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So after updating to 1260 and re-enabling VRR on my X1X, I've already had the TV reboot once on me. Bummed that 1260 doesn't appear to fix whatever is going on, so I'm back to disabling VRR on the Xbox to see if its related in anyway.
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So after updating to 1260 and re-enabling VRR on my X1X, I've already had the TV reboot once on me. Bummed that 1260 doesn't appear to fix whatever is going on, so I'm back to disabling VRR on the Xbox to see if its related in anyway.
Keep us posted.
I've just updated to 1260 and I'll keep VRR enabled on X1X. I'm not a huge gamer but I'll report back here if I find any unusual things such as random reboots you mentioned.
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So after updating to 1260 and re-enabling VRR on my X1X, I've already had the TV reboot once on me. Bummed that 1260 doesn't appear to fix whatever is going on, so I'm back to disabling VRR on the Xbox to see if its related in anyway.

I registered to post this message :P. Hello from Europe. The 1260 update is not yet available here, but after running the update before that I had this same reboot issue with my Xbox X, don't know if it would have happened with my other consoles, probably. I started to browse out my settings and my eco settings had been partially enabled although I had disabled all of them except 'auto power off'. After I disabled them again I have not run into this issue again. Hope this helps.
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So after updating to 1260 and re-enabling VRR on my X1X, I've already had the TV reboot once on me. Bummed that 1260 doesn't appear to fix whatever is going on, so I'm back to disabling VRR on the Xbox to see if its related in anyway.
I believe 1260 was just a quick fix that had something to do with the bluetooth issues some people were having with their remotes. My remote would completely stop responding and the only button that worked was the power button (only button that sent infrared signal). I think the issue was random and only effected some owners. I always turn my tv on via Alexa/Google Home, and that may have had something to do with the problem where the bluetooth wouldn't wake from sleep when tv was turned on that way but that's just a guess.. I do have an X1X but don't play games enough to run into any issues with it..
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Just tried out HDR last night - season 5 episode 1 of Black Mirror... Unbelievable. The fighting sequences are just so vibrant and crystal clear. The TV gets incredibly bright, it's like you really are staring at the sun.

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Any problems with VRR on 1260?



I notice VRR is quite unusable on the 55Q8DN with PC/win 10 with earlier firmware. Either the problem is "display info" is wrong(causes issues), black-screens(games, 48-50hz don't work) or desktop is choppy with VRR enabled.

Basically I can't use it at all but a few occasions when it feels like working and it's not recommended to have VRR/freesync enabled at all.


Basically it causes issues all over the place to enable it. There are bugs/effects elsewhere unless you first turn it off where you use it, don't go changing picture mode/resolution with it enabled in one mode and not in another. You'll get artefacts showing in like 23/24p movie mode when you do.
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I just spent the evening messing about with my Xbox (playing some games in HDR, no SDR yet) on the Q90. While I am not making a final judgement about the overall quality of the TV based on just a few hours of uncalibrated usage, I can already confidently say that the so called improved game mode on the Q90 is much ado about nothing, at least where those of us with the 75" Q9 are concerned.



So rest easy 75" Q9 gamers. You really aren't missing out on much of anything. The differences are negligible at best.
That's good to hear. I find gaming on my Q9 damn good

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Keep us posted.
I've just updated to 1260 and I'll keep VRR enabled on X1X. I'm not a huge gamer but I'll report back here if I find any unusual things such as random reboots you mentioned.
An update I’d like to share.
I’ve had long Destiny 2 sessions with my kids (thanks to national holiday here) over the last two days. (3 hours + 3 hours).
I haven’t seen any random reboots on the Q9FN.
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An update I’d like to share.
I’ve had long Destiny 2 sessions with my kids (thanks to national holiday here) over the last two days. (3 hours + 3 hours).
I haven’t seen any random reboots on the Q9FN.
Likewise! Started gears 4 again to get ready for gears 5. Just nothing but 4K HDR goodness!

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1260 update. Found this. Have read people asking what was in the update. Just an FYI.



Model : MU6000, MU7000, MU8000, MU9000, Q6, Q7, Q8, Q9, LS003 Series
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- Purpose . Improved usability . Improved browser performance . Improved app performance . Improved stability . Improved usability of input devices
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1260 update. Found this. Have read people asking what was in the update. Just an FYI.



Model : MU6000, MU7000, MU8000, MU9000, Q6, Q7, Q8, Q9, LS003 Series
- Version : 1260.6
- Purpose . Improved usability . Improved browser performance . Improved app performance . Improved stability . Improved usability of input devices
That's pretty much the generic info they release with every update

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That's pretty much the generic info they release with every update

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Not pretty much.... It is.... It's been the same exact comment for every firmware update. Why they hide what they are improving is beyond me.
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Not pretty much.... It is.... It's been the same exact comment for every firmware update. Why they hide what they are improving is beyond me.
That copy and paste process is so handy ...

In other news, I've been calibrating my 75Q9FN to an SDR white level of 200 nits, rather than the standard 100 nits. But for the unusual experience it might provide I just calibrated to 400 nits. Understand I used to calibrate my previous Sharp Elite to 30 nits to get the best possible blacks. But here I'm getting great better blacks at 400 . Sheesh! All I can say is I'm having a hard time stopping watching my Roku Ultra Virtual Fish Tank for which I paid one time $2 plus $1 for the additional fishies.

I mostly watch in totally dim ambient so it took a bit adapting to it, but whoa! It's calibrated so colors are in sync across the spectrum. And better shadow detail! While the blacks are great in this set the handling of the really low IREs (grayscale levels) is middling and can lead to some black crush even when calibrated (normally). I was hoping raising the relative low levels would help, and sure enough.

Yes, the Knights Who Say Nit will be appalled and horrified by this calibration, but I'm shocked to say I'm quite ecstatic! Must be that senility setting in ...

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That copy and paste process is so handy ...



In other news, I've been calibrating my 75Q9FN to an SDR white level of 200 nits, rather than the standard 100 nits. But for the unusual experience it might provide I just calibrated to 400 nits. Understand I used to calibrate my previous Sharp Elite to 30 nits to get the best possible blacks. But here I'm getting great better blacks at 400 . Sheesh! All I can say is I'm having a hard time stopping watching my Roku Ultra Virtual Fish Tank for which I paid one time $2 plus $1 for the additional fishies.



I mostly watch in totally dim ambient so it took a bit adapting to it, but whoa! It's calibrated so colors are in sync across the spectrum. And better shadow detail! While the blacks are great in this set the handling of the really low IREs (grayscale levels) is middling and can lead to some black crush even when calibrated (normally). I was hoping raising the relative low levels would help, and sure enough.



Yes, the Knights Who Say Nit will be appalled and horrified by this calibration, but I'm shocked to say I'm quite ecstatic! Must be that senility setting in ...
Mind sharing those settings

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I'll be putting them in the settings thread probably tonight. Want to do some watching before finalizing.

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Not pretty much.... It is.... It's been the same exact comment for every firmware update. Why they hide what they are improving is beyond me.
That copy and paste process is so handy ... [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

In other news, I've been calibrating my 75Q9FN to an SDR white level of 200 nits, rather than the standard 100 nits. But for the unusual experience it might provide I just calibrated to 400 nits. Understand I used to calibrate my previous Sharp Elite to 30 nits to get the best possible blacks. But here I'm getting great better blacks at 400 [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/IMG]. Sheesh! All I can say is I'm having a hard time stopping watching my Roku Ultra Virtual Fish Tank for which I paid one time $2 plus $1 for the additional fishies.

I mostly watch in totally dim ambient so it took a bit adapting to it, but whoa! It's calibrated so colors are in sync across the spectrum. And better shadow detail! While the blacks are great in this set the handling of the really low IREs (grayscale levels) is middling and can lead to some black crush even when calibrated (normally). I was hoping raising the relative low levels would help, and sure enough.

Yes, the Knights Who Say Nit will be appalled and horrified by this calibration, but I'm shocked to say I'm quite ecstatic! Must be that senility setting in ...
Mine's calibrated to 300 nits and I've been using it that way for the better part of a year.

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Since disabling VRR 3 days ago I haven't had anymore reboots. But I've also been playing mostly Destiny 2 (30fps, and outside VRR range), compared to earlier in the week when I was having reboots playing Overwatch (60fps and in the VRR range). So I'm going to enable VRR again and see if Destiny starts causing reboots to try and narrow it down further.
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Mine's calibrated to 300 nits and I've been using it that way for the better part of a year.

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Did you calibrate the 20-point? If so, what were the RGB values for IRE 7? It's always been a struggle for me.

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Did you calibrate the 20-point? If so, what were the RGB values for IRE 7? It's always been a struggle for me.

70 IRE? I'm not sure off the top of my head. I do remember that the value that has given me the biggest headaches across the board is blue. The struggle with blue on this set IS REAL.


TV is currently disconnected and in it's box while I am evaluating the Q90, but I'm pretty sure I have a written list of all my finalized values with the calibration report somewhere in my office. I will try to get this for you when I get home tonight or possibly tomorrow.

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70 IRE? I'm not sure off the top of my head. I do remember that the value that has given me the biggest headaches across the board is blue. The struggle with blue on this set IS REAL.


TV is currently disconnected and in it's box while I am evaluating the Q90, but I'm pretty sure I have a written list of all my finalized values with the calibration report somewhere in my office. I will try to get this for you when I get home tonight or possibly tomorrow.
Not 70 but 7, the lowest level. In the menu they labeled it 5 but 7 is the actual IRE level and what CalMAN shows when connected to the TV. No worries if it's a pain. Hope you enjoy the Q90!

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Not 70 but 7, the lowest level. In the menu they labeled it 5 but 7 is the actual IRE level and what CalMAN shows when connected to the TV. No worries if it's a pain. Hope you enjoy the Q90!

You know...I never knew it was mislabeled. My cal was done with Chromapure and I don't think I ever noticed this was a thing. Even still, I'm glad I asked for clarification or I would have given you some whackjob figures lol. I'll still track down the report and get you my numbers.



I haven't had a ton of time with the Q90 yet beyond some gaming at night. And it's good but not definitely better than the Q9. Overall so far...it's a little underwhelming given my usage scenario. I don't care about the enhanced viewing angles, which to Samsung's credit are significantly better. The new gaming "features" are essentially useless, and it's got some weird quirks that I wasn't expecting...like today I found out it's not a 30 x 16 full array grid like the other sizes, it's actually 40 x 12. I told Ray earlier that I will check out some movies tonight to see how this affects blooming with letterbox bars.

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You know...I never knew it was mislabeled. My cal was done with Chromapure and I don't think I ever noticed this was a thing. Even still, I'm glad I asked for clarification or I would have given you some whackjob figures lol. I'll still track down the report and get you my numbers.



I haven't had a ton of time with the Q90 yet beyond some gaming at night. And it's good but not definitely better than the Q9. Overall so far...it's a little underwhelming given my usage scenario. I don't care about the enhanced viewing angles, which to Samsung's credit are significantly better. The new gaming "features" are essentially useless, and it's got some weird quirks that I wasn't expecting...like today I found out it's not a 30 x 16 full array grid like the other sizes, it's actually 40 x 12. I told Ray earlier that I will check out some movies tonight to see how this affects blooming with letterbox bars.
Well at least you have better viewing angles as advertised. But it's also good to know that it's not significantly better than the Q9. Personally very happy with the Q9FN. But definitely keep us posted as to how 4K HDR movie viewing is if you can please?

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Well at least you have better viewing angles as advertised. But it's also good to know that it's not significantly better than the Q9. Personally very happy with the Q9FN. But definitely keep us posted as to how 4K HDR movie viewing is if you can please?

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I think as an industry we are approaching the best of what lcd technology can offer at this point. That's why these manufacturers are starting to push 8k, albeit slowly. The q90r vs the q9fn there really isnt much difference, minus the viewing angles, and that appears to be at a loss of contrast even though the blacks from all accounts seem to hold up decent. Other than that, the q9fn has the same peak brightness measurements and a wider color gamut with hdr. The q90 has the lowest color gamut measurement since they started with quantum dots back in 2015 which is what i find the most alarming. Even Sony seems to have tapped out on the technology, OLED seems stagnant as well regarding big breakthroughs. For the first time in 5 years i feel like buying a new tv right now is a total waste of my hard earned money. I feel like all these manufacturers are just putting out new tvs every year because they feel they have to, I'm convinced something massive is coming in the next 3 years. 100% color gamut? Microled? 4000 nits?

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You know...I never knew it was mislabeled. My cal was done with Chromapure and I don't think I ever noticed this was a thing. Even still, I'm glad I asked for clarification or I would have given you some whackjob figures lol. I'll still track down the report and get you my numbers.



I haven't had a ton of time with the Q90 yet beyond some gaming at night. And it's good but not definitely better than the Q9. Overall so far...it's a little underwhelming given my usage scenario. I don't care about the enhanced viewing angles, which to Samsung's credit are significantly better. The new gaming "features" are essentially useless, and it's got some weird quirks that I wasn't expecting...like today I found out it's not a 30 x 16 full array grid like the other sizes, it's actually 40 x 12. I told Ray earlier that I will check out some movies tonight to see how this affects blooming with letterbox bars.
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I think as an industry we are approaching the best of what lcd technology can offer at this point. That's why these manufacturers are starting to push 8k, albeit slowly. The q90r vs the q9fn there really isnt much difference, minus the viewing angles, and that appears to be at a loss of contrast even though the blacks from all accounts seem to hold up decent. Other than that, the q9fn has the same peak brightness measurements and a wider color gamut with hdr. The q90 has the lowest color gamut measurement since they started with quantum dots back in 2015 which is what i find the most alarming. Even Sony seems to have tapped out on the technology, OLED seems stagnant as well regarding big breakthroughs. For the first time in 5 years i feel like buying a new tv right now is a total waste of my hard earned money. I feel like all these manufacturers are just putting out new tvs every year because they feel they have to, I'm convinced something massive is coming in the next 3 years. 100% color gamut? Microled? 4000 nits?

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I think this year is more of a "tock" year than a "tick", last year was the "tick". Next year will also be a tick. if you follow that the improvements seem to be incremental, and more of a refinement rather than revelations. Seems the big improvements this year are viewing angles and panel uniformity. The uniformity on the 65s last year was consistently terrible, this year it seems to be consistently improved by quite a margin. the improvements in shadow detail and color accuracy seems to be small improvements but nothing mind blowing but noticeable.

Viewing angles can be tricky. If you sit dead center, they wont be noticeable on a 65". but as you go up in sizes, the difference should be noticeable because the corners of a the screen on an 80" tv with a regular VA panel will lose contrast. For example, on my 75Q9FN my eyes are about level with the very bottom of the screen literally which means im looking up at the tv, and my very top widescreen bar shows more grays and bleed because with the bad vertical viewing angles, while my bottom bar stays a lot blacker. I would image at this same angle, the 82Q90R without the new viewing angle tech would probably be a mess with the top 15" of the screen. So from your seating position dead center, the new viewing angle would allow you to have the 82 or even 98" tv without any loss of contrast from your seat


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I think this year is more of a "tock" year than a "tick", last year was the "tick". Next year will also be a tick. if you follow that the improvements seem to be incremental, and more of a refinement rather than revelations. Seems the big improvements this year are viewing angles and panel uniformity. The uniformity on the 65s last year was consistently terrible, this year it seems to be consistently improved by quite a margin. the improvements in shadow detail and color accuracy seems to be small improvements but nothing mind blowing but noticeable.



Viewing angles can be tricky. If you sit dead center, they wont be noticeable on a 65". but as you go up in sizes, the difference should be noticeable because the corners of a the screen on an 80" tv with a regular VA panel will lose contrast. For example, on my 75Q9FN my eyes are about level with the very bottom of the screen literally which means im looking up at the tv, and my very top widescreen bar shows more grays and bleed because with the bad vertical viewing angles, while my bottom bar stays a lot blacker. I would image at this same angle, the 82Q90R without the new viewing angle tech would probably be a mess with the top 15" of the screen. So from your seating position dead center, the new viewing angle would allow you to have the 82 or even 98" tv without any loss of contrast from your seat





im still pretty happy with my Q9FN using the Panny UB824 fed into my Oppo 203. but the possibility of being upgraded to a Q90R seems to be favored with an upcoming warranty claim that i am in the process of.
You still haven't got that yellow line fixed? Lol, good luck! Fortunately for me, I'm dead center of my 65", so i don't have any issues that you may be experiencing. I can't stand looking up at a tv, I'd have to buy a low profile tv stand or something.

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You still haven't got that yellow line fixed? Lol, good luck! Fortunately for me, I'm dead center of my 65", so i don't have any issues that you may be experiencing. I can't stand looking up at a tv, I'd have to buy a low profile tv stand or something.

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I don't like looking up at a TV either. The top of my stand sits 17" from the floor. It's served me very well over the years.
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At present I sit 10ft away from a Panasonic 65" TX 902 4K TV (equivalent in performance to Sony ZD9)
I am looking to purchase a 75" Samsung Q9f but my dealer has mentioned that at this viewing distance the picture will not be razor sharp due to the pixel density.
My dealer has tried to explain this but I am very confused!
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At present I sit 10ft away from a Panasonic 65" TX 902 4K TV (equivalent in performance to Sony ZD9)
I am looking to purchase a 75" Samsung Q9f but my dealer has mentioned that at this viewing distance the picture will not be razor sharp due to the pixel density.
My dealer has tried to explain this but I am very confused!
I sit less than 9 feet away from mine and 4K stuff looks razor sharp ... though I admit my eyes haven't bled yet

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