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I believe Vincent Teoh is now I'm the camp that dynamic Metadata cannot be replaced. He said it on twitter the other day. But a flagship TV with 2000 nits and insane colors will probably be distracting enough to not really realize it. But all the tvs below that...
If HDR10 gets ICtCp support before the shootout, Q9FN will be hard to beat. If you don't know what you are missing, there's nothing to miss.

Side by side comparisons is the only way.

2000 nits doesn't fix shadow detail in dark scenes, dynamic metadata addresses that.

Can't wait until this thing is in BestBuy stores on display, so I can drool on it.

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In case anybody was still wondering Samsung confirmed Freesync on Q9 all the way down to Nu8000
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/sam...c-and-vrr.html

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My local Best Buy put the Q8 up last week and the Q9 yesterday, my god the Q9 looks fantastic! There's a demo for blacks that turns off all the TVs except for the Q9, the blacks are inky and the best I've ever seen on an LED. I know with bright lights it's hard to judge black levels, but in-store the blacks look OLED quality. My KS8000 has developed bad light bleed over the last few months, if I can get the Geek Squad to replace I will pay extra for a Q9.
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ive always said Samsung was too stubborn for dolby vision. but theres actually 2 different rumors going around the past week of Samsung having "discussions" about dolby vision. on top of that, a Samsung big wig accidently said last week at an event ""Our Samsung TV can decode no Dolby vision - at the moment" he was quickly run to by the other Samsung reps to correct him. so was it a complete accident or a huge slip? don't know. but we do know that there have been "changes" made behind the scenes since whats his name got out of prison.


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Maybe there will do what sony did and release an update.......
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When is Scott's review going live?
Here! Here! I'd love to hear his thoughts now that he's had some time to live with the Q9F. Strange that he hasn't updated this thread in a while.

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Is there any word on the PWM frequency of the Q9F? Even if low-frequency PWM dimming does not actually cause a headache to the majority of people, and though it helps with motion clarity with motion interpolation applied, there is a problem with game mode - perceived duplicated edges in motion when and if the PWM frequency is double the actual frame rate. Perhaps the new lowish-lag game mode frame interpolation helps with this issue, too?

The NU8000 was measured by Rtings as 240 Hz PWM frequency (when LED Clear Motion is off) instead of the Samsung-typical 120 Hz, which means there might be some difference to the previous year with the Q9 as well.
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Rtings now lists the Q9FN as purchased for review as well as the LG C8. Should be interesting to say the least.
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Maybe there will do what sony did and release an update.......
Yeah, maybe Dolby will release a new Samsung-specific DV profile that all the players and streaming providers have to implement to get DV working on Samsung sets... Oppo saw this coming, and they said enough is enough guys
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Hi,

Please i have question for all have Q9FN
whats is Panel Version
or if possible a photo where is the model name and all the TV information serial version...

Thank you very much

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I just spent an hour at Best Buy with the 2018 q9 65". I watched their demo reel and then viewed content on a thumb drive I brought that had things like 5% 50% grey.. recorded Witcher3 4k gameplay, photos, etc..
The BB q9 set was unfortunately out on the main floor not in dark magnolia room..

Here are my impressions.

The q9f hands down has the best overall picture I have seen far exceeding anything to date including Oleds.. There was nothing else even close on the floor including sony, Oled, 2017Q9. And in comparison the, middle grade TV's looked like washed out 1990's first gen hot garbage.. It was a stunning difference.
Especially In terms of micro and macro contrast, colour volume/saturation, Panel clarity (that 3d thre is no screen look)..

The q9f has a massive deep "wet" saturated high gamut color volume that was stunning. But it was the new anti glare screen that took that gamut to the next level and unlocked it's potential by giving the picture a true "through the screen" depth that only OLED had before. I can not overemphasis how important Samsung's New anti glare screen is for bringing the picture to living 3d through the window life. Nothing else comes close.

I looked for blooming and saw none. Pure White next to pure black produced no noticeable bloom which really IMO makes the q9f the first to have a true OLED look to the picture. Blacks where OLED like jet blacks as best I could tell (being out on the main floor).

I watched a withcher3 gameplay video recorded at night scene to look at shadow detail and look for DSE on dark scenes.. I am happy to report I could see NO DSE on dark panning scenery.. I am very sensitive to DSE so if it was there I believe I would have seen it.

Running on pure white or near pure white, there is however some "White" Dse on the q9F. I didn't see any of the white clouding in actual bright scenes, clouds, ets. however I plan to make some videos to further investigate this this as I think it could be the ONE weakness of the q9f. I will have to go back and explore if this is an issue. They did have some snow and cloud scenes in the demo reel and I didn't see this white dse show up on it.. so it may only be noticible on a pure white screen.. This white DSE is comming from the zones.. again, I did NOT see any dark scene DSE or 5% grey DSE which is probably more important.

One BIG surprise upon seeing the q9F in person that NO picture can capture.. To my eyes, the q9f had incredibly good Pixel response- meaning no motion trailing, blurring, smearing etc.. I am not talking about the motion handling/processing- I am talking specifically about the pixel response.. The q9f very much had an OLED look to ito the "lack" of pixel blur motion (it was that good). I know this has not been quantified yet but I could clearly see a huge difference between the q9f an other LED TVs.. This was big pleasant surprise for me as I can see this will make for an amazing Gamming and sports TV. The "temporal resolution" you can get with crisp pixel response is a Huge added bonus to this years model. It was better then any LCD I have seen to date (subjectively).

The q9f is now in BB retail stores display models. The picture is something you have to see in person. No words or pictures will do it justice you really have to see it to believe it. It was much better then I expected even regarding the high praise some have given it..

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I just spent an hour at Best Buy with the 2018 q9 65". I watched their demo reel and then viewed content on a thumb drive I brought that had things like 5% 50% grey.. recorded Witcher3 4k gameplay, photos, etc..
The BB q9 set was unfortunately out on the main floor not in dark magnolia room..

Here are my impressions.

The q9f hands down has the best overall picture I have seen far exceeding anything to date including Oleds.. There was nothing else even close on the floor including sony, Oled, 2017Q9. And in comparison the, middle grade TV's looked like washed out 1990's first gen hot garbage.. It was a stunning difference.
Especially In terms of micro and macro contrast, colour volume/saturation, Panel clarity (that 3d thre is no screen look)..

The q9f has a massive deep "wet" saturated high gamut color volume that was stunning. But it was the new anti glare screen that took that gamut to the next level and unlocked it's potential by giving the picture a true "through the screen" depth that only OLED had before. I can not overemphasis how important Samsung's New anti glare screen is for bringing the picture to living 3d through the window life. Nothing else comes close.

I looked for blooming and saw none. Pure White next to pure black produced no noticeable bloom which really IMO makes the q9f the first to have a true OLED look to the picture. Blacks where OLED like jet blacks as best I could tell (being out on the main floor).

I watched a withcher3 gameplay video recorded at night scene to look at shadow detail and look for DSE on dark scenes.. I am happy to report I could see NO DSE on dark panning scenery.. I am very sensitive to DSE so if it was there I believe I would have seen it.

Running on pure white or near pure white, there is however some "White" Dse on the q9F. I didn't see any of the white clouding in actual bright scenes, clouds, ets. however I plan to make some videos to further investigate this this as I think it could be the ONE weakness of the q9f. I will have to go back and explore if this is an issue. They did have some snow and cloud scenes in the demo reel and I didn't see this white dse show up on it.. so it may only be noticible on a pure white screen.. This white DSE is comming from the zones.. again, I did NOT see any dark scene DSE or 5% grey DSE which is probably more important.

One BIG surprise upon seeing the q9F in person that NO picture can capture.. To my eyes, the q9f had incredibly good Pixel response- meaning no motion trailing, blurring, smearing etc.. I am not talking about the motion handling/processing- I am talking specifically about the pixel response.. The q9f very much had an OLED look to ito the "lack" of pixel blur motion (it was that good). I know this has not been quantified yet but I could clearly see a huge difference between the q9f an other LED TVs.. This was big pleasant surprise for me as I can see this will make for an amazing Gamming and sports TV. The "temporal resolution" you can get with crisp pixel response is a Huge added bonus to this years model. It was better then any LCD I have seen to date (subjectively).

The q9f is now in BB retail stores display models. The picture is something you have to see in person. No words or pictures will do it justice you really have to see it to believe it. It was much better then I expected even regarding the high praise some have given it..
Thanks for this thorough and detailed review! By any chance, did you get a chance to demo letterbox bars, and if so, how did they fare with HDR? Thanks!!
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No, I did not get a chance to demo the letterbox bars. Unfortunately my BB has thier q8, q9 out on the main floor in the regular store light. So I can not see how the q9 does in night-time viewing. However they did have a 2017 q9 right next to it and even though both where in the regular store lights I could see a dramatic difference in black levels with the new q9 being significantly better.
I also watched the Q8 which was also on display. The q8 was just a tad less bright on the specular highlights then q9. However, even the q8 IMO just blew everything else out of the water including the Oled... Wasn't even a close call. The q8,q9 could easily hold thier own against Oled's down in the very dark scenes and simply blow the oleds away once you into brighter even mid bright scenes. The color gamut/volume of the new q-leds is insanely good.
The new Q-led's have a very rich tonality to the colors that can not be overstated.. Colors looked "INKY SOLID"... like Oled Solid, Like Kuro Plasma solid but even better. Like wet lipstick solid... Difficult to describe, but once you see it in person, you will understand. The tonality resolution, and color gamut just adds so much more depth and information to the image.. everything else on the floor honestly just looked like dim wax paper in comparison.



I hope someone else here can weigh in on their impressions of the Pixel response- clarity/sharpness of pixels in motion. To my eyes it was dramatic and looked much more like a plasma or oled fast pixel response then any LCD I have seen in the past. As a hardcore gamer, this is really a big deal to me...

Having now seen the 2018 Q-led... it is not a question of "if" but when I will buy. I'll probably wait for the mid summer price reduction.

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There is no soundbar, I'll get measurements on the one connect box, which is larger and heavier this year because it contains the power supply.
Still waiting on the dimensions for the Q9FN One Connect box! We're going to try to install that in the wall, which worked with the older box size. Would like to know the new size!
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No, I did not get a chance to demo the letterbox bars. Unfortunately my BB has thier q8, q9 out on the main floor in the regular store light. So I can not see how the q9 does in night-time viewing. However they did have a 2017 q9 right next to it and even though both where in the regular store lights I could see a dramatic difference in black levels with the new q9 being significantly better.
I also watched the Q8 which was also on display. The q8 was just a tad less bright on the specular highlights then q9. However, even the q8 IMO just blew everything else out of the water including the Oled... Wasn't even a close call. The q8,q9 could easily hold thier own against Oled's down in the very dark scenes and simply blow the oleds away once you into brighter even mid bright scenes. The color gamut/volume of the new q-leds is insanely good.
The new Q-led's have a very rich tonality to the colors that can not be overstated.. Colors looked "INKY SOLID"... like Oled Solid, Like Kuro Plasma solid but even better. Like wet lipstick solid... Difficult to describe, but once you see it in person, you will understand. The tonality resolution, and color gamut just adds so much more depth and information to the image.. everything else on the floor honestly just looked like dim wax paper in comparison.



I hope someone else here can weigh in on their impressions of the Pixel response- clarity/sharpness of pixels in motion. To my eyes it was dramatic and looked much more like a plasma or oled fast pixel response then any LCD I have seen in the past. As a hardcore gamer, this is really a big deal to me...

Having now seen the 2018 Q-led... it is not a question of "if" but when I will buy. I'll probably wait for the mid summer price reduction.

I had the same exact impressions viewing both the q8 and 9 at bestbuy today. Incredible clarity and colors... even my 8 year old son thought it was a huge difference from the other sets viewed. Of course the wife " couldn't notice a difference". My problem is I need a 75 inch minimum for my huge wall in the basement and I'm not willing to pay samsung prices at the moment. I'll wait and see if there are significant price breaks. If not, I will seek an alternative route.
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Still waiting on the dimensions for the Q9FN One Connect box! We're going to try to install that in the wall, which worked with the older box size. Would like to know the new size!
Measured just now, 15.5'' x 5.1'' x 3''

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Update on when we can expect the review @imagic ? No rush, just askin, thxs.

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Cool, I'll put the first link in as a reply to this comment: https://www.avsforum.com/review-2018-...led-4k-hdr-tv/


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OK, folks expecting me to be a mini rtings are not gonna love this review. But here's the deal, rtings is gonna do their thing, so I'm not doing those kinds of tests anymore. Just putting that out there.

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Still waiting on the dimensions for the Q9FN One Connect box! We're going to try to install that in the wall, which worked with the older box size. Would like to know the new size!
The dimensions are: 2.6" (H) x 15.3" (W) x 5.1" (D).

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Hey @imagic , you mentioned "This TV recognizes speech", is that through the remote only? Thxs

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Correct, and only when you push the button. There is no microphone in the TV itself and you do have to activate it.

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Hey @imagic , you mentioned "This TV recognizes speech", is that through the remote only? Thxs

Bixby on the TV and on a Samsung phone with Bixby. I just watched a video demo today on this. It can done all via voice through your phone. For example "hey Bixby, turn on the TV". Your phone will turn the TV on. I'm sure you can more as well.




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It'd be great to see a family squabble shouting at Bixby over what they want to watch ...
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