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Another question for Mark and Dnice, is about the widescreen bars. Do they actually stay black 100% of the time including when there's a very bright scene as the other members have pointed out? Samsung supposedly implemented a vizio type style feature similar to their old cinema black feature to keep the bars black and prevent leakage into the bars.
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^^^ this is number 1 for me. The only thing that drives me crazy about my 940E. I hate the light bleeding into the bars on all hdr movies. Doesn’t do it for SDR stuff just hdr for both streaming and discs....
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Me as well. Watching movies in my bedroom is actually in some ways superior to my main theater.

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Another question for Mark and Dnice, is about the widescreen bars. Do they actually stay black 100% of the time including when there's a very bright scene as the other members have pointed out? Samsung supposedly implemented a vizio type style feature similar to their old cinema black feature to keep the bars black and prevent leakage into the bars.
Yes, hugely important. If the bars are 100% black, I may take the plunge on this one, as the WAF factor with the One Connect Cable could be a tipping point. If there's bleeding, I may wait another year.

And FWIW, I have a VT-50 (D-Nice calibrated), and an LG soundbar with sub, and have never found myself wishing I had better sound. I have powerful stereo speakers but the other WAF factor (Wife Annoyance Factor) will skyrocket if I add another confusing button, switch, or menu item to our TV setup, so I keep them separate.

Perhaps it's because it's so much easier to experience a better picture in a showroom than better sound, people don't prioritize it. Also, if you have kids, you watch at night with the volume way down anyway. So sound is sometimes important, but the picture is ALWAYS important.
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As someone who sold TVs...the answer is a big fat no. We're in our own little bubble here on AVS. You'd be surprised how many people:

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-say "they're not into all that stuff" or "it's a small room so I don't really need it" as they pay for a massive 75" display

I really don't understand it. People were entirely willing to pay big bucks for a high-end TV and then didn't see any extra value in sound. Or if they did, a lot of them would pair their nice TV with a chintzy $200 soundbar. Better than nothing I guess
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Most people mount their tv's over the fireplace or so high up that you need to crane your neck to watch. Why worry about sound? I agree with another commenter though, I'd rather minimize the electronics I have in the viewing room. Preferrably with in wall (or in ceiling) speakers and everything else hidden away in a closet.
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According to another member on a different forum, Rtings told them they've already purchased the Q9. Should have a review from them within a couple/few weeks.
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Well despite all the shade the owners thread was throwing on this tv. Turns out the Q9 is raising the LED TV performance bar. That photo with those two tv's reflecting on one another was really telling. Excited to see what else the pros have to say. I watch most of my TV during the day and have long wanted to have the blinds open and enjoy a great film. The 2018 QLED range is looking to be a great pick.
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Joining this thread. My Q8FN will be in later this week or beginning of next.

So, what's the REAL difference between the 8 and the 9? I know that Samsung's marketing speak says this:

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Q HDR Elite

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Q HDR EliteMax

I know the form factor is different as well as the One Invisible Connection missing on the 8.

But, what does that really mean in terms of hardware? Will the 9 really produce a much better picture than the 8?

I have a Panasonic VT30 that D-nice calibrated, but I fear it's met it's half-life as it's really too dark to watch during the day. I had to switch from ISF Calibration mode to THX mode just to get the brightness I need to see dark scenes. I think it's time for the Q8F.

Finally, what's the best UHD BD player to match with the Q8F? Should I stick with the Samsung UBD-M9500 knowing that it will get a firmware update that will support HDR10+ or should I go with the Panasonic that will support both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision (for future proofing) even though the Q8F will only ever support HDR10+? Decisions decisions!!!

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As someone who sold TVs...the answer is a big fat no. We're in our own little bubble here on AVS. You'd be surprised how many people:

-don't even consider sound
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I really don't understand it. People were entirely willing to pay big bucks for a high-end TV and then didn't see any extra value in sound. Or if they did, a lot of them would pair their nice TV with a chintzy $200 soundbar. Better than nothing I guess
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As someone who used to sell TV's right before high end CRT TV's were replaced by flat screens I can tell you that most people who went for the big tubes were ready to make the commitment in the sound department and the space needed. When flat screens caught on, the "because it's flat" buyers surged in along with a higher level of ignorance.
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As someone who used to sell TV's right before high end CRT TV's were replaced by flat screens I can tell you that most people who went for the big tubes were ready to make the commitment in the sound department and the space needed. When flat screens caught on, the "because it's flat" buyers surged in along with a higher level of ignorance.
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If I could have sold a 40 inch Mitsubishi direct view TV to everybody who wanted one..., I have never seen one TV create such a human log jam when it was on. I never felt the call myself, I was trying to swing a Pioneer Elite projection and scrunch it into a small space.

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^^^ this is number 1 for me. The only thing that drives me crazy about my 940E. I hate the light bleeding into the bars on all hdr movies. Doesn’t do it for SDR stuff just hdr for both streaming and discs....
I'm with you on that. Borrowing a 75" 900E my parents got for their new family room remodel while it is being completed and the aspect ratio bars during hdr content annoy me. I need to measure what native black is with the brightness maxed out like it is for hdr. Seems like it is IPS level black and is very distracting.

If I were to go for another lcd instead of jumping to oled like I plan to then it'd have to be one where those bars are going to stay dark during hdr movies. My current set is a 65" Panny CX850 with fald and the bars aren't as annoying with hdr, probably mainly because the set isn't close to the same brightness as the 900E. I'm pretty sure the Panny has a bit better native black level than this 900E (I need to measure it on the 900E) so that also helps.
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Joining this thread. My Q8FN will be in later this week or beginning of next.

So, what's the REAL difference between the 8 and the 9? I know that Samsung's marketing speak says this:

8:
Q Contrast Elite
Q HDR Elite

9:
Q Contrast EliteMax
Q HDR EliteMax

I know the form factor is different as well as the One Invisible Connection missing on the 8.

But, what does that really mean in terms of hardware? Will the 9 really produce a much better picture than the 8?

We don't know much. But the Q9 looks to have a confirmed 480 dimming zones. The Q8, we only have 1 unconfirmed report of only 75 dimming zones. Need another 1 or 2 owners to recheck.
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As someone who used to sell TV's right before high end CRT TV's were replaced by flat screens I can tell you that most people who went for the big tubes were ready to make the commitment in the sound department and the space needed. When flat screens caught on, the "because it's flat" buyers surged in along with a higher level of ignorance. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/IMG]
I did love my 300 lb. 34" Sony Trinitron HDTV [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
I actually still have mine, which shows you how much I loved it. Still has an outstanding picture quality. I also have a Panasonic VT60.

I'm looking to join the 4k HDR party now though.
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AVS members are in the minority. The normal TV buyer expects the sound in the TV to be adequate, especially when forking over $4K. It's amazing how horrible the built-in speakers are in these giant pricey TVs. Sites like this could help but they go along and suggest that you spend another $2K on a sound system after dumping that $4K on the TV.
One could argue that $2k on audio would be a much better investment than spending $4k on a TV, considering the rate and pace of obsolescence on a high-end TV vs. a pair of nice speakers. I've had the same set of speakers in my surround setup for over six years and they still sound just as good as the day I bought them. I've had three TVs in the same system within the same timeframe -- video technology moves way faster.

Don't mean to derail the thread.. @imagic is the 2018 One Connect cable in-wall rated? If so, that would be pretty awesome and would actually make a ton of sense and add lots of flexibility for wall mounting. If it transmits picture, sound, and power to the TV (like the serial cable provide with the the LG W7) AND is okay to put inside of a wall, that would finally bring some real purpose to the OCB.

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If I could have sold at 40 inch Mitsubishi direct view TV to everybody who wanted one..., I have never seen one TV create such a human log jam when it was on. I never felt the call myself, I was trying to swing a Pioneer Elite projection and scrunch it into a small space.
Good ol RPTV. The first TV I ever bought was a Pio Elite RPTV, the Pro-510HD. That thing was a beauty and I bought it in late 2000 a little over a year before I got my own house and it was originally jammed into a basement (thankfully I didn't have to move it down there or back up when I moved) and then it went with me to my next two homes though it stayed on the main floor in both of those.

I laugh when I think about how huge and heavy that was and how you can get a 65" tv now that weighs 40-50 pounds.
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One could argue that $2k on audio would be a much better investment than spending $4k on a TV, considering the rate and pace of obsolescence on a high-end TV vs. a pair of nice speakers. I've had the same set of speakers in my surround setup for over six years and they still sound just as good as the day I bought them. I've had three TVs in the same system within the same timeframe -- video technology moves way faster.
Do you still use the same AV receiver, though? What with the constant new HDR formats, surround formats, HDCP, eARC, and so on, they seem to get obsolete at least as fast as the TVs - the depreciation is pretty wild. The man's gonna get you one way or another...
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Well doesn't sound like as many zones as the Sony z9d

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What ja with the Gamemode? I read about a game motion flow... and can be used für QEngine (samsungs activ hdr version) in game mode too?
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I can't believe this will retail at more than oled lol gl samsung
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I can't believe this will retail at more than oled lol gl samsung
If u want something that does both really good blacks and awesome brightness you have to pay a little extra )
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Do you still use the same AV receiver, though? What with the constant new HDR formats, surround formats, HDCP, eARC, and so on, they seem to get obsolete at least as fast as the TVs - the depreciation is pretty wild. The man's gonna get you one way or another...
Nope. I bought a new AVR around the same time I bought my speakers (Marantz SR5006) that served me very well for almost five years. Obviously AVRs follow the same technology path as TVs as they have to keep up with I/O and formats on new displays. I replaced it in 2016 with my current AVR (Sony ZA5000ES) in anticipation of getting a new 4K/HDR display. Luckily it's been updated to support Dolby Vision, along with my TV. It won't get eARC. but I don't foresee using it as 1) My TV doesn't support it and 2) I run everything through the receiver and rarely use the internal apps, and prefer not to deal with any of the headaches ARC introduces. But yes, they'll getcha, unless you get a modular AVR like NAD's lineup. I'll probably go separates next go-round. That way I can get an "adequate" pre for my needs along with some dumb muscle I'll never need to replace.
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Another question for Mark and Dnice, is about the widescreen bars. Do they actually stay black 100% of the time including when there's a very bright scene as the other members have pointed out? Samsung supposedly implemented a vizio type style feature similar to their old cinema black feature to keep the bars black and prevent leakage into the bars.
I can answer that, they do stay perfectly black. Looks like they are turning off those sections when watching widescreen. Now this could be a setting I have chosen but I think it seems to be default.

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Q9 looks pretty damn good so far, I am incredibly excited to read rtings measurements and findings soon
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I laugh when I think about how huge and heavy that was and how you can get a 65" tv now that weighs 40-50 pounds.
I remember when my mother told me that my father had gotten a new TV, he went from a 27 inch Sony XBR to a 60 inch Sony rear projection, she always said it was too big. How they got down the stairs and into the family room ???
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I can answer that, they do stay perfectly black. Looks like they are turning off those sections when watching widescreen. Now this could be a setting I have chosen but I think it seems to be default.
In a darkened room?

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In a darkened room?
Thanks to the spring blizzard it'll be dark all day and I'm going to be stuck inside later on. I'll check out the stability of the letterbox bars, among other things.
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At present I have a 65"Panasonic 902 and now looking to go for a 75"screen
I have no interest in gaming but the upscaling performance and playback of 4K Blu-ray are major priorities.When you can completed your evaluation I will be interested of your opinion on this set against the Sony ZD9.Although I enjoy 3D I am quite prepared to sacrifice this if the Samsung has noticeable improvements in the key areas that are important to myself over the ZD9
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