and regulatory reasons), but now? Despite the delays and frustrations for those who may have waited while the regulators/standard bodies wasted everyone's time, it's reasonably safe to say the two standards are indeed finally ready for prime time. So if I hadn't made an upgrade in the past 2-3 years, I'd probably wait it out another year.

Fortunately, I took the leap last year--so I'm not faced with the undesirable decision to upgrade or not to upgrade. So by the time I'm ready for my next upgrade, the two new standards should be relatively ubiquitous. But for those who haven't, they're kind of caught in a bit of limbo. I'm not sure what I'd do--but I'd like to think I'd hold out. It's just really hard to justify upgrades to premium hardware in 2018, imho.
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I've said this elsewhere, but I'm perplexed with Panasonic for not at least showing their light modulating cell, high-contrast IPS panels, announced in late 2016, in some form (they have been shown at NAB and other broadcast conferences, though interestingly without being accredited). They are apparently very close to shipping them for pro reference monitor use after basically a year of testing (Eizo, Flanders Scientific).

I'm guessing they are too pricey to produce or otherwise impractical at TV size for consumers.
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Vizio is so smart to stay out of CES.

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Especially if they have nothing new to add. It's looking like TCL is going to be more popular and possibly more satisfying too.

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Especially if they have nothing new to add. It's looking like TCL is going to be more popular and possibly more satisfying too.
Disagree. TCL tops off at 65". Vizio can run with the larger displays.

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Unfortunately, the technology is far outpacing what is being delivered in the home. Most people are still watching 720p or 1080i programming, with no real sense of urgency by local tv stations, national networks, cable companies or satellite companies to deliver true 4K material. So we are stuck with compressed 4K streaming or UHD 24fps discs.
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Disagree. TCL tops off at 65". Vizio can run with the larger displays.

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I think you need to go to CES in person and experience it instead of sitting behind a keyboard and watching a few livestreams before you can proclaim it's a disappointment.
How does one go about getting tickets to CES? Is it open to the public?

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Everyone and everything I read points to larger sizes at cheaper prices. That’s the market for next year.

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How does one go about getting tickets to CES? Is it open to the public?
No, it's not open to the public. It used to be that pretty much anyone with a business card could register and go. Now they want to see your business website and supposedly they're screening that your business is relevant to consumer electronics. However, I saw little evidence of that from what I saw on some people's badges for the company.
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Everyone and everything I read points to larger sizes at cheaper prices. That’s the market for next year.
I think a drop in prices would be welcome for many, especially if that includes OLED. Even the big screen LCD tv's (70"+) are pretty much out of my price range unless I settle for something budget like the Vizio E series.
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This video got my imagination going. I have no idea what they are talking about but Consumer Reports typically doesn't get on the hype train:

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This video got my imagination going. I have no idea what they are talking about but Consumer Reports typically doesn't get on the hype train: https://youtu.be/EHhcZ1cY2pQ

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It makes me laugh that he thinks a 65" is a JUMBO sized screen.
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