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I still think the Q8 will be In a different class than the 900F tho. The "ultra wide viewing angles" if even remotely true puts it into a different class itself . Combined with the anti glare, better backlight, anti blooming, 500 more nits. Suddenly, all other lcds seem "old school". We'll find out soon though.

And no, i don't think the viewing angles are literally ultra wide, but possibly close to IPS levels, which for VA lcd might as well be ultra wide.

Stay tuned for 2019 when Samsung introduces "infinite viewing angles".
Well that would be the case for QDCF LCD televisions I keep hyping about where the QD move from the backlight to the exit pupil of the LCD.

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I'm getting the first 2018 Q9F review unit of anyone... in the world. So, I'd be really surprised to see another review come out before that happens.
Don't forget to count the FALD zones and get a responce time for the gamers These keys are usually missed by reviewers.
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Don't forget to count the FALD zones and get a responce time for the gamers These keys are usually missed by reviewers.
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Don’t forget to vote on Rtings for their next reviews.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/suggestions

The BB SKU number for the 65Q9 is 6200120 if you want to add your vote.

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Yes please, input lag in both game modes and panel response time if possible. Thanks
Be aware that Mark indicated earlier for the more technical aspects of the review he would refer anyone to rtings.com. Not sure of the cut off point of what measurements he'll publish and what wouldn't be however. I think he's trying to cut down on the sniping factor.
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Don’t forget to vote on Rtings for their next reviews.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/suggestions

The BB SKU number for the 65Q9 is 6200120 if you want to add your vote.

Let’s get this bad boy to the top of the review table!
I see that the 900F has been purchased so that'll probably be the first review of a 2018 model.

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Those on the other side of the pond are not happy about it but it's about time we're not at the short end of the stick as we've been deprived of the Panasonic OLED displays in the USA.



There's speculation the Q9F is more of a competitor to the Z9D and the Q8F aligns with the 900F.
Q9F a competitor to the Z9D? That would be something to see. I hope so.
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I see that the 900F has been purchased so that'll probably be the first review of a 2018 model.
I can't wait for that review because I have the 900E and it's excellent so I want to see what they say the X1 extreme chip does different or better. Honestly I doubt it's a ton different.

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I can't wait for that review because I have the 900E and it's excellent so I want to see what they say the X1 extreme chip does different or better. Honestly I doubt it's a ton different.

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Here are a couple of reviews to hold you over while you wait

Review: Sony X900F (XF90)

Sony XF90

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Here are a couple of reviews to hold you over while you wait

Review: Sony X900F (XF90)

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I'm eagerly awaiting a review of either the Q8/Q9 from the polska site
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Thanks, the top of review was mixed is say.

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My take was that they thought it's not as good as an OLED or the Z9D but it compared favorably to other mid range models and hence the highly recommended rating. There doesn't appear to be a day and night difference from the 900E however.

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My take was that they thought it's not as good as an OLED or the Z9D but it compared favorably to other mid range models and hence the highly recommended rating. There doesn't appear to be a day and night difference from the 900E however.
Well not as good OLED or Z9D is too be expected and not a big deal. It's quite less expensive. The 900E is pretty amazing to me at least.

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Something people should factor into the equation is this: Dynamic metadata is technically just a crutch, if a TV can show HDR10 properly (without the need for tonemapping) and with full DCI/P3 color to begin with, then Dolby Vision and HDR10+ essentially "melt away" as adapting the content to a TV's limitations becomes unnecessary. It's actually quite reasonable to say that this should be the goal. With content mastered to 1000 nits, it's possible TVs that can fully deliver on that promise will show up soon. With 4000 nit mastering it may be a while but not too long.

And frankly, nothing I've seen from any display ever has looked as real as the 10,000-nit prototype Sony showed at CES, which was designed to "fully" render what HDR10 is technically capable of delivering.

We've got a long way to go before we get to a point where SDR arrived a few years back, when achieving full BT.709 coverage became commonplace. Until then some sort of compensation is needed. The question is if it needs to be dynamic metadata that's in the content, or if an algorithm is enough to get the job done with regular HDR10 content and TVs that need to tonemap.
From what I've read and understand, dynamic metadata can and should operate independently from the dynamic tone mapping.

Dynamic Metadata is for fine tuning each scene. Dynamic tone mapping, is the crutch for the display that doesn't match the mastering monitor. But, that's not limited to luminance, but black level as well.

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From what I've read and understand, dynamic metadata can and should operate independently from the dynamic tone mapping.

Dynamic Metadata is for fine tuning each scene. Dynamic tone mapping, is the crutch for the display that doesn't match the mastering monitor. But, that's not limited to luminance, but black level as well.

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Well, at the end of the day the only way you are going to dynamically convert that fine-tuning into something shown on the display is with tone mapping. There's no way to separate the two, what dynamic metadata gets you is tone mapping that's optimized on a scene-by-scene basis.
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I have an Oled could not be any happier. I do think that Q9 and Q8 will have excellent PQ though. The Micro LED sets though should have an image quality to revival OLED.
As much as I love OLED and an avid fan of Dolby Vision the 65" Q9 has got my attention. I have already read reviews and comparisons but until I see one on display at Best Buy here in Texas I won't decide. Blacks are important to me and the OLED gives perfect blacks that is hard to top. We shall see.
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these TV's should turn out pretty good and a lot better than Samsung's last year models, which shouldn't be hard to top as they were very average. But I'm more looking forward to the sony z9f to be demoed at ifa this year. the 10000 nit lcd and the x1 ultimate processor sony demoed at ces this year had me more excited. if the z9f can achieve even 4000 nits, coupled with the x1 ultimate processor (even better motion than x1e) and dimming zones up in the thousands from the ~600 the z9d and implement all that with better backlight control algorithms, that will be a monster lcd for hdr.
as good as the Samsung q9f/s sound, for me as a sony x1e tv owner, I don't feel the urge to just buy them, if I have to upgrade then a z9f with the features I mentioned would sound more appealing.
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Well, at the end of the day the only way you are going to dynamically convert that fine-tuning into something shown on the display is with tone mapping. There's no way to separate the two, what dynamic metadata gets you is tone mapping that's optimized on a scene-by-scene basis.
Yes, if the display needs the tone mapping. The EOTF PQ curve would dynamically adjust to the dynamic metadata.

Moving on though, back to displays. Can't wait to read reviews, exciting times indeed.

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these TV's should turn out pretty good and a lot better than Samsung's last year models, which shouldn't be hard to top as they were very average. But I'm more looking forward to the sony z9f to be demoed at ifa this year. the 10000 nit lcd and the x1 ultimate processor sony demoed at ces this year had me more excited. if the z9f can achieve even 4000 nits, coupled with the x1 ultimate processor (even better motion than x1e) and dimming zones up in the thousands from the ~600 the z9d and implement all that with better backlight control algorithms, that will be a monster lcd for hdr.
as good as the Samsung q9f/s sound, for me as a sony x1e tv owner, I don't feel the urge to just buy them, if I have to upgrade then a z9f with the features I mentioned would sound more appealing.
not dissing the new samsungs or people willing to get them.
You own the X1E in addition to the 930E?

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You own the X1E in addition to the 930E?
x1e as the acronym for x1 xtreme which the 930e has.
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these TV's should turn out pretty good and a lot better than Samsung's last year models, which shouldn't be hard to top as they were very average. But I'm more looking forward to the sony z9f to be demoed at ifa this year. the 10000 nit lcd and the x1 ultimate processor sony demoed at ces this year had me more excited. if the z9f can achieve even 4000 nits, coupled with the x1 ultimate processor (even better motion than x1e) and dimming zones up in the thousands from the ~600 the z9d and implement all that with better backlight control algorithms, that will be a monster lcd for hdr.
as good as the Samsung q9f/s sound, for me as a sony x1e tv owner, I don't feel the urge to just buy them, if I have to upgrade then a z9f with the features I mentioned would sound more appealing.
not dissing the new samsungs or people willing to get them.
I’d be very surprised to see any consumer TV even get close to 4000 nits. I think Sony’s big push for the new Z9 will be the new x1 ultimate processor similar to what LG is claiming with their new 8 series processors. Those speedy processors can actually improve the picture significantly.

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these TV's should turn out pretty good and a lot better than Samsung's last year models, which shouldn't be hard to top as they were very average. But I'm more looking forward to the sony z9f to be demoed at ifa this year. the 10000 nit lcd and the x1 ultimate processor sony demoed at ces this year had me more excited. if the z9f can achieve even 4000 nits, coupled with the x1 ultimate processor (even better motion than x1e) and dimming zones up in the thousands from the ~600 the z9d and implement all that with better backlight control algorithms, that will be a monster lcd for hdr.
as good as the Samsung q9f/s sound, for me as a sony x1e tv owner, I don't feel the urge to just buy them, if I have to upgrade then a z9f with the features I mentioned would sound more appealing.
not dissing the new samsungs or people willing to get them.
Has there been any indication from any source that any of those specs are potential playing cards?
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I’d be very surprised to see any consumer TV even get close to 4000 nits. I think Sony’s big push for the new Z9 will be the new x1 ultimate processor similar to what LG is claiming with their new 8 series processors. Those speedy processors can actually improve the picture significantly.
The new X1 ultimate processor was probably designed for their upcoming 8K panels so if there is going to be a Z9F then I would think it'll have a 8K panel.

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Lol, more like next week.
Great to hear but did you not also rave about last years edge lit Q9 when you reviewed it and it sucked. Love the site here but I will wait to see in person and or Ratings review. I know they will be bias since they are not getting the first one in the world to review and maybe not paid in some way to review.
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all lcd's need to master is proper backlight control and not be power hogs, beyond that there shouldnt be a limit on how bright led's you can stick on the backlight pane. with oleds the problem is the technology itself does not allow for very bright panel, theres a self emitting panel with no backlight, their move to top emission will give them a boost but regardless they'll still always play catch up to lcd (or the future micro led) when it comes to peak luminance.
I don't see why a 4000 nits consumer tv cant be accomplished, the 10000 nit prototype that sony demoed at ces looked great. the technical challenges to have a 4000 nit tv can be met, it'll cost quite a lot for sure though. but since sony advertises the z9 series as their flagship, I don't see why they'd be unwilling to put it out.
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The new X1 ultimate processor was probably designed for their upcoming 8K panels so if there is going to be a Z9F then I would think it'll have a 8K panel.
And prepare to pay 20 grand! Yeah I'll start working OT now to pay for my new Z9F! Ha ha just kidding. Sound awesome.

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Has there been any indication from any source that any of those specs are potential playing cards?
I did read about the sony z9f being the first tv on which they debut their x1 ultimate processor later this year. on stuff like a zone count in the thousands or peak brightness, there hasn't been anything so far but safe to say it'll be higher than z9d (for my money, the z9d with sdr content puts out black level very close to oled, any improvement on that will obviously be great). ifa is when sony will unveil it, I hear from people in Taiwan linked to sony insiders.
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I did read about the sony z9f being the first tv on which they debut their x1 ultimate processor later this year. on stuff like a zone count in the thousands or peak brightness, there hasn't been anything so far but safe to say it'll be higher than z9d (for my money, the z9d with sdr content puts out black level very close to oled, any improvement on that will obviously be great). ifa is when sony will unveil it, I hear from people in Taiwan linked to sony insiders.
I saw the Z9D last week for the first time at Best Buy and to me it was better than the OLED by a good margin but that is just me. The brightness knocked my socks off and color was off the charts. I didn't see the black levels though because Best Buy only does bright material. I didn't see OLED black levels either when I was there for the same reason.

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As much as I love OLED and an avid fan of Dolby Vision the 65" Q9 has got my attention. I have already read reviews and comparisons but until I see one on display at Best Buy here in Texas I won't decide. Blacks are important to me and the OLED gives perfect blacks that is hard to top. We shall see.
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