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post #9181 of 11208 Old 04-16-2019, 12:54 PM
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The pics I uploaded above are stills from one of the videos I have made. OA on Netflix. Shot with my S9 on auto mode. On cable TV, HD channels, the subtitle blooming is not so strong. The most relevant video for black crushing and subtitle blooming I made is filmed with Panasonic HC-X920, camera on tripod. First I reset all the picture settings to default then pass through all picture modes (Standard, Dynamic, Natural, Movie). Then I change the picture settings to rtings settings (I got the best PQ results with this settings) and pass again through all picture modes again. TV runs on Netflix, mainly, and cable HD. The resulting video is 9 Gb and I can not manage to send it by mail. After I uploaded it to youtube I got a copyright claim for content from CBS-CID. But I manage to upload the shorter ones, filmed with S9 on auto mode.





None of your picture is from a HDR source. Try some Netflix or amazon prime HDR with subtitles.





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While all setting are subjective. Just got my Q9 yesterday. Looking for some setting to play with. Had the KS8500. Q9 is much brighter. Love it so far. Also it seems people love the brightness on this TV. Than on the settings I have found everybody turns that down? Watch mostly Dish and 4k DVD's. Netflix, Apple TV. Any suggestions would be great.
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Nope. Set to Natural and all settings default. Has looked great for month.
Saying Natural with default settings is good for you is one thing, recommending it to others kind of goes against what these forums were create for. The S in AVS stands for Sciences, there’s reasons people use Movie Mode and turn off Digital Clean View, etc. and these reasons are highly tested and have evidence to back them up.

@budda109 there are plenty of resources you can look up for finding the proper settings for this TV, as a baseline I’d use rtings.com recommendations and for the future I’d highly recommend getting the TV calibrated from a reputable local (not GeekSquad).

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The pics I uploaded above are stills from one of the videos I have made. OA on Netflix. Shot with my S9 on auto mode. On cable TV, HD channels, the subtitle blooming is not so strong. The most relevant video for black crushing and subtitle blooming I made is filmed with Panasonic HC-X920, camera on tripod. First I reset all the picture settings to default then pass through all picture modes (Standard, Dynamic, Natural, Movie). Then I change the picture settings to rtings settings (I got the best PQ results with this settings) and pass again through all picture modes again. TV runs on Netflix, mainly, and cable HD. The resulting video is 9 Gb and I can not manage to send it by mail. After I uploaded it to youtube I got a copyright claim for content from CBS-CID. But I manage to upload the shorter ones, filmed with S9 on auto mode.

https://youtu.be/FDM3cDLkCrU

https://youtu.be/FpWGJNx7dGY

https://youtu.be/oiqFoNJuBkA


None of your picture is from a HDR source. Try some Netflix or amazon prime HDR with subtitles.

So you...uhh...you liking the update?
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So you...uhh...you liking the update?
I never got to update it. From my previous experience I keep the auto update off, and do it manually after some time and reviews.

I check now and see that I have filmed with S9 on auto mode, 16/9, 1920x1080, HDR on.





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None of your picture is from a HDR source. Try some Netflix or amazon prime HDR with subtitles.
Of course they are, 4K HDR bluray 80mb/s bitrate with madvr seems a bit better source than your Netflix or Prime video (15mb/s bitrate) advice

But I also watch these streams and have none of your blooming issue : I never had. That's just a defective panel / fake eastern samsung tv
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Saying Natural with default settings is good for you is one thing, recommending it to others kind of goes against what these forums were create for. The S in AVS stands for Sciences, there’s reasons people use Movie Mode and turn off Digital Clean View, etc. and these reasons are highly tested and have evidence to back them up.

@budda109 there are plenty of resources you can look up for finding the proper settings for this TV, as a baseline I’d use rtings.com recommendations and for the future I’d highly recommend getting the TV calibrated from a reputable local (not GeekSquad).
Sorry, standing by that and future comments to that effect. Feel free to scan/skip/ignore/report my opinions.
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Of course they are, 4K HDR bluray 80mb/s bitrate with madvr seems a bit better source than your Netflix or Prime video (15mb/s bitrate) advice

But I also watch these streams and have none of your blooming issue : I never had. That's just a defective panel / fake eastern samsung tv
Yes, it could be. As I mentioned the panel was AUO, version 01. TV made in Slovakia.





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Yes, it could be. As I mentioned the panel was AUO, version 01. TV made in Slovakia.
Can you tell me the OA episode and timeframe which looked so bad with subs in your sample here :

I will try the exact same scene, so we can see if it's really different on my setup or if it's a Netflix/Q9F issue
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But keep in mind that the 15mb/s bitrate 4K HDR series you are watching on Netflix are really poor and bad TV benchmarks.
The movies I watched 10 years ago were also 15mb/s bitrate, but they were 1080p SDR

Good 4K HDR stuff are 50+mb/s bitrate
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can you tell me the oa episode and timeframe which looked so bad with subs in your sample here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdm3...ature=youtu.be

i will try the exact same scene, so we can see if it's really different on my setup or if it's a netflix/q9f issue
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Hey, I just got a Q9FN about a week and a half ago and I am having a frustrating issue. My set will not display external HDMI inputs. Attached is a picture of what shows on the screen. It will detect the input correctly as a PS4, Xbox, Computer, etc., and will even switch to game mode when it detects the consoles. However, all it shows is what is in the picture. I have contacted samsung about it and they sent me a new one connect cable. That came in today and it still shows the same. I have also tried a brand new non-polarized power cable rated the same as the included samsung one, and swapped HDMI cables. Still nothing from HDMI but built in apps, and audio though TOSLINK work beautifully. Any ideas? My next step otherwise will be to contact Samsung back for a new OCB.
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But keep in mind that the 15mb/s bitrate 4K HDR series you are watching on Netflix are really poor and bad TV benchmarks.
The movies I watched 10 years ago were also 15mb/s bitrate, but they were 1080p SDR

Good 4K HDR stuff are 50+mb/s bitrate
Yes, no problem here
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Yes, no problem here
Yeah I also have cable, but your 650mb/s network bandwidth doesn't improve the 15mb/s Netflix series bitrate. Just hit the info button while watching Netflix and you will see the bitrate.

But I tested your show and managed to get some bad screenshots: they have nothing to do with blooming, it's just that the subs white nits level is so high in Netflix HDR thats it creates a lens fllare (it's an optical aberration) on your phone camera.


- Look at my screen 01: my left TV has no signal and is actually black but it looks blue because of the subs which are so bright that they look blooming on picture, but in real life they are just very bright and all around is dark.

- screen 02: I've put my philips bulbs white at max level on right and the subs are actually as bright as my bulb which is crazy, because this TV has a really high nits capacity: what is wrong is Netflix putting subs at max nits. Once again on my previous 4K bluray movies, subs are just low nits white. And it doesn't make bloom in real life, only on the picture, cause of optical aberration due to high nits white subs

- screen 03: had to lower light at max on my phone camera to actually see the real non blooming of the white to the screen

- screen 04: if you don't trust me on optical aberration, look at the black screen behind my white lamp

- screen 05: now look at the huge blooming of my bulb in the black screen : in real life the screen looks still black but on the picture it looks washed. Do you really think my bulb bloomed on my tv panel ?
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You must understand there is a huge difference between real life blooming: a light is so bright it creates a lens flare whiwh is great on new TV

and the LCD blooming where a bright pixel enlight it's neighbour which reduce contrast and is bad

In this TV it's the 1st case on pictures, in real life the panel stay black
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Nope. Set to Natural and all settings default. Has looked great for month.

Tried that removed motion control hate the soap opera effect. Stunning!
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Sorry, standing by that and future comments to that effect. Feel free to scan/skip/ignore/report my opinions.
Lol! I’m not going to report you for having a difference in opinion. Your opinion is wrong, baseless, and has no factual information in it, and I’m going to point that out when you give that advice to newbies. Again, you like what you like and that’s fine for you, and clearly the way you dug in your heels shows you don’t actually want to have an intellectual discussion about what each setting does.

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If it is so why is there so many complaints about subtitles?
Only thing I can think of is defective panels or defective local dimming.

I've tried several shows and was surprised that subtitles showed up perfectly with no visible blooming around them. I saw those YouTube videos of the issue so I was expecting to see that, but nothing. Really happy to not have that issue.

I also don't have the issue of broken game mode local dimming. Games with dark scenes/environments like 'Bioshock' looked great.

I think both things are related: no broken local dimming in game mode / no broken local dimming with subtitles.

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You must understand there is a huge difference between real life blooming: a light is so bright it creates a lens flare whiwh is great on new TV

and the LCD blooming where a bright pixel enlight it's neighbour which reduce contrast and is bad

In this TV it's the 1st case on pictures, in real life the panel stay black
True. Maybe when I filmed the video was too dark in the room. Maybe the lens of the phone was a little bit foggy from the fingerprint unlocking. And from here an exaggerated effect on video. But when you look at the screen the crushing blacks and subtitle blooming are there. Is like a punch in the eye every time subtitle light up. It is a clear difference between your panel and the one I have had.





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Only thing I can think of is defective panels or defective local dimming.

I've tried several shows and was surprised that subtitles showed up perfectly with no visible blooming around them. I saw those YouTube videos of the issue so I was expecting to see that, but nothing. Really happy to not have that issue.

I also don't have the issue of broken game mode local dimming. Games with dark scenes/environments like 'Bioshock' looked great.

I think both things are related: no broken local dimming in game mode / no broken local dimming with subtitles.

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Wait...so its not normal the screen brights up when there are subtitles?


Mine has been doing that ever since i got it 5 months ago.


Maybe I should get it repaired then
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Netflix subs sucks ass. On Kodi you can have them small and grey and they dont light up the screen, on Netflix it lights up even tho you use black/black subs so the algorithm sucks.

However you can trim the Netflix subtitles, it doesnt take care of the issue but it makes it a little better. You can make them kinda grey.


You also have to lower the contrast on HDR to 45 wich also helps the wrong EOTF (Tips from Vincent who I think says 42 or 43 but I find 45 works in my room and viewin conditions, its still plenty bright) but makes a huge impact on subs.

Also "semi transparent" on the black.


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Tried that removed motion control hate the soap opera effect. Stunning!
Yes Natural and default settings looks great over all sources. Great common denominator. Credit to Samsung engineers.
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Panel version №: 04. What does it mean? Is it AUO or Samsung panel?
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Panel version №: 04. What does it mean? Is it AUO or Samsung panel?
See previous posts like https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post56376558
and pages before it.

AA01 or 01 is AUO, FA02 or 02 and greater are Samsung. At least this is what I gather from reading all this forum topic.





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That’s not what I said:
1: Turn HDR+ off
2: set picture mode to either Movie or Standard
3: set color space to Auto
Thank you very much

1. Why is black depth direction always turned off ???

2. Why can not I delete video files from USB through the screen ?
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See previous posts like https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post56376558
and pages before it.

AA01 or 01 is AUO, FA02 or 02 and greater are Samsung. At least this is what I gather from reading all this forum topic.
The Euro number versions don't necessarily translate to the US/Korean 4 digit versions in any way. I don't think anyone has figured out what the number versions mean as far as panel manufacturer.
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This is my first post in this forum and this week I should get my new 65" q9fn


After reading a lot in this forum, I think I understood a lot about this TV but one thing worries me: I read that someone said that it is practically impossible to clean the panel without damaging the anti-reflection coating.

Is it true that a wet cloth with any liquid, even distilled water, is enough to stain it permanently?

To remove dust just a dry cloth, but sometimes you need to use something wet ...
Best to not touch it and get oils on it that way you can just dust it. However, if you have to clean it use a cloth ( lint free or micro fiber cloth ) with distilled water is fine.
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Just started my meter calibration journey - disappointed at the out-of-the-box CMS readings - they suck :

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Looks like the Q90 review on rtings..... Faired a little better and a little worse in some areas. Seems like some of the changes made could be passed down to our sets via firmware.
Motion got a better score. Seems it flickers at 960 hz instead of the 4 something if ours.... I'm guessing that can be changed????

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Looks like the Q90 review on rtings..... Faired a little better and a little worse in some areas. Seems like some of the changes made could be passed down to our sets via firmware.
Motion got a better score. Seems it flickers at 960 hz instead of the 4 something if ours.... I'm guessing that can be changed????

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Like I said a few days ago, anyone who has a Q9fn now and is happy, zero reason to upgrade. However if you want that extra detail in the blacks, a bit better motion on lower quality sources, better viewing angles, better gray uniformity, less DSE, then the Q90 is a bit better. To me the things they rated higher on the Q9fn like color space or contrast ratio are mostly negligeable to the average eye due to either diminishing returns in the case of the latter or very minor differences in the case of the former. Both are great sets.
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