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40--44" computer monitor advice needed

I sure could use the expertise of you guys, as the searches I did here found threads that are all pretty dated.
I need to replace my 37" Sceptre X37SV-Naga computer (Windows 7 tower) monitor that I have used very happily for 12 years!
I would like a 40"--44" monitor.
I will hang it on a wall 4--5 feet from my eyeballs.
I will use it 99% for computer use (web surfing, email, etc. with mouse & keyboard) and 1% for watching DVDs, and 1% for streaming video from the web.
My old monitor was set for 1920 x 1080 resolution, and I could read text easily. I do not want really high rez with tiny text, since I am viewing seated at 4--5'.
So, before I put out $700 to $1,200 I would be grateful to you all for any suggestions of what would be important to look for, or units to consider, or features I may need for the future.

Gratefully, Richard -- Santa Cruz, CA

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I think a lot of people, including me, are using Samsung MU6290/MU6300. The 40" is a 4k VA panel that supports 4:4:4. Input lag and contrast are pretty nice, but response time not so much. OS scaling should take care of any issues with readability on a high resolution screen.

If you're picky about ghosting, probably better off looking at a real computer monitor.

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I think a lot of people, including me, are using Samsung MU6290/MU6300. The 40" is a 4k VA panel that supports 4:4:4. Input lag and contrast are pretty nice, but response time not so much. OS scaling should take care of any issues with readability on a high resolution screen.

If you're picky about ghosting, probably better off looking at a real computer monitor.

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Thanks for the response; I was beginning to think that I had posted in the wrong forum or something.
I decided to go with the LG 43” Class 4K UHD 43UD79-B monitor.
Any thoughts of what would be a good video card to support it and one other 4K monitor on the same computer?
This one has TWO Display Ports which would be good for wiring up the two monitors. I am not a gamer, just a web surfer with the rare video streaming or BluRay disc watching.
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If you're not gaming then it doesn't matter a whole lot. Any modern video card with the right ports should be able to handle two 4k monitors for web, office, etc. Gaming is where you would really need a high end card. A 1080 struggles with a single 4k monitor when running demanding titles at ultra level detail.

I think that LG monitor DisplayPort is 1.2, which isn't enough bandwidth for two 4k monitors. Probably need to run a cable to each. Your choice DisplayPort vs HDMI.

Since you mentioned playing video on occasion, I'd recommend the latest generation of video cards e.g. NVidia 10xx (not 9xx) or AMD RX. The newer cards have built in hardware acceleration for 4k video.

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I think that LG monitor DisplayPort is 1.2, which isn't enough bandwidth for two 4k monitors. Probably need to run a cable to each. Your choice DisplayPort vs HDMI.

Since you mentioned playing video on occasion, I'd recommend the latest generation of video cards e.g. NVidia 10xx (not 9xx) or AMD RX. The newer cards have built in hardware acceleration for 4k video.

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Right, I will NOT be daisy-chaining the Display Port connections to the two monitors anyway, as they are in different directions from the computer, and at a distance. I am considering this nVidia card because it has TWO separate Display Port outputs, one for each of my monitors. Sure would like to hear what you think of this option and whether of not it fits your advice to go with "the latest generation".
nVidia Quadro K4000 3GB GDDR5 has 2 Display Ports & 1 DVI port

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That card is pretty old and targeted for the workstation market e.g. AutoCAD designers. I'm sure it would drive the monitors fine, but it's not going to have any acceleration capability for 4k video.

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That card is pretty old and targeted for the workstation market e.g. AutoCAD designers. I'm sure it would drive the monitors fine, but it's not going to have any acceleration capability for 4k video.

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Boy, sure glad to know that. It's what was recommended by an nVidia chat guy. So, what did I expect?!?
Might you have any suggestions? I prefer a card that has two separate HDMI or Display Ports so I can run cables separately to each of the 4K monitors. And something that will be workable for ~8 years. I can afford to pay now, to avoid having to upgrade in a few years.
Thanks a bunch, R
PS My 2 cable lengths to the two 4K monitors are 30' & 13' . This might preclude Display Port; dunno.

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If you're looking to overspend a little then I'd look at 1050 Ti model that doesn't spin the fan normally. I have an MSI Gaming X and it only kicks on when gaming.

The Ti should have 4GB RAM. That can game okay at 1080p, so anything higher will work if you want even more overkill. Not going to make a difference for desktop though.

For flexibility you'll probably need to go one HDMI and one DP. DP is probably not going to work at 30ft. If you're set against that, then you're choices will be pretty limited. Just plug the filter into newegg or whatever.
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For AMD a RX560 or RX580 would probably be comparable. You'd have to do the research for more details.
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This might do this trick:

MSI GT 1030 2GH LP OC

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814137140

It has 1 displayport and 1 HDMI, fanless.
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If you're looking to overspend a little then I'd look at 1050 Ti model that doesn't spin the fan normally. I have an MSI Gaming X and it only kicks on when gaming.

The Ti should have 4GB RAM. That can game okay at 1080p, so anything higher will work if you want even more overkill. Not going to make a difference for desktop though.

For flexibility you'll probably need to go one HDMI and one DP. DP is probably not going to work at 30ft. If you're set against that, then you're choices will be pretty limited. Just plug the filter into newegg or whatever.
Great idea to go with Display Port for the closer new 43" LG 4K monitor and HDMI for the 4K that is already connected by a 30 foot HDMI Redmere cable. So, I will need to look at graphics cards that have both ports. Those GeForce 1050i units look like a bit of overkill for a non-gamer like me. I like the idea of a fanless or not-always-on fan, as I keep my tower running 24/7.

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This might do this trick:

MSI GT 1030 2GH LP OC

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814137140

It has 1 displayport and 1 HDMI, fanless.
Perfect. Odd that it does not say what version HDMI port.
So, would this fully support two 4K UHD monitors and handle my simple uses of web and normal desktop type uses?
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Perfect. Odd that it does not say what version HDMI port.
So, would this fully support two 4K UHD monitors and handle my simple uses of web and normal desktop type uses?
I believe so, assuming your monitors have HDMI 2.0 inputs (some may be displayport only).
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Honestly,

High res with tiny text is a problem of like 6+ years ago. Windows will automatically adjust the size of everything[scaling] and you can adjust it yourself. I sit 4.5 feet from a 49" and don't have the greatest vision.
That said high end BIG displays start at 49". Go to rtings.com and they will give GOOD reviews. KS8000 is a good last year model. Sony x900e is a good this year model.

Below 49" is the "budget displays". You could buy a last year model[ks8000] for a comparative price.

Though if your set on 40ish inches can go with a MU7000

RTINGS.COM is where you should go imo. Set SIZE and it will show best reviews for COMPUTER USAGE. I am writing this from a 49" KS8000 fyi.

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I believe so, assuming your monitors have HDMI 2.0 inputs (some may be displayport only).
Yes, the 43" LG monitor that I am considering has both inputs.
If that MSI GT 1030 2GH LP OC graphics card will support two 4K monitors using those the HDMI 2.0 & DP outputs that it has (& their matching inputs on my two monitors) I should be ready to do some buying.

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[quote=eqzitara;55538066]Honestly,

High res with tiny text is a problem of like 6+ years ago. Windows will automatically adjust the size of everything[scaling] and you can adjust it yourself. I sit 4.5 feet from a 49" and don't have the greatest vision.
That said high end BIG displays start at 49". Go to rtings.com and they will give GOOD reviews. KS8000 is a good last year model. Sony x900e is a good this year model.


Glad to hear that you are at 4.5' with no tiny text problem. I know that the text of most apps can be adjusted, but I have run into few that cannot be. But, I'm sure there are ways. Anyway, thanks. I won't worry much about hi-rez/small text.
The wall space for the large monitor in my system requires something under 45" and not curved. I think that the LG 43” Class 4K UHD 43UD79-B is probably going to be my best fit. Thanks for the tip about RTINGS.com . Nice.
Any suggestions for a small ULTRA Wide 4K monitor that is no more than 14" tall?

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That MSI card is HDMI 2.0b and DP 1.4. Looks like a good choice.

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Perfect. Odd that it does not say what version HDMI port.
So, would this fully support two 4K UHD monitors and handle my simple uses of web and normal desktop type uses?
While it generally will, unless fanless is non-negotiable, I would be cautious about buying extremely low-end cards like the 1030. You get a card with very low capabilities that way, and have to keep your fingers crossed that you won't need anything more later.

A Geforce 1050 isn't much more, this one is $129: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814125951
For that, you get two HDMI 2.0 ports (so you can connect 2 TVs, not strictly 1 TV+1 monitor), and a card with 2x the performance of the 1030. For your use case, dual screens, I think two HDMI 2.0 is good future-proofing; you can convert DP or DVI to HDMI, but it's rarely a 2.0 18 gbps signal.
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Glad to hear that you are at 4.5' with no tiny text problem. I know that the text of most apps can be adjusted, but I have run into few that cannot be. But, I'm sure there are ways.
You can force system scaling for old apps (at least with Win10, not sure when it was added). This always works. However, non-integer scaling will be blurry.
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If you're not gaming then it doesn't matter a whole lot. Any modern video card with the right ports should be able to handle two 4k monitors for web, office, etc. Gaming is where you would really need a high end card. A 1080 struggles with a single 4k monitor when running demanding titles at ultra level detail.

Since you mentioned playing video on occasion, I'd recommend the latest generation of video cards e.g. NVidia 10xx (not 9xx) or AMD RX. The newer cards have built in hardware acceleration for 4k video.

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When you say "NVidia 10xx (not 9xx)" I assume that the fanless MSI GT 1030 2GH LP OC that I am considering ( the GEForce 1050 that AnalongHD recommends) meet that criterion. Right?

I have attached the G Card requirements of my monitor choice. I assume that the
MSI GT 1030 2GH LP OC would meet these requirements as well, right?
But, I notice that using an HDMI & Windows OS, that I would not get above 30 Hz (60 Hz with DisplayPort). So, if I use the HDMI monitor port to connect one of the 4K monitors to my computer system (because it is 25' from the computer) will I experience a reduction in video quality over what I would get if I could use DisplayPort?

Thanks guys, Richard
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Yes, both are recent. For similar price, I would choose a more powerful card with a fan that only runs when needed.

As I read that, only if you use HDMI port 1 or 2. HDMI 2.0 has enough bandwidth for [email protected]

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Yes, both are recent. For similar price, I would choose a more powerful card with a fan that only runs when needed.
I have a semi-fanless nvidia 1050, but the semi-fanless feature turned out to be useless, since the only time I hear the fans is when it spins up (which happens even when idling). So I force the fans to run continuously.

The 1030 didn't exist when I bought my 1050, otherwise I would have got it instead.
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The fan speed is typically temperature-driven. If it's running all the time, then a couple possible causes are:

1) case with poor ventilation
2) GPU not clocking down

The latter is probably going to be caused by software bugs and/or configuration issues e.g. OS power plan set to "Max Performance"

Sure, you won't have fan noise problems on the passive models (unless it's the case fans spinning up), but you'll probably run into issues due to throttling instead.

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The fan speed is typically temperature-driven. If it's running all the time, then a couple possible causes are:

1) case with poor ventilation
2) GPU not clocking down

The latter is probably going to be caused by software bugs and/or configuration issues e.g. OS power plan set to "Max Performance"
Running it all the time is better than periodically spinning up - the latter
makes more noise, which defeats the purpose.

The card only idles in low power mode when driving 1 display. Actually when I first got it, low power mode was active with 2 displays, but it also crashed all the time. Later nvidia driver updates eliminated both the crashes and the low power mode (coincidentally or not).
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Sure, but the idea is to pick a semi-passive fan that will stay in passive mode normally, but be a little more future-proof. My MSI drives dual displays (1 4k and 1 1080p) with the fan off until I game or use madVR.

I stand by my earlier points. If the board itself has a well-designed cooling solution, either the case is trapping the heat or there is a software issue. I remember an NVidia driver issue that matches your description. Unfortunately, it's not always in our hands.

If noise is #1 concern by far, then definitely get the passive model. Generally, you trade off cost/performance and may have problems fitting it in a case.

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Yes, both are recent. For similar price, I would choose a more powerful card with a fan that only runs when needed.

As I read that, only if you use HDMI port 1 or 2. HDMI 2.0 has enough bandwidth for [email protected] -tm
Thanks. The price of the graphics cards is not all that much, so I could easily go with the MSI GT 1050 rather than the1030. However, Luke's comments concerned me a bit.
You mention cooling design of the M. Board. I am intending to get a Asus Prime X299-Deluxe with a low-end Skylake Core i9 processor. Would this setup meet your recommendation for a well-designed cooling system?

I think you are correct about the 60Hz vs. 30 Hz with the LG monitor. I found this in the manual:
HDMI IN 1/2 : 3840 x 2160 @ 30 Hz
HDMI IN 3/4 : 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz
DP IN (USB-C IN) : 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz

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I was referring to the video card cooling solution. If the heat sink isn't very good or is not properly installed by manufacturing then you'll get more fan usage than needed (due to higher temps). Generally, when running, cheaper and smaller fans are noisier. A larger fan is more likely to go unnoticed since it will rotate at a lower RPM.

As far as motherboards, I generally do like the ASUS ones. The BIOS provides a lot of control/customization in regard to fan speeds. I'm sure ASUS aren't the only ones, but they were one of the best the last time I purchased.

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I would like to "future-proof" as much as possible, so the semi-passive-fan design of the MSI GT 1050 2GH LP OC does make sense. Although I did notice that the 1030 uses half the power of the 1050, but that may be with the assumption that the fan is running full blast. I never turn my computer off, so lower wattage is appealing.
Now as I look at the MSI 1050s I see 12 different ones (Plus all the Ti versions). I attached a list. For my simple needs which makes the most sense?
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The power ratings are nominal for full power. They have nothing to do with [near] idle draw.

Start with what will fit. Throw out half-height if you don't need it. Then, cards that are too long. Check out the port selection and fans. Check out some reviews when you have things narrowed down.

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The power ratings are nominal for full power. They have nothing to do with [near] idle draw.

Start with what will fit. Throw out half-height if you don't need it. Then, cards that are too long. Check out the port selection and fans. Check out some reviews when you have things narrowed down.
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That is what I suspected--full power.
The MSI GT 1050 2GH LP OC has 1 xDual-link DVI-D, 2 x HDMI 2.0b, 1 x DisplayPort 1.4, just an ideal port offering as far as I am concerned.
BUT, I just discovered that it is half-height. Is that really a no-no?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814125951
I can't seem to find any other 1050 that has the 2 HDMI & a DP, except, perhaps this one: MSI GEForce gtx1050 2GT LPV3 has 2 HDMI & 1 DP

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