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post #10861 of 11210 Old 02-18-2020, 06:27 AM
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Completely agree with what you said. And yes, much like you, very happy to have purchased the Q9fn when it came to be. Only wish they did an eARC update to allow atmos for Netflix or Amazon within the TV apps (although Vudu does it even as lossy). That's what I meant by full digital experience. But that's also why I still collect 4k discs as well..... for the full uncompressed experience.

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Atmos already works with Samsung's Amazon app, but Amazon only supports Atmos on Jack Ryan and Carnival Row. As far as Netflix, it's up to them to update the TV app to support Atmos (it has nothing to do with eARC). They updated their app to support Atmos on just about everything except our TVs, the 2019 models were updated supposedly but why they don't want to upgrade their app on our 2018 models we may never know. If it really bugs you get a Roku or an AppleTV to get Atmos on Netflix.

I have actually fallen in love with my AppleTV and use it for all my apps now, having originally getting it for Disney+ (not knowing they were going to drop the Disney+ app on our TVs day one). The Match Frame Rate feature along with a much better interface make it a win.
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Atmos already works with Samsung's Amazon app, but Amazon only supports Atmos on Jack Ryan and Carnival Row. As far as Netflix, it's up to them to update the TV app to support Atmos (it has nothing to do with eARC). They updated their app to support Atmos on just about everything except our TVs, the 2019 models were updated supposedly but why they don't want to upgrade their app on our 2018 models we may never know. If it really bugs you get a Roku or an AppleTV to get Atmos on Netflix.



I have actually fallen in love with my AppleTV and use it for all my apps now, having originally getting it for Disney+ (not knowing they were going to drop the Disney+ app on our TVs day one). The Match Frame Rate feature along with a much better interface make it a win.
The 2019 shield tv also supports atmos on Netflix.

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O...k? So you are saying you just need to wait for sales to come in before you can buy? So, what, then? We would expect to see 8K prices go below their 4K counterparts?

The answer is, you wouldn't. So then you still have to deal with the fact that the Q90R, for example, is priced about $1,000 less than the Q900R. If you wanted flagship performance in the 2020 models, you need to pay the 8K premium.

Sure, there is a benefit with the AI processing, but c'mon man. They are clearly pushing the consumer into a much higher pricing bracket if they want a quality viewing experience.
Everyone has there own opinion but if I recall the 90R tested just as good overall to the 900R. 8K will add a tad bit cleaner, crisper image with more depth perception due to 8K. Upscaled 8K is way different then true 8K material if you can find it. I myself am not excited about 8K, when its free down the road like 4K, I will take it, until then 4K it is for me.....
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Everyone has there own opinion but if I recall the 90R tested just as good overall to the 900R. 8K will add a tad bit cleaner, crisper image with more depth perception due to 8K. Upscaled 8K is way different then true 8K material if you can find it. I myself am not excited about 8K, when its free down the road like 4K, I will take it, until then 4K it is for me.....
I think 8K will be embraced the way 4K did - when the production reaches an economy of scale where 75"+ becomes the new 65" standard.

4K content, even if it isn't with HDR, is absolutely noticeable on larger sizes than 55". I expect to see the difference at sizes 75"+ (preferably 82"+).

But I just don't see the value in paying out the premium for 8K at $5K for 65". And even if you are looking for that effective size where the 8K makes sense, going $10K for that? Nah.

I am fine putting out a few grand on a living room TV, but there is just a point where I feel the extra performance is not worth the extra dollars - similar to graphics cards in terms of the nvidia x70 series vs. the 'flagship' nvidia x80 series. Sure, the x80 series is definitively better, but is it nearly 150% the price better?

Nah, not really. I am not setup to squeeze out every ounce of performance from my equipment like that - same goes for TVs.
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I think 8K will be embraced the way 4K did - when the production reaches an economy of scale where 75"+ becomes the new 65" standard.

4K content, even if it isn't with HDR, is absolutely noticeable on larger sizes than 55". I expect to see the difference at sizes 75"+ (preferably 82"+).

But I just don't see the value in paying out the premium for 8K at $5K for 65". And even if you are looking for that effective size where the 8K makes sense, going $10K for that? Nah.

I am fine putting out a few grand on a living room TV, but there is just a point where I feel the extra performance is not worth the extra dollars - similar to graphics cards in terms of the nvidia x70 series vs. the 'flagship' nvidia x80 series. Sure, the x80 series is definitively better, but is it nearly 150% the price better?

Nah, not really. I am not setup to squeeze out every ounce of performance from my equipment like that - same goes for TVs.
huh? even the 75 is way less than that.
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huh? even the 75 is way less than that.
Yes, Yes. I know you can get the Q900R for less due to clearance sales. I am going off of prior MSRP for the 2020 models.
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Yes may make you feel way better about your choices but way off base in the real world.
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Yes may make you feel way better about your choices but way off base in the real world.
Right, because in the real world, Samsung's MSRP is nowhere close to what the TVs are actually worth, which is why one can and should absolutely wait with any Samsung TV released.

Just because there may be some value to what Samsung is producing doesnt absolve them of the criticism of essentially making each subsequent year cheaper and lower quality while still initially charging way too much for them.
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Right, because in the real world, Samsung's MSRP is nowhere close to what the TVs are actually worth, which is why one can and should absolutely wait with any Samsung TV released.



Just because there may be some value to what Samsung is producing doesnt absolve them of the criticism of essentially making each subsequent year cheaper and lower quality while still initially charging way too much for them.
Case in point, the Q9 from 2017. Samsung was riding high off of their KS line from the previous year and released the Q9 in 2017 at a ridiculously high price..... And the reviews weren't exactly all full of praise. Enter our Q9FN from 2018, they charged less for it (the 65 inch was $2000 cheaper than the Q9 of 2017) and it was regarded as one of the best led's of 2018 and even still to this day. Similar for the Q90r even though our TV's still hold top regard for best contrast and black levels.

I honestly think their strategy this year is going to backfire.

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Case in point, the Q9 from 2017. Samsung was riding high off of their KS line from the previous year and released the Q9 in 2017 at a ridiculously high price..... And the reviews weren't exactly all full of praise. Enter our Q9FN from 2018, they charged less for it (the 65 inch was $2000 cheaper than the Q9 of 2017) and it was regarded as one of the best led's of 2018 and even still to this day. Similar for the Q90r even though our TV's still hold top regard for best contrast and black levels.

I honestly think their strategy this year is going to backfire.

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The 2018 lineup was absolutely a move by Samsung to give the QLED lineup a 'premium' reputation. 2017's decision to go exclusively edge-lit was a colossal mistake, and everyone was basically saying "why not go OLED at that price?".

That is when they went with the FALD tech in the 2018 models, while also giving premium build quality, brightness, and contrast. 2019 stepped back the build quality (even the Q90R was noticeably cheaper looking and feeling from the Q9FN), and added the wide angle tech (again, to address any potential drawbacks when put up against OLED), and had the AI processor make up the difference for decreased brightness and contrast the wide angle tech brought about.

I personally still feel the 2019 lineup was a trade-off from 2018, rather than a flat out upgrade. But I have my bias.

As of now, Samsung's QLED line in turn has been killing it in sales. The reputation has been not just salvaged, but now established as quality in the general market (home theater enthusiasts, notwithstanding). Beyond that, QLED has a competitive advantage in terms of cost over OLED when it comes to 8K.

And that is why the 2020 QLED lineup is what it is. From the 4K to the 8K, Samsung is looking to make sure this year gives them the greatest profit margin on each unit - to the point where the value simply isn't there for the consumer this year.

Get those 2019 models while they are on sale and available. I am still intrigued to see what the reviews will show. Rtings will be fun to keep track of this year.
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Firmware 1291.1 is out on the Korean site for those interested in trying it out. Yes, this works on our TVs.


https://www.samsung.com/sec/support/...QN65Q9FNAFXKR/

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Firmware 1291.1 is out on the Korean site for those interested in trying it out. Yes, this works on our TVs.


What’s changed/ fixed?
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Have no clue. Didn't have a chance to install it. Just noticed it was up before I left for work this morning.
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Firmware 1291.1 is out on the Korean site for those interested in trying it out. Yes, this works on our TVs.


https://www.samsung.com/sec/support/...QN65Q9FNAFXKR/
Dang, beat me to it!
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Small update no?

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Indeed, I was figuring on something over 1300 next. Probably a small but important fix, maybe for what gamers were complaining about?

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Has anyone tried the new update on an us spec tv?

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Indeed, I was figuring on something over 1300 next. Probably a small but important fix, maybe for what gamers were complaining about?

I doubt they will be able to easily fix blooming related problems on game mode. Game mode by principle basically shuts off most video processing in order to drastically reduce lag. Local dimming is probably a fairly extensive video process.
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Indeed, I was figuring on something over 1300 next. Probably a small but important fix, maybe for what gamers were complaining about?
I wouldn't know. I don't game on mine these days. Uggh

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It turns out it's 1292.1, not 1291.1 the web site says. No problems so far .
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Indeed, I was figuring on something over 1300 next. Probably a small but important fix, maybe for what gamers were complaining about?
I HOPE SO! I have been gaming in standard mode because of the broken game mode in 1290.4...gimped brightness and completely broken local dimming...

Maybe ill be the guinea pig on this if i have time later on
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I HOPE SO! I have been gaming in standard mode because of the broken game mode in 1290.4...gimped brightness and completely broken local dimming...

Maybe ill be the guinea pig on this if i have time later on
Interesting. I've actually done the same lately as i've also noticed the dimmer overall picture when compared to non-game mode. Let me know what you think about this update!

Seriously, if this update doesnt make any changes to game-mode at all, im scared to install it since my SDR picture is now better than ever thanks to AnotherDudes calibration setting that i've used. So let me know if Game-mode has had any changes or else I wont be updating this time I think
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Interesting. I've actually done the same lately as i've also noticed the dimmer overall picture when compared to non-game mode. Let me know what you think about this update!

Seriously, if this update doesnt make any changes to game-mode at all, im scared to install it since my SDR picture is now better than ever thanks to AnotherDudes calibration setting that i've used. So let me know if Game-mode has had any changes or else I wont be updating this time I think
My SDR still looks fine. Haven't done any HDR yet. I don't use game mode.

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My SDR still looks fine. Haven't done any HDR yet. I don't use game mode.

Ah so you've already updated. Have you noticed any changes at all in this version? Good to know it still looks fine. Will you be recalibrating your SDR again anyway? (please post it if/when you do).
I remember you told me long ago that you dont use game mode so thats why I ask others if they noticed any difference in its dimmed picture from the latest update


Side note. I dont seem to noticed much difference in the different Local Dimming settings whatsoever, i've tested switching between high and low in movies and it looks pretty much the same, even though at first changing the setting in the menu makes it seem like "High" setting brightens the picture, when I exit the menus back to the movie I dont notice much difference - this is in SDR non-game mode as well as game mode. The only difference is that in Game mode the screen doesnt brighten up at all even in the menus when changing from Low to High - seemingly indicating that its "not working" like so many others have reported, but for me this has always been the case in game mode ever since I bought the TV almost a year ago so I guess its always been broken feature, or intentionally limited by Samsung to reduce processing. Has it ever really worked for anyone in Game mode?

Also, the initial brightening of the picture around the menu only seem to happen going between High and the other Local Dimming settings, so going from say Low to Standard does nothing? This is the same no matter SDR/HDR (non-game mode). Am I missing something or is my dimming broken? Can you guys clearly see any difference between say Low > Standard dimming? And how do you test your local dimming to see which one suits you the best, do you use Rtings dimming test or something? I was very excited about this FALD dimming stuff but ended up mostly confused about it

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I see a big difference between low and high but not between low and standard dimming.
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Interesting. I've actually done the same lately as i've also noticed the dimmer overall picture when compared to non-game mode. Let me know what you think about this update!

Seriously, if this update doesnt make any changes to game-mode at all, im scared to install it since my SDR picture is now better than ever thanks to AnotherDudes calibration setting that i've used. So let me know if Game-mode has had any changes or else I wont be updating this time I think
Downloaded the update and will apply it tonight when the kids go to bed. Ill report back on game mode once its updated
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Downloaded the update and will apply it tonight when the kids go to bed. Ill report back on game mode once its updated
No noticeable change in game mode in the Korean mini update...I'm so annoyed...back to standard mode for gaming
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No noticeable change in game mode in the Korean mini update...I'm so annoyed...back to standard mode for gaming
How frustrating. Thanks for the feedback!
I guess i'll stick to the current version and update as usual when it arrirves then, the update doesnt seem to be making things any worse at least.
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How frustrating. Thanks for the feedback!
I guess i'll stick to the current version and update as usual when it arrirves then, the update doesnt seem to be making things any worse at least.
Here is what game mode local dimming looks like on my 55q8fn with firmware 1292...completely unacceptable. I have a ticket out to samsung...it was NOT like this in prior firmware versions. This is SDR, local dimming high, backlight 40, no contrast enhancer.
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