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Here are the details posted in the Q8 thread of the firmware update. Hoping this fixes some things you folks have experienced. They seem to be releasing firmware updates very fast. Apparently this one might have to be downloaded via USB not via the TV.

- Model : NU8000, NU8500, NU9000, Q6F, Q7F, Q7C, Q8F, Q9F

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Samsung never releases what their firmware updates contain. For the last two years every firmware update on my ks8000 has the exact same release notes as this.

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I don't get it, why a cable cannot be passed throw a wall? It gets clistophobic?
I guess it's a heat or voltage thing. I just realized that the HDMI cables I have had running through the wall for over 3 years were never in-wall certified and I have had zero issues with them. I might just say f-it and still run it through the wall regardless.

Samsung will do ANYTHING to make a tv slimmer, even remove inputs from their TVs, and it's so stupid in my opinion.
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Samsung never releases what their firmware updates contain. For the last two years every firmware update on my ks8000 has the exact same release notes as this.
Really? That's unfortunate. I've never owned a Samsung so I didn't know that. Well anyway, hope whatever it does it helps

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No bleed into the black bars here.

Watched Thor Ragnarok on this set last night, it was pretty much hdr gasm material.
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I still believe this is a fw issue related to the 75 inch model. I have not seen light bleed into the black bars on the 65 inch model once after watching a couple dozen movies on it.
How is your Q9FN holding up? Still prefer it over your Z9D?
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I still believe this is a fw issue related to the 75 inch model. I have not seen light bleed into the black bars on the 65 inch model once after watching a couple dozen movies on it.
How is your Q9FN holding up? Still prefer it over your Z9D?
It's the best tv I've ever seen. The z9d is a spec sheet paper tiger in comparison.
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It's the best tv I've ever seen. The z9d is a spec sheet paper tiger in comparison.
How about a couple of things I read that Sony upscaling is still slightly better on cable sources. Do you agree with that?
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No bleed into the black bars here.

Watched Thor Ragnarok on this set last night, it was pretty much hdr gasm material.
that looks really good... im holding out hope the 75 will look just as good with none of the dimming issues that have been reported
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It's the best tv I've ever seen. The z9d is a spec sheet paper tiger in comparison.
How about a couple of things I read that Sony upscaling is still slightly better on cable sources. Do you agree with that?
No. Maybe you could spot some differences if you directly compared using A B swapping on a computer screen but by viewing cable content one didn't really seem better at upscaling than the other.
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Not sure if this review was posted. I don't remember reading it. It's pretty glowing all around except for Uniformity issues.

https://hdguru.com/review-samsung-qn...-black-levels/
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It's the best tv I've ever seen. The z9d is a spec sheet paper tiger in comparison.
So it's really that good huh? I might just have to get one then. So sick of DSE though.
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that looks really good... im holding out hope the 75 will look just as good with none of the dimming issues that have been reported
Yeah if I had to do it all over again I would have got a 75, but im happy with what I have.

I only noticed some dimming on only Netflix content. Everything else looks and runs great.

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How about a couple of things I read that Sony upscaling is still slightly better on cable sources. Do you agree with that?
You ask 10 different people that question you will get 10 different answers....The only opinion that matters is yours
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that looks really good... im holding out hope the 75 will look just as good with none of the dimming issues that have been reported
Same, but for the 88"
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Same, but for the 88"

As you may recall, I'm in the 88" boat with you. We've got two problems. First, the price. If it is even close to the 2017 price I wish them luck. 12K I could live with. Second, lets hope Samsung keeps the same ratio for dimming zones to screen surface area as in the 65". If they do it for the 75" I can't imagine they'd fudge on the 88".
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Not sure if this review was posted. I don't remember reading it. It's pretty glowing all around except for Uniformity issues.

https://hdguru.com/review-samsung-qn...-black-levels/
This is to me, the best/most useful review of the tv so far.
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As you may recall, I'm in the 88" boat with you. We've got two problems. First, the price. If it is even close to the 2017 price I wish them luck. 12K I could live with. Second, lets hope Samsung keeps the same ratio for dimming zones to screen surface area as in the 65". If they do it for the 75" I can't imagine they'd fudge on the 88".
Are we positive that the 88" will be the full meal deal, with FALD, and not just a reprise of the 2017 models? I have read at least one rumor supposedly emanating from a Samsung salesman that the 2018 88" will just be a tarted-up 2017.

As the owner of two 88"-ers (in two different homes)--a JS9500 and a JS9810--I'd really like to see whether the step up from the 9810 to a FALD Q9F would offer the same sort of improvement as we got between the 2015 and 2016 models...
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Not sure if this review was posted. I don't remember reading it. It's pretty glowing all around except for Uniformity issues.

https://hdguru.com/review-samsung-qn...-black-levels/
If the concentric pattern is setup properly, it would even better represent FALD performance over an Ansi pattern. 0.006 nits is 0.0017fL, so about a VT50 plasma. GT30 was about 0.0044 fL.

I am still curious how it holds up in day shots, because contrast ratio in a dark shot is one thing, but contrast ratio and depth on daylight shots are more tough for LCD's.

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Are we positive that the 88" will be the full meal deal, with FALD, and not just a reprise of the 2017 models? I have read at least one rumor supposedly emanating from a Samsung salesman that the 2018 88" will just be a tarted-up 2017.

As the owner of two 88"-ers (in two different homes)--a JS9500 and a JS9810--I'd really like to see whether the step up from the 9810 to a FALD Q9F would offer the same sort of improvement as we got between the 2015 and 2016 models...
Someone here with a contact said that there is a 99% chance there will be a 88" FALD. Now all of that is hearsay, so I'm being cautiously optimistic but using the 75" or the potential z9f as my fallback plan. Either way , I'm getting a set this year and the 900f in my eyes isn't good enough despite the larger size....not coming from my Sharp Elite.

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As you may recall, I'm in the 88" boat with you. We've got two problems. First, the price. If it is even close to the 2017 price I wish them luck. 12K I could live with. Second, lets hope Samsung keeps the same ratio for dimming zones to screen surface area as in the 65". If they do it for the 75" I can't imagine they'd fudge on the 88".
I could live with 15k, but you're right, if it's 20k with less zones, then it's a no.
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This is to me, the best/most useful review of the tv so far.
They made detailed measurements for some things and then write this nonsense:

"Samsung continues to use a VA LCD panel in this year’s series, but the viewing angle is getting close to the nearly 180-degree angles seen in IPS LCD screens. Images were colorful and contrasted from angles as wide as 150-degrees."

There is no IPS panel that looks fine from 180 degrees (meaning 90 degrees to either side) - only an old plasma can come close to that. The best IPS panels can do 45 degrees at best without significant color shift. Their 150 degree (75 to either side) figure for the Q9FN is more than double John Archers 30 degree off angle claim.
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For everyone that has gone from the Z9D to the Q9FN, how does HDR Gaming compare between the two TVs?
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They made detailed measurements for some things and then write this nonsense:

"Samsung continues to use a VA LCD panel in this year’s series, but the viewing angle is getting close to the nearly 180-degree angles seen in IPS LCD screens. Images were colorful and contrasted from angles as wide as 150-degrees."

There is no IPS panel that looks fine from 180 degrees (meaning 90 degrees to either side) - only an old plasma can come close to that. The best IPS panels can do 45 degrees at best without significant color shift. Their 150 degree (75 to either side) figure for the Q9FN is more than double John Archers 30 degree off angle claim.

The What-hi-fi article claimed 45 degrees. It's probably between 30-40 and may vary from panel to panel too.
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No. Definitely didn’t “need” to. Just wanted to see for myself if the bleed had been eliminated. And as another poster said I was told on numerous occasions that it had been. Don’t know why that’s funny though....
It may be a function of your source that causes the black bar crosses a dimming zone boundary on source. The pics you posted look like an HDR super bright area is right next to the black bar. Unless the black bar is in a separate dimming zone, there will be light bleed. This set may have 480 zones, but that may not be enough. OLED/MicroLED are the extreme zones where every pixel is an independent zone. Even the samsung set coming with 10,000 zones will have some bleed/halo/etc since more than one pixel shares the back light for that area.

Source of the image also can have an effect. If the UHD BD is shifted up a couple of pixels, the black bar may end up being in a dimming zone by itself allowing the black light to be shut off and the bar going completely black. But AppleTV streaming may have it down a couple of pixels which causes part of the image to be shared with the black bar and the black bar dimming zone has to be on to accommodate the non black image.

The real hope is that the eye is tricked by such a bright image next to a dark image and not see the light slightly spilling into the dark section.
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For the 2018 Q9FN owners:

I plan on purchasing the 75in Q9FN and the Emotiva RMC-1 when available.

Couple of questions.

How is everyone integrating a A/V processor and the separate box that comes with the TV?
Do you hook up all components to the processor and then main out to the Samsung box and then the box to the TV?
Do you bypass the box and just go HDMI main out RMC-1 directly to the TV? Seems there could be degradation in the signal path having to go thru to processors.

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For the 2018 Q9FN owners:

I plan on purchasing the 75in Q9FN and the Emotiva RMC-1 when available.

Couple of questions.

How is everyone integrating a A/V processor and the separate box that comes with the TV?
Do you hook up all components to the processor and then main out to the Samsung box and then the box to the TV?
Do you bypass the box and just go HDMI main out RMC-1 directly to the TV? Seems there could be degradation in the signal path having to go thru to processors.

Thanks
"All components to the processor and then main out to the Samsung box and then the box to the TV."
Most processors have an option to either use their processing or select passthrough. I'd choose passthrough.

"Do you bypass the box and just go HDMI main out RMC-1 directly to the TV?"
Don't you have to use the box, because it powers the tv?

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For the 2018 Q9FN owners:

I plan on purchasing the 75in Q9FN and the Emotiva RMC-1 when available.

Couple of questions.

How is everyone integrating a A/V processor and the separate box that comes with the TV?
Do you hook up all components to the processor and then main out to the Samsung box and then the box to the TV?
Do you bypass the box and just go HDMI main out RMC-1 directly to the TV? Seems there could be degradation in the signal path having to go thru to processors.

Thanks
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"All components to the processor and then main out to the Samsung box and then the box to the TV."
Most processors have an option to either use their processing or select passthrough. I'd choose passthrough.

"Do you bypass the box and just go HDMI main out RMC-1 directly to the TV?"
Don't you have to use the box, because it powers the tv?
All HDMI ports, digital optical ports and USB ports are on the connect box. If you go to the Q8 instead it doesn't have a connect box and the ports are integrated on the back of the TV, besides the number of dimming zones being less on the Q8 that is the only difference between the two.

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One problem with most FALD TVs is sometimes you can see the backlight array has anyone found this on the Q9?
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Any Q9FN owners using a 2017 Denon AVR? I ask because there is a owner of a Q8FN in the Q8 owners thread who reports that 4K at 60 hz downgrades to 4K at 30 hz due to a handshake problem. I was planning on buying a Q9FN soon but this could be a problem for me as I have a Denon X1400 receiver. This owner has contacted Denon and they blame Samsung. Samsung blames Denon.
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Any Q9FN owners using a 2017 Denon AVR? I ask because there is a owner of a Q8FN in the Q8 owners thread who reports that 4K at 60 hz downgrades to 4K at 30 hz due to a handshake problem. I was planning on buying a Q9FN soon but this could be a problem for me as I have a Denon X1400 receiver. This owner has contacted Denon and they blame Samsung. Samsung blames Denon.
One maybe able to bypass an AVR for video by having the components feed video to the tv and sound to the AVR. An example is Oppo players allow for this.

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