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@Cheddarhead - Best I could do was 4k hdr DV 30fps. I guess the 1 port isn’t fast enough for 50fps.

Since I am no longer using ARC I am going to put the cable tv on 1 or 4. I’m using optical out at the moment.

What are your thoughts on the oppo 203. Are there many movies outside of Billy’s long halftime walk that uses 4k hdr dv 60fps? Is it worth using port 2/3 for that? My firetv is 4k but not the newest model so I will probably keep that on 4.

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Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk is the only 60FPS Blu-ray that I am aware of so yeah, I would recommend using port 1 or 4 for the Blu-ray. I resolved the port issue with my Soundbar using ARC/CEC and having 4 HDMI ports that support 4k DV @60fps pass-through.

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77A8F....perhaps :-) but for now until micro LED or whatever this set fits my needs and looks good on all material.
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After a week of 85" ownership I thought I would post some observations. I've only managed to watch one full movie and a smattering of clips after testing out the new surround speakers last night

The size is impressive, especially coming from a 65". I sit 9-10 feet away and it's a good size without being overwhelming. Wish I could fit a bigger projections screen, but the 85" fits my room nicely.

The set excels with 16x9 content. There is just a wow factor when the screen is completely filled. On movies with changing aspect ratios, those IMAX scenes really take the cake.

I've read several complaints about blooming and elevated levels in the black bars during movies. Yes, there is some, but I noticed it really makes a difference where you are watching from. The door to my home theater is two feet in front and on the side of the TV, and it looks pretty terrible from that angle. Major blooming and flashlight effect when the Oppo logo screen-saver moves around a black background. But when I enter the room and center-up, that goes away for the most part, especially when I sit down. Black levels improve dramatically. The sweet spot seems to be with eye level in the center to lower 1/3rd of the screen. My couch is more modern and sits a bit lower, so my eyes are about 1/3rd up from the bottom. I also tilt the screen down a degree or two. Sitting dead center to maybe a little outside the edge of the TV, I get great blacks with minimal blooming. Move outside this zone and it's not as good. The worst I've seen it is when the Dolby Vision icon pops up in the corner at the start of a movie. But during movie playback with real content, no major issues for me.

Motion is pretty good. I think I have gotten used to the slight blur of plasma and Oled over the years so any extra clarity in motion looks like SOE to me. It is very subtle with MotionFlow set to True Cinema and Cinemotion on High. This is supposed to give the best cadence with 24 frame material, and it could be that the X1 chip just does a bang-up job with motion clarity and I'm not used to it. It's mostly noticeable in pan shots. I might try turning it off and see what I like better, but it's not a deal breaker. Hell, I might even get used to it and think the Oled is a blurry mess before too long....

The menu system is okay and I like the fairly simple options. Nothing seems buried. I'm still figuring out Android TV. There is an App button on the remote that brings up a bunch of Apps, but not Youtube or Youtube TV. I had to search for it and found they lived in the Home section after installing. I'm hoping I can add Apps to the actual App section, but I haven't played around too much.

The remote sucks for the most part with most of the important buttons clustered around the center dial. My hands are medium sized but I always seem to hit an outer button instead of the directional pad. They are too close!

Once I get all my surround speakers installed and the audio system set-up, I'll watching a lot in that room. Right now I think the 85X900f is a good set for a dedicated room. If you need a big TV and like to sit down and watch a movie, this set is a great option. If you just want a big TV for the living room but plan on doing chores or making dinner while it's on you will have to forgive the terrible off-axis viewing.
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After a week of 85" ownership I thought I would post some observations. I've only managed to watch one full movie and a smattering of clips after testing out the new surround speakers last night

The size is impressive, especially coming from a 65". I sit 9-10 feet away and it's a good size without being overwhelming. Wish I could fit a bigger projections screen, but the 85" fits my room nicely.

The set excels with 16x9 content. There is just a wow factor when the screen is completely filled. On movies with changing aspect ratios, those IMAX scenes really take the cake.

I've read several complaints about blooming and elevated levels in the black bars during movies. Yes, there is some, but I noticed it really makes a difference where you are watching from. The door to my home theater is two feet in front and on the side of the TV, and it looks pretty terrible from that angle. Major blooming and flashlight effect when the Oppo logo screen-saver moves around a black background. But when I enter the room and center-up, that goes away for the most part, especially when I sit down. Black levels improve dramatically. The sweet spot seems to be with eye level in the center to lower 1/3rd of the screen. My couch is more modern and sits a bit lower, so my eyes are about 1/3rd up from the bottom. I also tilt the screen down a degree or two. Sitting dead center to maybe a little outside the edge of the TV, I get great blacks with minimal blooming. Move outside this zone and it's not as good. The worst I've seen it is when the Dolby Vision icon pops up in the corner at the start of a movie. But during movie playback with real content, no major issues for me.

Motion is pretty good. I think I have gotten used to the slight blur of plasma and Oled over the years so any extra clarity in motion looks like SOE to me. It is very subtle with MotionFlow set to True Cinema and Cinemotion on High. This is supposed to give the best cadence with 24 frame material, and it could be that the X1 chip just does a bang-up job with motion clarity and I'm not used to it. It's mostly noticeable in pan shots. I might try turning it off and see what I like better, but it's not a deal breaker. Hell, I might even get used to it and think the Oled is a blurry mess before too long....

The menu system is okay and I like the fairly simple options. Nothing seems buried. I'm still figuring out Android TV. There is an App button on the remote that brings up a bunch of Apps, but not Youtube or Youtube TV. I had to search for it and found they lived in the Home section after installing. I'm hoping I can add Apps to the actual App section, but I haven't played around too much.

The remote sucks for the most part with most of the important buttons clustered around the center dial. My hands are medium sized but I always seem to hit an outer button instead of the directional pad. They are too close!

Once I get all my surround speakers installed and the audio system set-up, I'll watching a lot in that room. Right now I think the 85X900f is a good set for a dedicated room. If you need a big TV and like to sit down and watch a movie, this set is a great option. If you just want a big TV for the living room but plan on doing chores or making dinner while it's on you will have to forgive the terrible off-axis viewing.
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I updated this morning and have local dimming on and have no issues at all. Though I have no idea what the update actually did.


I updated last night with no issues. The 930e set that was mentioned previously is an edge lit set.


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I updated last night with no issues. The 930e set that was mentioned previously is an edge lit set.


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Do you happen to know what kind of panel this 900F 85 uses? I believe VA ... but I need confirmation.

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Do you happen to know what kind of panel this 900F 85 uses? I believe VA ... but I need confirmation.

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It’s a FALD





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From what I've read, sites are reporting that all sizes are a VA panel. No one has specifically mentioned that isn't. I haven't seen complaints of it having worse black levels than the other sizes or better viewing angles, so there is that.



No mention on Sony's site specifically for any of them.
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From what I've read, sites are reporting that all sizes are a VA panel. No one has specifically mentioned that isn't. I haven't seen complaints of it having worse black levels than the other sizes or better viewing angles, so there is that.



No mention on Sony's site specifically for any of them.
Off-axis traits, black levels, and contrast are directly in-line with VA panel expected performance. There is also no IPS glow of any sort. That is about all the confirmation you can expect outside of tearing it down.
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The 65" model tested by Rtings.com uses a VA panel and, as expected, has a very good native contrast ratio of over 5.000:1.
I would imagine the 85" model would also use a VA panel, which are much more commonly available from OEM than IPS panels.

If i remember correctly, only LG still makes IPS panels and at some point in the past Panasonic also manufactured them.
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Does anyone who has a 900f model experience firmware issues as described with the 930e. My 85 inch 900f updates without issue. I’m guessing the above issue is due to it being an edge lit display?


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Does anyone who has a 900f model experience firmware issues as described with the 930e. My 85 inch 900f updates without issue. I’m guessing the above issue is due to it being an edge lit display?


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when i Play with my PS4 Pro the picture goes Black for a Second and than everything is ok but this is every 10 minutes... Have anybody the same Problems ???
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when i Play with my PS4 Pro the picture goes Black for a Second and than everything is ok but this is every 10 minutes... Have anybody the same Problems ???

I have had a black screen in a single instance when I started the PS4. Had to remove the cable and reinsert it to the PS4. Only that once and never during usage.


Have you tried with a different cable? Which HDMI port are you using on the TV? Is it on various titles or in a particular game? Do you still have sound? Much more info needed.
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I have this Problem with FIFA 19 in the Games ! I have the PS4 in HDMI 2 and the Soundsystem in HDMI 3.

In this Moment i loose the Sound too and the Cables are new.

Is the LG B7 much better than the X900F ???
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I have this Problem with FIFA 19 in the Games ! I have the PS4 in HDMI 2 and the Soundsystem in HDMI 3.

In this Moment i loose the Sound too and the Cables are new.

Is the LG B7 much better than the X900F ???

A cable being new doesn't make it good. Try swapping with another cable. Also, try playing other games to see if the issue persists.
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Does anyone who has a 900f model experience firmware issues as described with the 930e. My 85 inch 900f updates without issue. I’m guessing the above issue is due to it being an edge lit display?
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Could be, but if you check the 930E owners' thread, many have reported that they don't see the problem with the new firmware. Also, the YouTube video showing the 930E problem is from Quantum Apotheosis, who isn't exactly a respected source (to put it mildly).
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I have the same issue and asked earlier in the thread. Was told the USB ports are always powered by the TV, even with the TV off. My strip has a remote control but it's annoying.
Mine is really weird. The strip turns off after a few minutes but then comes on and off randomly after I power down.
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Not really a 900F issue but I thought I would post it and see if anyone agrees. I have my ATV4K set up for streaming and set up for dolby vision. The menus even YouTube pages are presented in dolby vision according to the picture setting. I find everything really dim, even shows like altered carbon which is supposed to be presented in dolby vision. I remedied this by changing the ATV4K video settings to force HDR instead of dolby vision. Everything now pops the way it should on this TV. Is this normal for dolby vision to be so dim because of the "intended" look according to the the way DV works or is it a common problem with Sony's implementation?
You state that you dislike Dolby Vision content because it appears "so dim" and does not "pop the way it should". You also said you posted "to see if anyone agrees" with your assessment. These comments highlight a very common and quite divisive rift in this community. Some people love a cinematic look and strive for fidelity with the reference monitors used in post-production and color grading. Others, apparently including you, prefer to make their TVs add brightness, contrast, saturation or apply other dynamic processing. This results in images which may differ quite dramatically from the source material, but which they simply prefer. This is similar to the controversy surrounding cilantro, that hideous scourge of the plant world. It smells faintly of cat urine and moldy socks and tastes like Ivory soap. Blech, phooey.

You know my opinion of cilantro. My opinion about TV calibration is not quite as extreme, but for over 20 years, I have leaned strongly toward fidelity. I suspect that what you like would look unpleasant to me. What I like is clearly unpleasant to you. Despite my strong preference, and despite the objective evidence "that it looks the way it is supposed to", encouraging you to change your preference or learn to like it are pointless and unhelpful. So, after making my bias clear, I will try to help you understand what is going on under the hood, and give you the tools to make Dolby Vision more useful to you by letting you view it in a way that more closely matches your taste.

First let's look at the ATV configuration. I suggest that you stop forcing it into HDR10 mode, and remove Dolby Vision and HDR10 from the equation. Almost all of the native ATV UI, the interface to third party apps, and the artwork that they both display was designed, tested and graded in SDR. None of these benefit from higher dynamic range or from an on-the-fly conversion from the REC709 to the 2020 color space. My first recommendation is to change your ATV configuration to stop messing with HDR formats.

You need to enable Dolby Vision to ensure that your cabling is up to snuff, that your TV is correctly configured to support enhanced HDMI modes, and that the ATV and sony are handshaking properly. Once this has been done, however, the ATV no longer needs to be set to the 4K Dolby Vision format. I recommend that you configure Settings>Video and Audio>Format to 4K SDR, and then set the Match Content to Range & Frame Rate. To do the latter, enter the "Match Content" submenu and set both "Match Frame Rate" and "Match Dynamic Range" to on. After doing both of those things, the TV will support both HDR10 and Dolby vision correctly, but will only use them when viewing content which was mastered to those standards. For everything else, the UI and content will display correctly in SDR. Using this configuration, the top entry in the "Video and Audio" menu will read "Enable Dolby Vision". This appears to suggest that Dolby Vision (and/or HDR) is not configured but that is misleading. The default format is indeed only 4K SDR. But the "Match Dynamic Range" setting will allow the ATV to dynamically enable HDR10 and Dolby Vision when required.

You now are in a place where SDR and HDR10 look good to you, but Dolby Vision content does not please you. That is fine: we're not done yet. The rest requires configuring the Sony.

Other formats please you but DV still looks dim or lackluster. Why is this happening? HDR and SDR look fairly similar to you because they are using extremely similar configurations. All content displayed on your TV is processed using a picture mode. Each picture mode on the X900F (ignoring advanced color temp calibration) has 25 separate configuration settings. This TV has 12 different named picture modes which you can use to display SDR or static HDR content (HDR10 or HLG). Each mode provides a different set of default tunings for these 25 settings and each let you tweak the settings. When Sony added Dolby Vision support they also added a 13th picture mode. When Dolby vision content is displayed, the TV switches to this new Dolby Vision picture mode. (For completeness I am compelled to mention that each of the named profiles is also dependent on the video source. So configuring a picture mode on HDMI 2, will not change the settings used for that mode on HDMI 3, or a particular APP etc. )

When viewing HDR10 the 25 settings are nearly identical to those you are using for SDR. When in a static HDR context, a few settings (including backlight Brightness, Gamma, and X-tended Dynamic Range) are stored separate for HDR and SDR content. You can set these to different values when watching static HDR and SDR content and these will remain distinct between the SDR and HDR contexts.. Most of the rest of the settings (perhaps all, but I simply do not know) are shared regardless of the dynamic range context. So, when you watch SDR content or HDR content only a few settings differ and you will not notice a big difference.

Because DV content switches to the Dolby Vision picture mode, you notice a huge difference because the configuration settings in that mode are so different from the mode you were previously using. This has nearly nothing to do with Dolby Vision itself, it is the video processing specified by the picture modes. For close to 20 years my displays have been configured very close to the default settings used by the Cinema Pro picture mode. Since the Dolby Vision mode is a sibling of Cinema Pro (all but a few of the settings appear identical to the defaults of Cinema Pro) , watching DV content was great for me out of the box. For you, the picture mode you are used to is much different from Cinema Pro. Thus you did not like it and suspect there might be a problem.

I cannot tell you precisely what to do from here, because making a picture "pop" is highly subjective (and to my eye, strays into cat urine and soap territory ). I don't know what basic settings or which types of extraneous image processing contribute the most towards what you like when you say it "pops", but I can point to to some settings which are likely candidates. I suspect that changing Gamma from -2 to -1 or 0, and changing Color from 50 to 55 or 60 might get you closer to what you currently prefer. You might also be a Sharpness junky, in which case boosting from the defaul 50 to 55 or 60 might be worthwhile. Of course, if those don't do it for you, you'll need to do some more work. You'll have to closely examine and copy down the settings in your preferred profile, and add some of them to the Dolby vision one.

Since Dolby Vision mode is only visible and editable when DV content is playing, you might find it easiest to first tweak Cinema Pro settings on that input while watching SDR or HDR10 content since far more content, and a wider variety of content, is available in those modes to play around with. Once you have aded settings to the Cinema Pro profile to suit your taste, you can then configure the Dolby Vision mode to use those settings.

Although it would be faster to simply copy all of the settings from the mode you currently like, into the DV mode settings, I suspect that you will be better served by adding the minimum changes to the blank slate of the Cinema Pro and/or Dolby Vision profiles, rather then copying settings wholesale. The reason for this is that the mode you are using probably has a lot of dynamic picture processing going on. I have no hard evidence to suggest that this might lead to any problems, but have a strong suspicion that this is likely. Why? Because the Dolby Vision picture mode exists at all.

Think about it for a moment. When they added HDR10 and HLG support they layered it on top of the existing picture modes. For SDR and each of those static HDR modes the black floor, the white ceiling, and the average luminance are constant reference values. Peak white and ABL can vary for HDR, but the HDR10 metadata sets peak white and average scene brightness for the entire stream. Things like dynamic black adjustment or advanced contrast enhancement might behave similarly in SDR mode and HDR10 mode as a result of the static mastering. Dolby vision metadata is done scene by scene. The meaning of the black floor, white ceiling and average luminance keep changing while the video plays. I suspect that some of the dynamic processing features might introduce more artifacts, or behave differently than the user expects when playing DV material as a result. This is pure conjecture on my part, I have no evidence to support it. However, Sony must have had a good reason for introducing a whole new picture mode for Dolby Vision. This might explain why they did so.

At any rate, what you experienced is based on the fact that DV relies on a new picture mode that differs from the one used when play SDR or static HDR content. You just need to configure the Dolby Vision mode to suit your taste.
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You state that you dislike Dolby Vision content because it appears "so dim" and does not "pop the way it should". You also said you posted "to see if anyone agrees" with your assessment. These comments highlight a very common and quite divisive rift in this community. Some people love a cinematic look and strive for fidelity with the reference monitors used in post-production and color grading. Others, apparently including you, prefer to make their TVs add brightness, contrast, saturation or apply other dynamic processing. This results in images which may differ quite dramatically from the source material, but which they simply prefer. This is similar to the controversy surrounding cilantro, that hideous scourge of the plant world. It smells faintly of cat urine and moldy socks and tastes like Ivory soap. Blech, phooey.



You know my opinion of cilantro. My opinion about TV calibration is not quite as extreme, but for over 20 years, I have leaned strongly toward fidelity. I suspect that what you like would look unpleasant to me. What I like is clearly unpleasant to you. Despite my strong preference, and despite the objective evidence "that it looks the way it is supposed to", encouraging you to change your preference or learn to like it are pointless and unhelpful. So, after making my bias clear, I will try to help you understand what is going on under the hood, and give you the tools to make Dolby Vision more useful to you by letting you view it in a way that more closely matches your taste.



First let's look at the ATV configuration. I suggest that you stop forcing it into HDR10 mode, and remove Dolby Vision and HDR10 from the equation. Almost all of the native ATV UI, the interface to third party apps, and the artwork that they both display was designed, tested and graded in SDR. None of these benefit from higher dynamic range or from an on-the-fly conversion from the REC709 to the 2020 color space. My first recommendation is to change your ATV configuration to stop messing with HDR formats.



You need to enable Dolby Vision to ensure that your cabling is up to snuff, that your TV is correctly configured to support enhanced HDMI modes, and that the ATV and sony are handshaking properly. Once this has been done, however, the ATV no longer needs to be set to the 4K Dolby Vision format. I recommend that you configure Settings>Video and Audio>Format to 4K SDR, and then set the Match Content to Range & Frame Rate. To do the latter, enter the "Match Content" submenu and set both "Match Frame Rate" and "Match Dynamic Range" to on. After doing both of those things, the TV will support both HDR10 and Dolby vision correctly, but will only use them when viewing content which was mastered to those standards. For everything else, the UI and content will display correctly in SDR. Using this configuration, the top entry in the "Video and Audio" menu will read "Enable Dolby Vision". This appears to suggest that Dolby Vision (and/or HDR) is not configured but that is misleading. The default format is indeed only 4K SDR. But the "Match Dynamic Range" setting will allow the ATV to dynamically enable HDR10 and Dolby Vision when required.



You now are in a place where SDR and HDR10 look good to you, but Dolby Vision content does not please you. That is fine: we're not done yet. The rest requires configuring the Sony.



Other formats please you but DV still looks dim or lackluster. Why is this happening? HDR and SDR look fairly similar to you because they are using extremely similar configurations. All content displayed on your TV is processed using a picture mode. Each picture mode on the X900F (ignoring advanced color temp calibration) has 25 separate configuration settings. This TV has 12 different named picture modes which you can use to display SDR or static HDR content (HDR10 or HLG). Each mode provides a different set of default tunings for these 25 settings and each let you tweak the settings. When Sony added Dolby Vision support they also added a 13th picture mode. When Dolby vision content is displayed, the TV switches to this new Dolby Vision picture mode. (For completeness I am compelled to mention that each of the named profiles is also dependent on the video source. So configuring a picture mode on HDMI 2, will not change the settings used for that mode on HDMI 3, or a particular APP etc. )



When viewing HDR10 the 25 settings are nearly identical to those you are using for SDR. When in a static HDR context, a few settings (including backlight Brightness, Gamma, and X-tended Dynamic Range) are stored separate for HDR and SDR content. You can set these to different values when watching static HDR and SDR content and these will remain distinct between the SDR and HDR contexts.. Most of the rest of the settings (perhaps all, but I simply do not know) are shared regardless of the dynamic range context. So, when you watch SDR content or HDR content only a few settings differ and you will not notice a big difference.



Because DV content switches to the Dolby Vision picture mode, you notice a huge difference because the configuration settings in that mode are so different from the mode you were previously using. This has nearly nothing to do with Dolby Vision itself, it is the video processing specified by the picture modes. For close to 20 years my displays have been configured very close to the default settings used by the Cinema Pro picture mode. Since the Dolby Vision mode is a sibling of Cinema Pro (all but a few of the settings appear identical to the defaults of Cinema Pro) , watching DV content was great for me out of the box. For you, the picture mode you are used to is much different from Cinema Pro. Thus you did not like it and suspect there might be a problem.



I cannot tell you precisely what to do from here, because making a picture "pop" is highly subjective (and to my eye, strays into cat urine and soap territory ). I don't know what basic settings or which types of extraneous image processing contribute the most towards what you like when you say it "pops", but I can point to to some settings which are likely candidates. I suspect that changing Gamma from -2 to -1 or 0, and changing Color from 50 to 55 or 60 might get you closer to what you currently prefer. You might also be a Sharpness junky, in which case boosting from the defaul 50 to 55 or 60 might be worthwhile. Of course, if those don't do it for you, you'll need to do some more work. You'll have to closely examine and copy down the settings in your preferred profile, and add some of them to the Dolby vision one.



Since Dolby Vision mode is only visible and editable when DV content is playing, you might find it easiest to first tweak Cinema Pro settings on that input while watching SDR or HDR10 content since far more content, and a wider variety of content, is available in those modes to play around with. Once you have aded settings to the Cinema Pro profile to suit your taste, you can then configure the Dolby Vision mode to use those settings.



Although it would be faster to simply copy all of the settings from the mode you currently like, into the DV mode settings, I suspect that you will be better served by adding the minimum changes to the blank slate of the Cinema Pro and/or Dolby Vision profiles, rather then copying settings wholesale. The reason for this is that the mode you are using probably has a lot of dynamic picture processing going on. I have no hard evidence to suggest that this might lead to any problems, but have a strong suspicion that this is likely. Why? Because the Dolby Vision picture mode exists at all.



Think about it for a moment. When they added HDR10 and HLG support they layered it on top of the existing picture modes. For SDR and each of those static HDR modes the black floor, the white ceiling, and the average luminance are constant reference values. Peak white and ABL can vary for HDR, but the HDR10 metadata sets peak white and average scene brightness for the entire stream. Things like dynamic black adjustment or advanced contrast enhancement might behave similarly in SDR mode and HDR10 mode as a result of the static mastering. Dolby vision metadata is done scene by scene. The meaning of the black floor, white ceiling and average luminance keep changing while the video plays. I suspect that some of the dynamic processing features might introduce more artifacts, or behave differently than the user expects when playing DV material as a result. This is pure conjecture on my part, I have no evidence to support it. However, Sony must have had a good reason for introducing a whole new picture mode for Dolby Vision. This might explain why they did so.



At any rate, what you experienced is based on the fact that DV relies on a new picture mode that differs from the one used when play SDR or static HDR content. You just need to configure the Dolby Vision mode to suit your taste.


Jquick- if we like 4k hdr dv what are the optimal settings for the Apple TV? Is it just 4k hdr dv 60 FPS? Do I need to also enable the match content like you suggested above?

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Jquick- if we like 4k hdr dv what are the optimal settings for the Apple TV? Is it just 4k hdr dv 60 FPS? Do I need to also enable the match content like you suggested above?

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I strongly suggest that you turn both match content settings to on.

With match dynamic range off and format set to HDR what you asking the ATV to do is force all content into a faux HDR10 mode.

The content being displayed gets no benefit from this. The video being displayed does not magically get a higher dynamic range than it originally had. You'd see the same effect by just setting the SDR picture mode being used to max Brightness. Any contrast or dynamic range enhancement that you might think would happen will not happen unless you turned on those settings in relevant HDR or SDR picture modes. What I am getting at is that this conversion does not buy you anything.

On the downside, it can lead to bugs and edge cases which look pretty ugly. For instance in the Prime Video App when you near the end of an episode an icon is overlaid on the playing video. You can click to stop watching the closing credits of this episode and jump to the next one. When playing an SDR episode and forcing HDR10 display, the video was mapped to the HDR10 colorspace correctly but the image from the icon was not being translated. This resulted in a truly awful result with incorrect colors and incorrect contrast.

Again why do it when it is not capable of adding any benefit that you cannot already get by just tweaking the relevant SDR picture mode?

I honestly don't understand why one would try to set it up it that way.

If you meant something else by your question please clarify and I'll try again.
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Not really a 900F issue but I thought I would post it and see if anyone agrees. I have my ATV4K set up for streaming and set up for dolby vision. The menus even YouTube pages are presented in dolby vision according to the picture setting. I find everything really dim, even shows like altered carbon which is supposed to be presented in dolby vision. I remedied this by changing the ATV4K video settings to force HDR instead of dolby vision. Everything now pops the way it should on this TV. Is this normal for dolby vision to be so dim because of the "intended" look according to the the way DV works or is it a common problem with Sony's implementation?
You state that you dislike Dolby Vision content because it appears "so dim" and does not "pop the way it should". You also said you posted "to see if anyone agrees" with your assessment. These comments highlight a very common and quite divisive rift in this community. Some people love a cinematic look and strive for fidelity with the reference monitors used in post-production and color grading. Others, apparently including you, prefer to make their TVs add brightness, contrast, saturation or apply other dynamic processing. This results in images which may differ quite dramatically from the source material, but which they simply prefer. This is similar to the controversy surrounding cilantro, that hideous scourge of the plant world. It smells faintly of cat urine and moldy socks and tastes like Ivory soap. Blech, phooey.

You know my opinion of cilantro. My opinion about TV calibration is not quite as extreme, but for over 20 years, I have leaned strongly toward fidelity. I suspect that what you like would look unpleasant to me. What I like is clearly unpleasant to you. Despite my strong preference, and despite the objective evidence "that it looks the way it is supposed to", encouraging you to change your preference or learn to like it are pointless and unhelpful. So, after making my bias clear, I will try to help you understand what is going on under the hood, and give you the tools to make Dolby Vision more useful to you by letting you view it in a way that more closely matches your taste.

First let's look at the ATV configuration. I suggest that you stop forcing it into HDR10 mode, and remove Dolby Vision and HDR10 from the equation. Almost all of the native ATV UI, the interface to third party apps, and the artwork that they both display was designed, tested and graded in SDR. None of these benefit from higher dynamic range or from an on-the-fly conversion from the REC709 to the 2020 color space. My first recommendation is to change your ATV configuration to stop messing with HDR formats.

You need to enable Dolby Vision to ensure that your cabling is up to snuff, that your TV is correctly configured to support enhanced HDMI modes, and that the ATV and sony are handshaking properly. Once this has been done, however, the ATV no longer needs to be set to the 4K Dolby Vision format. I recommend that you configure Settings>Video and Audio>Format to 4K SDR, and then set the Match Content to Range & Frame Rate. To do the latter, enter the "Match Content" submenu and set both "Match Frame Rate" and "Match Dynamic Range" to on. After doing both of those things, the TV will support both HDR10 and Dolby vision correctly, but will only use them when viewing content which was mastered to those standards. For everything else, the UI and content will display correctly in SDR. Using this configuration, the top entry in the "Video and Audio" menu will read "Enable Dolby Vision". This appears to suggest that Dolby Vision (and/or HDR) is not configured but that is misleading. The default format is indeed only 4K SDR. But the "Match Dynamic Range" setting will allow the ATV to dynamically enable HDR10 and Dolby Vision when required.

You now are in a place where SDR and HDR10 look good to you, but Dolby Vision content does not please you. That is fine: we're not done yet. The rest requires configuring the Sony.

Other formats please you but DV still looks dim or lackluster. Why is this happening? HDR and SDR look fairly similar to you because they are using extremely similar configurations. All content displayed on your TV is processed using a picture mode. Each picture mode on the X900F (ignoring advanced color temp calibration) has 25 separate configuration settings. This TV has 12 different named picture modes which you can use to display SDR or static HDR content (HDR10 or HLG). Each mode provides a different set of default tunings for these 25 settings and each let you tweak the settings. When Sony added Dolby Vision support they also added a 13th picture mode. When Dolby vision content is displayed, the TV switches to this new Dolby Vision picture mode. (For completeness I am compelled to mention that each of the named profiles is also dependent on the video source. So configuring a picture mode on HDMI 2, will not change the settings used for that mode on HDMI 3, or a particular APP etc. )

When viewing HDR10 the 25 settings are nearly identical to those you are using for SDR. When in a static HDR context, a few settings (including backlight Brightness, Gamma, and X-tended Dynamic Range) are stored separate for HDR and SDR content. You can set these to different values when watching static HDR and SDR content and these will remain distinct between the SDR and HDR contexts.. Most of the rest of the settings (perhaps all, but I simply do not know) are shared regardless of the dynamic range context. So, when you watch SDR content or HDR content only a few settings differ and you will not notice a big difference.

Because DV content switches to the Dolby Vision picture mode, you notice a huge difference because the configuration settings in that mode are so different from the mode you were previously using. This has nearly nothing to do with Dolby Vision itself, it is the video processing specified by the picture modes. For close to 20 years my displays have been configured very close to the default settings used by the Cinema Pro picture mode. Since the Dolby Vision mode is a sibling of Cinema Pro (all but a few of the settings appear identical to the defaults of Cinema Pro) , watching DV content was great for me out of the box. For you, the picture mode you are used to is much different from Cinema Pro. Thus you did not like it and suspect there might be a problem.

I cannot tell you precisely what to do from here, because making a picture "pop" is highly subjective (and to my eye, strays into cat urine and soap territory [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] ). I don't know what basic settings or which types of extraneous image processing contribute the most towards what you like when you say it "pops", but I can point to to some settings which are likely candidates. I suspect that changing Gamma from -2 to -1 or 0, and changing Color from 50 to 55 or 60 might get you closer to what you currently prefer. You might also be a Sharpness junky, in which case boosting from the defaul 50 to 55 or 60 might be worthwhile. Of course, if those don't do it for you, you'll need to do some more work. You'll have to closely examine and copy down the settings in your preferred profile, and add some of them to the Dolby vision one.

Since Dolby Vision mode is only visible and editable when DV content is playing, you might find it easiest to first tweak Cinema Pro settings on that input while watching SDR or HDR10 content since far more content, and a wider variety of content, is available in those modes to play around with. Once you have aded settings to the Cinema Pro profile to suit your taste, you can then configure the Dolby Vision mode to use those settings.

Although it would be faster to simply copy all of the settings from the mode you currently like, into the DV mode settings, I suspect that you will be better served by adding the minimum changes to the blank slate of the Cinema Pro and/or Dolby Vision profiles, rather then copying settings wholesale. The reason for this is that the mode you are using probably has a lot of dynamic picture processing going on. I have no hard evidence to suggest that this might lead to any problems, but have a strong suspicion that this is likely. Why? Because the Dolby Vision picture mode exists at all.

Think about it for a moment. When they added HDR10 and HLG support they layered it on top of the existing picture modes. For SDR and each of those static HDR modes the black floor, the white ceiling, and the average luminance are constant reference values. Peak white and ABL can vary for HDR, but the HDR10 metadata sets peak white and average scene brightness for the entire stream. Things like dynamic black adjustment or advanced contrast enhancement might behave similarly in SDR mode and HDR10 mode as a result of the static mastering. Dolby vision metadata is done scene by scene. The meaning of the black floor, white ceiling and average luminance keep changing while the video plays. I suspect that some of the dynamic processing features might introduce more artifacts, or behave differently than the user expects when playing DV material as a result. This is pure conjecture on my part, I have no evidence to support it. However, Sony must have had a good reason for introducing a whole new picture mode for Dolby Vision. This might explain why they did so.

At any rate, what you experienced is based on the fact that DV relies on a new picture mode that differs from the one used when play SDR or static HDR content. You just need to configure the Dolby Vision mode to suit your taste.
Very informative, thank you. I have been using the custom picture mode for SDR/HDR and am happy with how I have my content looking. Thanks for the tip on setting up the ATV, it didn't make sense to me why the UI, apps were displaying in DV. I'll try and bump up some of the basic settings gamma, colour like you mentioned and see if I can get something closer to what I like. Thanks again!
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Video Features

4K HDR: For the ultimate in picture quality, this TV pairs the brilliance of 4K clarity with the brightness, color, and detail of High Dynamic Range (HDR). Combined with 4K Ultra HD resolution, HDR video content delivers exceptional detail, color and contrast, with a far wider range of brightness than other video formats. The result is the most lifelike picture TVs have ever been able to create, with brilliant highlights and fine detail.
  • Ultra 4K Resolution: See more on TV than ever before with over 8 million individual pixels (3,840 x 2,160) compared to about 2 million (1,920 x 1,080) on a1080p HDTV. Its detail is so vivid and crisp, even when viewed from close distances; it's nearly impossible to discern a single pixel, even from inches away.
  • HDR (High Dynamic Range): High Dynamic Range (HDR) enhances the dynamic range of a picture, increasing the contrast between the brightest whites and darkest blacks. Every pixel is made more accurate, regardless of resolution, bringing scenes to life with greater detail. HDR's greater dynamic range of luminosity or brightness levels brings greater contrast & wider color spectrum to the screen. This increased contrast reveals the subtle nuances of the image, from detailed blacks and shadows to the brightest whites and colors, plus greater depth. Previously hidden areas of dark shadow and sunlight are now full of clarity and detail. Movies and TV shows in HDR are closer to the original recording and the director's vision with more brightness, contrast and color, for a truly lifelike viewing experience.
    • HDR 10: HDR 10 is an open standard and currently the most popular HDR format on the market. It supports 10-bit color and 1,000 nits. It uses static metadata at the start of a movie to tell the receiver and your TV that the video content is encoded using HDR.
    • HLG: HLG (Hybrid-Log Gamma) is primarily designed for live video feed and over-the-air broadcasts. It uses no pre-encoded metadata and is backwards compatible with SDR. HLG's native compatibility allows much of today's existing SDR infrastructure to be re-used for HDR in the future.
    • Dolby Vision (Firmware Update Available): Unlike HDR 10 which contains static metadata and HLG which uses not metadata, Dolby Vision adjusts brightness, color, and contrast automatically for each scene. Dynamic metadata carries information that maps every image to your TV's display capabilities, so you see more of what the content creator intended.
Note: Please use a premium high speed HDMI cable with 18 Gbps and above to view HDR content.
4K HDR Processor X1 Extreme: Sony's 4K HDR Processor X1 Extreme includes powerful real-time image processing for ultra detailed picture. Made to enhance the latest generation of 4K HDR pictures, the 4K HDR Processor X1 Extreme brings reality to every scene. With 40% more real-time image processing than our renowned 4K Processor X1, it delivers unprecedented picture quality for everything you watch, upscaling content from any source nearer to 4K. The 4K HDR Processor X1 Extreme uses Super Bit Mapping 4K HDR technology, Precision Color Mapping, Object-based HDR Remaster, and Dynamic Contrast Enhancer to produce pure colors at higher brightness levels for truly natural pictures.
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  • Object-Based HDR Remaster: With Object-based HDR remaster, the color in individual objects on screen is analyzed and the contrast adjusted; unlike most TVs where contrast is only adjusted along one black-to-white contrast curve. Because objects are remastered individually, this TV can reproduce greater depth, textures, and more realistic pictures. By analyzing the objects in each scene individually, Object-based HDR remaster optimizes and enhances color and contrast. It brings everything you watch closer to the quality of HDR. Dark elements get darker, bright elements brighter, and everything in between is more accurately lit, for realism in every scene never-before-possible on our TVs. You'll see contours on mountains, hidden textures on flowers, depth in clouds, and wildlife has the contrast and color of nature, for a more natural and realistic picture on screen.
  • Dynamic Contrast Enhancer: The Dynamic Contrast Enhancer optimizes the range of brightness frame-by-frame according to what's happening on screen to reproduce deeper blacks, brighter whites, and more video color.
4K X-Reality Pro Upscaler w/ Dual Database Processing: Sony's 4K X-Reality Pro Upscaler w/ Dual Database Processing enhances Ultra-HD, HD, and SD images by analyzing and refining images with beautifully natural detail and clarity. One database is used to clean the picture, reducing on-screen noise. The other is used to upscale the resolution, improving clarity. These two powerful image improvement databases work together, dynamically improving pixels in real time. Each database has tens of thousands of references, amassed from our experience creating content for TV and movies over the years. With 4K X-Reality PRO and Dual Database Processing, every image is upscaled closer to true 4K quality for remarkable clarity. This 4K television upscales your favorite TV shows, DVD and Blu-ray movies, even video-on-demand content, and smartphone videos to Ultra-HD.
  • Noise Reduction Database: Compressed noise is identified by the database, which includes "before and after" data on what a picture should look like and removes the compressed picture noise
  • Upscaling Database: The upscaling database also includes "before and after" data, which is used to upscale the signal and create a more realistic picture
TRILUMINOS Display: Unique to Sony, a TRILUMINOS Display with its specially developed backlight selectively maps colors across a wider gamut, ensuring subtle colors do not become oversaturated and unnatural. You'll enjoy vivid, authentic images that evoke the emotion in every scene. TRILUMINOS Display uses a wider color spectrum than a conventional flat-panel TV display. A TRILUMINOS Display excels at reproducing reds, greens, and blues; colors that are notoriously difficult for TVs to display accurately. It also displays skin tones beautifully, thanks to its extensive color palette and precise gradation.
X-tended Dynamic Range Pro (6x): X-tended Dynamic Range PRO lets you enjoy beautiful night shots, full of dazzling lights and deeper blacks. With up to 6x the contrast of conventional LED-LCD TVs, this 4K HDR TV with X-tended Dynamic Range PRO ensures dark scenes are darker and bright scenes brighter. By precisely balancing the light output across the screen, dimming some areas and boosting others, X-tended Dynamic Range PRO reveals a brightness range 6x that of a conventional LED-LCD TV. It enhances any source to near HDR quality with a wider range of brightness.
X-Motion Clarity: On some screens, sports and fast action scenes can seem to go by in a blur. Sony's latest X-Motion Clarity technology keeps everything smooth, bright and clear. Each "blink" is individually controlled and its duration optimized, while brightness is boosted when needed, so you won't miss a thing. X-Motion Clarity technology keeps fast action smooth and clear. Moving images are precisely controlled to minimize blur. Even during high speed scenes, pictures stay true with no loss in brightness.
Video Inputs: The Sony Ultra-HD TV is equipped with HDMI 2.0b and 3.5mm video inputs.
  • HDMI 2.0b: The Ultra-HD TV is fitted with four HDMI 2.0b inputs to connect your Ultra-HD/HDR and HD sources; such as Ultra Blu-ray, Blu-ray, Satellite/Cable and Playstation. In addition, any HDMI input can be used to connect a PC to this TV. The HDMI inputs will accept 4K, 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p, and 480i signals. HDMI inputs 2 & 3 will do 4K (60Hz), while HDMI inputs 1 & 4 will only support 4K (30/24Hz).
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    • 4:4:4 Color Subsampling: All four HDMI inputs will support up to 4:4:4 chroma subsampling for full color data rendering of 4K video (30/60fps). 4:2:2 (30/60fps) and 4:2:0 (60fps) are also supported by all HDMI inputs. With 4:4:4 color, luminance (brightness) and chroma (color) are sampled at the same rate, resulting in an RGB color palette as big as the video sampling rate for a video image with more total colors, plus greater color accuracy and detail.
  • 3.5mm AV Input: In addition to HDMI connectivity, there is also a 3.5mm AV input for connection of an analog audio/video component. There are no standard composite or component video inputs.
Note: The TV has built-in over-the-air HDTV (ATSC) and Clear QAM tuners with an RF-coaxial input, so you don't need a separate set-top box to receive and decode over-the-air HDTV/SDTV or unencrypted Digital Cable signals.
Picture Adjustments: The TV offers a variety of screen, picture, and video adjustments to maximize image quality.
  • Screen Modes: The Screen Modes feature allows you to select the screen display which fits the current video image and TV screen best. Choose from Wide Zoom, Normal, Full, Zoom, or Auto Wide. Based on the original signal source, you may see black bars around the picture or just on the both sides of the screen. Sometimes you will see the picture fill the full screen.
  • Picture Modes: You can select one of the following picture modes - Standard, Vivid, Cinema (Pro/Home), Sports, Animation, Photo (Standard/Vivid/Custom), Game, or Custom.
  • Advanced Video Settings: The Advanced Video Settings menu offers further adjustment of the TV's video image.
    • Brightness: You can increase or decrease the brightness of an image by adjusting the TV's Brightness, Contrast, Gamma (adjusts light/dark balance), Black Level, and Black Adjust (enhances black areas).
    • Color: You can tailor the color of an image by adjusting the TV's Color, Hue, Color Temperature (white balance), Color Space (sets color reproduction range), or Live Color (produces vivid colors).
    • Clarity: You can improve the clarity of an image by adjusting the TV's Sharpness, Reality Creation (increases clarity), Resolution (increases detail), Smooth Gradation (prevents false contours) and Noise reduction (removes noise).
    • Motion: Activate Sony's Motionflow technology to reduce motion blur and judder. CineMotion provides improved picture movement and reduces picture blur and graininess for film-based content, like Blu-ray & DVD.
Light Sensor & Advanced Contrast Enhancer (ACE): The TV's built-in Light Sensor automatically adjusts the picture brightness based on the amount of light in the room. As a result, you can enjoy automatic customized picture brightness and save energy without lifting a finger. The televisions Advance Contrast Enhancer (ACE) automatically adjusts backlight and contrast to the most suitable setting judging from the brightness of the screen. This setting is especially effective for dark scenes, and will increase the contrast distinction for the darker picture scenes.
Live Color Technology: Powered by an image processor using an algorithm specially developed by Sony, Live Color is able to reproduce incredibly vivid colors on screen. With four user-adjustable settings available (High/Medium/Low/Off), you can choose just how vivid you want your images to be. Whether it's a brilliant blue sky or a bright red rose, everything stands out so much more with Live Color.
24pTrue Cinema (24p Input Capability): Many movies are filmed at 24 frames per second (fps) and prime time TV programs are video taped at 24p. Seizing on an opportunity, some studios are taking a purist approach and encoding high definition video content such as Blu-ray Disc in 24p. Sony wisely takes advantage of this by including 24p input capability via HDMI on this television producing images that are smooth and natural looking.
Audio Features

ARC (Audio Return Channel): The Audio Return Channel within the television's HDMI 3 input enables the TV, via a single HDMI cable, to send audio data "upstream" to an A/V receiver; increasing user flexibility and eliminating the need for any separate S/PDIF audio connection. This feature allows audio to be sent from the television to your A/V receiver through the same HDMI cable already being used to send audio/video to the television. This eliminates the need for extra cables connected to the TV. ARC allows audio from the TV tuner, Network connection, inserted USB device, HDMI inputs, or any analog connected device to be heard through your ARC compatible AV receiver via the television's HDMI ARC input.
  • The audio from the TV's tuner, HDMI inputs, USB ports, and Android TV apps can pass as Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital, DTS, or 2ch PCM.
  • Analog connected & DLNA compliant devices will be output audio at 2ch PCM only.
Note: Both the television and the receiver must support ARC for this function to work properly. When connecting an AV receiver that is compatible with Audio Return Channel (ARC), connect it to the TV's HDMI 3 input. If connecting a system that is incompatible Audio Return Channel (ARC), an additional audio connection via Digital Audio Out (Optical) is necessary.
Audio Outputs: The Sony Ultra-HD TV offers analog and digital audio outputs, as well as Bluetooth A2DP.
  • Digital Audio (Dolby Digital/DTS): The optical digital output terminal will output Dolby Digital/DTS (when available) or 2 channel PCM. The digital optical output terminal only sends an audio signal in Dolby Digital/DTS when receiving Dolby Digital/DTS surround sound from a digital broadcast channel through the tuner, network apps, HDMI inputs, and USB ports on the TV. The optical digital audio output will only output in 2ch stereo from sources connected to the TV via RCA.
  • Headphone/Analog Output: The TV's 3.5mm analog output can be used to connect a set of headphones or as an audio output to connect your home theater receiver or soundbar system. You will need a minijack-to-RCA adapter (sold separately) to make a stereo RCA connection between the television and your AV receiver. The TV's analog audio output terminal will output 2ch audio from any of the television's source inputs. You can set the TV's analog output to Fixed or Variable.
  • Bluetooth A2DP: The TV supports Bluetooth A2DP, allowing you to stream audio from the television's built-in and connected sources to a Bluetooth-enabled set of headphones or speakers (only one headphone, one speaker, or one pair of speakers can be connected). Bluetooth headphone volume level can be controlled from both the TV's remote and headphones. AV Sync allows you to adjust the delay between the picture and sound. Sony doesn't guarantee compatibility with all models of Bluetooth headphones.
Note: You can setup the TV to output sound from the TV speakers, the headphone output, and Bluetooth at the same time (this does not include the optical digital output or when the analog output is not set to headphone). Or, you can setup the TV to only output audio from a single output terminal.
S-Force Front Surround: S-Force Front Surround mimics the way the brain correlates sound sources to create proper volume, time lag, and sound wave spectrum; using only left and right speaker channels. By naturally emulating three-dimensional sound fields, you'll enjoy rich, high-fidelity audio across a wider listening area.
ClearAudio+: ClearAudio+ fine-tunes TV sound for an immersive experience that seems to surround you. Hear music, dialog, and surround effects with greater clarity and separation, whatever you're watching.
Digital Sound Enhancement Engine (DSEE): Low-resolution Internet video and other heavily compressed audio files don't always sound so great. A large amount of information gets thrown away when digital audio is compressed. With Digital Sound Enhancement Engine (DSEE) technology, lost frequency components (especially high frequencies) are restored for natural sound with a more spacious feel.
Clear Phase: Sony uses a powerful computer model to analyze and compensate for inaccuracies in speaker response. It does this by "sampling" the speaker frequency with higher precision. This information is fed back to cancel out any peaks or dips in the speaker's natural response; resulting in pure, natural audio with smooth, even reproduction of all frequencies.
EQ: The TV offers four EQ preset sound modes - Standard, Cinema, Music, and Sports. The TV is also equipped with a 7-band EQ (125Hz, 250Hz, 500Hz, 1kHz, 2kHz, 4kHz, 8kHz). You can adjust the level of each band between -12 to +12 dB.
Voice Zoom & Night Mode: The Voice Zoom feature makes voices clearer by lowering background sound. Night mode provides a clear sound at a low volume levels.
Volume Offset & Auto Volume: Volume Offset adjusts the volume level of the current input relative to other inputs. The Advanced Auto Volume function keeps the volume level constant across all programs and advertisements.
TV Position: The speakers of this TV provide different sound images according to how you position the television. You can select between "Table-Top Stand" or "Wall Mount" to provide the best sound quality based on the television's placement.
Network & USB Functions

Wired or Wireless Network Connection: The Sony Ultra-HD TV supports a wired or wireless network connection. Via the TV's network connection you gain access to Android TV and Google Play, as well as content stored on your network computer. You also get the ability to stream content from your Android or Apple iOS mobile device to the TV. In addition, the TV supports WiFi Direct for wireless connectivity between WiFi enabled devices without a router.
  • Ethernet Jack: The Sony TV is equipped with an Ethernet (LAN) RJ-45 jack for connecting the television to your home network and computer. A back cover has to be removed to access the Ethernet port.
  • Built-in WiFi: The Sony TV offers built-in WiFi (802.11ac; 2.4/5GHz) that allows you to wirelessly access the Internet and your home network. The TV's built-in WiFi provides a wireless network connection for the television with easy and quick setup. A wireless connection requires a home network with an 802.11 access point (802.11n or better recommended) and internet connection. Supports WPS, WEP, and WPA security; a dual-band Gigabit wireless-N router is recommended for 4K streaming.
  • WiFi Direct: When using WiFi Direct, you can connect directly with other devices without using a wireless router. You'll be able to wirelessly transfer personal content (such as photos & videos) to the Sony TV without connecting to your home network. WiFi Direct completely bypasses your WiFi access point/router, so it's easy to set up. Streaming of copy-protected content and other certain formats are not supported.
Note: Sony recommends a home network connection speed of at least 2.5 Mbps recommended for standard definition, 10 Mbps for high definition, and 20 Mbps for ultra-high definition.
Android TV w/ Google Play: The Sony Ultra-HD TV is equipped with Android's Nougat (7.0) operating system and incorporates Android TV with access to a wide variety of apps from Google Play which have been optimized for playback on the big screen. Android TV gives you access to movie, music, sports, and other entertainment apps (subscription, rental, or purchase fees may apply). Click here to discover the full collection of Android TV Apps from Google Play. Not all Google Play apps will be Android TV compatible. More applications and streaming services will be available in the future. Popular apps include -
Notes:
  • 4K & 4K HDR network streaming requires a network speed of 20Mbps or greater. A wired Ethernet connection is recommended over a wireless WiFi connection for better performance. If you desire a WiFi connection, then use a dual-band Gigabit wireless-N router (or better) for 4K streaming.
  • In order to use Sony's Android TV, you must consent to Google's Terms of Service and Privacy Policy.
  • Make sure the Sony television has the latest software/firmware updates installed.
Mobile Device Streaming: The Sony Ultra-HD TV allows you to wirelessly stream content from a compatible mobile device using ChromeCast Built-in for playback on the big screen. You can also "mirror" your compatible mobile device using Miracast. You can setup the TV to automatically turn on when you begin "casting" or "mirroring" content from a compatible mobile device.
  • Chromecast Built-in: Chromecast Built-in lets you cast your favorite entertainment apps and video content from your Android (OS 4.4.2+) or Apple iOS (8.0+) device to the Sony Ultra-HD TV. Now you can cast your favorites movies or TV shows (on Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, Google Play, HBO Now, PlayStation Vue and more); your favorite music and radio stations (on Spotify, Pandora, iHeartRadio, TuneIn, YouTube Music, and more); Sports highlights (on ESPN, NBC, CBS, and more); plus photos & videos (on YouTube, Google Photos, and more) from your compatible Android or Apple iOS device to the Sony TV. For a list of all compatible Chromecast Built-in apps click here.
  • Miracast: Miracast is a "screen mirroring" function which lets you wirelessly send the display from your compatible Windows 8.1+ or Android 4.2+ device (with support for Miracast) to the Sony TV. This allows you to view practically any content that is playing on your compatible Windows or Android device on your TV screen; no wireless router or access point required.
Vewd Web Browser: You can download and install the Vewd Web Browser to access select web content through the Sony TV. The built-in web browser also allows you to enter URLs and do basic keyword searches, so you can browse select websites (text-based only). The Vewd Web Browser is not a full search engine for the Internet and Web. For Internet audio/video/photo content, use the Android TV apps. Some web-pages may not be supported and too large for download. The browsing experience may not be the same as it is on your computer. The web browser is not compatible with Flash video and Java applications. E-commerce, for purchasing products online is not supported. ActiveX is not supported.
Google Play Games w/ Gamepad: Download select video games from Google Play and play them on the big screen without the need for any game console. You can connect up to four wireless gamepads (sold separately) for multi-player gaming. Google Play Games even syncs your progress and achievements across your devices, so you can start playing on your Android smartphone or tablet and then move to the Sony TV when you get home.
Photo Sharing Plus: With Photo Sharing Plus, friends and family can share their memories together on the big screen from their Android (2.3+) or Apple iOS (6+) devices. Up to 10 mobile devices can be connected to the TV at once for a fun interactive experience. User can even save their favorite pics between devices.
Media Streaming: The Sony TV allows you to stream a variety of audio, video, and photo content from USB mass storage class devices and DLNA certified devices. Compatible media formats include MP3/WMA/AAC/WAV/FLAC music files, MPEG/MP4/AVI/MKV/MOV/Xvid/WMA video files, and JPEG photo files.
  • DLNA Certified: DLNA certification allows you to enjoy various content from your home network, such as photo , music, and video files stored on your Windows 7/8/10 PC (or other DLNA Certified media server/Android device) on the Sony HDTV. The TV can be connected to your compatible PC using a hardwired Ethernet (LAN) connection or WiFi connection (via built-in WiFi). This eliminates the need to copy your photo, video, and music files to a separate USB storage device.
  • Triple USB Ports: The Sony TV features three USB type-A ports (two 2.0/one 3.0) for sharing your photos or videos, and listening to music from a connected USB MSC (Mass Storage Class) compliant device that is formatted in FAT 16/32, exFAT, or NTFS. Even 4K photos & videos that you've downloaded to your USB-enabled device can be played back on the TV in Ultra-HD 4K. The USB ports will also charge your connected devices (max: 5V, 500A/900A).
Automatic Software Updates: Automatic software updates are done through the TV's Ethernet (LAN) port or built-in WiFi. The TV's software updates when the television is in standby mode. Visit the Sony eSupport site for the latest software updates.
Remote, Voice, & App Control

Remote w/ Built-in Mic (IR blaster included): The remote offers soft push-button control and features a built-in mic for voice recognition. The built-in microphone provides voice control of select Android TV functions through the built-in Google Assistant. The remote even has dedicated Google Play & Netflix buttons, so you can access your Netflix movies and TV shows quicker. The included IR Blaster allows you to operate a set-top box and/or AV receiver that is connected to the television, with the Sony TV's remote control.
Note: The remote's microphone and voice control function operate via Bluetooth, while all other remote functions are done through IR.
Digital Voice Assistant Control: The Sony UHD TV will support voice control of select functions through the built-in Google Assistant & optional Amazon Alexa enabled devices via a wireless network connection.
  • Google Assistant: The Sony TV supports the Google Assistant through its Android operating system and the included IR remote's built-in microphone. Simply trigger the Google Assistant by pressing the mic button on the remote and then speak into the microphone after hearing an audible prompt. You can ask the Google Assistant to turn volume up/down, change channels and inputs, search content on select built-in Android TV apps, and control basic playback functions. In addition to TV voice commands, you can use the Google Assistant to control connected smart home devices and other Google Home enabled devices. The Google Assistant can also be used to find answers for many of your daily questions through Google's advanced search engine. The TV also supports voice control through the Google Home family of wireless speakers (sold separately - see Accessories tab) and other Google Assistant enabled devices (sold separately - see Accessories tab).
  • Amazon Alexa: Alexa-enabled devices (including the Amazon Echo family of speakers, sold separately - see Accessories tab) will be able to control key functions of the Sony TV. With this new feature you can simply use your voice to turn the Sony TV on or off, change channels, change inputs, control volume, and control playback functions of select streaming content. Click here for setup instructions.
Remote Apps: The Sony Ultra-HD TV offers remote control capability through your Android or Apple iOS device via the Android TV Remote App (for Android only) or Sony's Video & TV SideView Remote App (for Android & Apple iOS). Apple iPad users can even use the Spotlight by Samba TV app with the Sony UHD TV to get content recommendations.
  • Android TV Remote: The Android TV Remote App from Google Play lets you use your Android (OS 4.0+) smartphone or tablet as a remote to control the Sony television's Android TV functions. Easily navigate content and play games on your compatible Android TV device. The remote app offers voice search and an on-screen keyboard, giving you full control of Android TV from your smartphone or tablet. Simply tap the on-screen mic button to start a voice search, or use the keyboard to input text on Android TV. If you know what you want to watch, just say it into your smartphone or tablet's microphone and the Sony television will find it within its Android TV and Google Play applications.
  • Video & TV SideView Remote: With the free Sony Video & TV SideView App (for Apple iOS 9.0+ and Android OS 4.4+), you can control the Sony TV and browse its content from your compatible smartphone or tablet device. The Video & TV SideView App will allow your compatible Apple iOS or Android device to act as a remote control and software keyboard for the Sony TV. You'll be able to search what's available to watch on broadcast stations and video on-demand apps. You can even pull up the TV's channel guide on your smartphone or tablet without interfering with the what you're watching on the TV. You also get to learn more about the show you're watching right now, like cast and episode details. In addition, you can tweet about what you're watching from your mobile device or see what fellow fans are tweeting about in real time. You'll also be able to stream your videos, pictures, and music stored on your Apple iOS/Android device to the TV.
  • Spotlight by Samba TV App: The Spotlight by Samba TV app (for Apple iPad iOS 9.0+) offers tailor-made ads, notifications and behind the scenes info about your favorite shows and actors on your compatible Apple iPad device. The Spotlight by Samba TV synchronizes the experience you have on your tablet with what you're watching on TV, to suggest new appealing content.
Bravia Sync: This TV is equipped with Bravia Sync, an HDMI Control function that allows communication between Sony TVs and other Sony equipment when they are connected via HDMI. Bravia Sync helps you connect compatible Sony Bravia HDMI equipment, such as a Blu-ray player or AV amplifier, to the TV and control the external equipment using the television's remote control. With the "Control for HDMI" function, Bravia Sync helps to communicate with Bravia Sync-compatible equipment using HDMI CEC (Consumer Electronics Control). Bravia Sync-compatible equipment is listed as a new input source in the television's menu. The television offers the following Bravia Sync operations for the listed device.
  • BD/DVD Player: Automatically turns the BRAVIA Sync-compatible device on and switches the input to that device when you select it from the Home Menu or Sync Menu. Automatically turns the TV on and switches the input to the connected device when the device starts to play
  • AV Amplifier: Automatically turns the connected AV amplifier on and switches the sound output from the TV speaker to the audio system when you turn the TV on; this function is only available if you have previously used the AV amplifier to output TV sound. Automatically switches the sound output to the AV amplifier by turning the AV amplifier on when the TV is turned on. Automatically turns the connected AV amplifier off when you switch the TV to standby mode. Adjusts the volume (VOL +/-) and mutes the sound (MUTING) of the connected AV amplifier through the TV's remote control.
  • Video Camera: Automatically turns the TV on and switches the input to the connected video camera when the connected video camera is turned on. Automatically turns the connected video camera off when you switch the TV to standby mode. Controls menu operation, playback, and channel selection of the connected video camera through the TV's remote
Note: Control for HDMI (Bravia Sync) is only available for the connected Sony equipment that has the Bravia Sync logo.
Optional Harmony Hub: Enjoy home automation control directly from the Sony Android TV, via the Logitech Harmony Hub (596HMNYHUB, sold separately). Everything from lights (including Phillips Hue), thermostats (including Nest) and security cameras, to other home entertainment systems can now be controlled at the push of a button on the Sony TV's remote control. This feature requires all compatible devices be connected to the same WiFi wireless network.
PlayStation DualShock 4 Controller (sold separately): If you have a Sony PlayStation 4, your DualShock 4 controller can become the TV's remote by downloading the BRAVIA TV Player app on your PlayStation 4 through the PlayStation Store. You'll also be able to control your PlayStation 4's on-screen user interface with the TV's remote.
Keyboard/Mouse Compatible: You can connect a USB- or Bluetooth-enabled keyboard and mouse (both sold separately) to the television for easier web browsing. You can move the cursor with the mouse and enter text with a compatible keyboard. Not all web-based apps support keyboard/mouse control.
Serial Port: You can connect the 3.5mm serial port to an external control device (such as a computer or A/V control system) to control the TV's functions externally.
Convenience Features

Content Search: The TV offers unique ways to search and access your favorite and new content from the TV's tuner and Android TV apps.
  • Program Guide: You can quickly find your preferred programs and the detailed program information. The current program information and weekly program guides for the next eight days are provided.
  • Discover Button & Content Bar: You can use the remote's Discover button to search for content across platforms (TV Antenna, Android TV, Apps, etc.). Content is then displayed along the unobtrusive "Content Bar" at the bottom of the TV screen which quickly lets you find the movie, TV show, or video you're looking for. Call up the Content Bar and you can keep watching, while you scan through live TV, on demand, downloaded TV shows, and much more. You can even customize the Content Bar to show you the content you go to most often first.
  • Android TV Recommendations: Personalized content recommendations from Google Play, YouTube and your apps appear automatically in the TV's home screen. So if you are having trouble figuring out what to watch, let Sony's Android TV recommend something for you and the family to watch.
  • Voice Search: Simply activate the Voice Search function through the included remote control and built-in Google Assistant or the Android TV App on your Apple iOS or Android smartphone/tablet. If you know what you want to watch, just say it into the device's microphone and the Sony television will find it within its Android TV and Google Play applications.
  • Keyword Search: You can type in a keyword to search for TV shows, movies, and music. Simply enter in the track title, album name, or movie title.
Action Menu: By pressing the "Action Menu" button on the remote, a menu appears and provides quick access to the functions that are available for the currently displayed screen, such as picture adjustment, sound adjustment, volume adjustment for the connected device (such as headphones), and display/audio change. The items in the menu differ depending on the selected screen.
Samba Interactive TV: Samba Interactive TV enhances the Sony TV by enabling new features like interest-based advertisements, program notifications, and behind the scenes information about your favorite shows and actors. Similar to apps like the Spotlight App (for Apple iOS), Samba Interactive TV synchronizes your experience on your tablet with what you are watching on the TV, and unlocks exclusive content and features.
  • Samba TV uses mainstream TV shows, commercials, and movies to provide interest-based advertisements. Samba TV looks at content from video sources connected to your TV, such as your Blu-ray Disc player or set-top box, etc (the TV's Internal Internet App content isn't currently included). Samba TV doesn't gather any information about your personal videos or non-mainstream internet video you watch on your TV.
  • Samba TV technology is designed to anonymously analyze statistical data captured from the video content you watch. Then, it provides interest-based advertisements, special offers, and new interactive features based on your viewing habits. No images of what's on the screen ever leaves the TV, and your viewing profile used for interest-based advertisements is associated with your TV, and not with you personally.
Notes: You can choose to "Enable" or "Disable" the Samba Interactive TV feature during the television's initial setup. Samba TV will clear your current viewing profile and prepare a new profile if you reset your advertising profile or do a TV factory reset in the television's system menu.
Netflix Recommended: This Sony Ultra-HD TV is a Netflix Recommended TV. This is due to the fact that it offers a unique feature set which makes Netflix even easier to use and enjoy. The Sony TV has an Instant On feature so the TV wakes and apps are ready to use right away. In addition, the TV turns on and launches Netflix with one press of the Netflix button on the included IR remote. Online apps, including Netflix, can resume quickly and return where you left off. Its Android TV interface enables easy navigation and switching between apps and inputs.
Power Management Functions: This Sony TV incorporates advanced power saving features such as Light Sensor Technology, Advance Contrast Enhancer, and the following Power Management functions.
  • Power Saving: This feature reduces the power consumption by adjusting the backlight brightness of the TV's screen. You can select from Low, High, Off and Picture Off.
  • Idle TV Standby: Automatically powers off the TV after 1, 2, or 4 hours when no buttons are pressed on the remote control or the TV.
  • Auto Shut Off: Automatically powers off the TV when no input signal is detected for approximately 15 minutes.
Timers: The Sony TV offers a TV timer and Sleep timer. The TV Timer turns on the television from the standby mode at a time you set, and tunes to a channel or input of your preference. The sleep timer switches the television off after a specified amount of time. The sleep timer can be set to 15, 30, 45, 60, 90, or 120 minutes.
Parental Control: You can select a viewing limitation based on the TV and movie ratings. Three presets are available (Child, Youth, and Young Adult) or the limitation can be customized to specific industry ratings. You can also block specific channels. The control is accessed and protected by a 4-digit password. You can also block certain channels or inputs regardless of program ratings.
Help Guide: The Sony TV comes with a Quick Setup Guide booklet. The TV also features an on-screen Help Guide for more detailed information.
Mounting Options

Pedestal Feet w/ Cable Management: The Sony TV comes with two pedestal feet that uses an inverted V-shape design to ensure stability and create the ideal place for a soundbar speaker to sit below the television. All of your cables can be neatly channeled into the pedestal feet and up to the back of the TV for a clean, professional looking installation. The pedestal feet and TV do not swivel. The TV is shipped with the pedestal feet unattached. The television weighs 80.9 lbs with the pedestal feet attached.
Optional Wall Mount Brackets: The television can be wall mounted using an optional wall-mount bracket (sold separately). The TV has four threaded screw inserts that are spaced 400mm (h) x 300mm (v) apart. The threaded inserts will accept M6 (6mm) screws. The TV screen is edged with a slim, narrow aluminum frame that maximizes the viewing area and looks beautiful on your wall. The TV weighs 77.1 lbs without the stand.
Ventilation Clearance: When mounting the TV on the stand or a wall (with optional bracket) leave 4" of clearance on each side of the television and 11.875" above the television for adequate ventilation. Attached AC Power Cord: The television is fitted with an attached 5' AC power cord which is terminated by a straight two-prong AC plug. The AC plug sits 1.5" from the wall.

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Very informative, thank you. I have been using the custom picture mode for SDR/HDR and am happy with how I have my content looking. Thanks for the tip on setting up the ATV, it didn't make sense to me why the UI, apps were displaying in DV. I'll try and bump up some of the basic settings gamma, colour like you mentioned and see if I can get something closer to what I like. Thanks again!
You are welcome.

I, too, thought that displaying the UI in HDR10 or DV was also kind of strange. It confused me enough to get me to explore further and find out how how Match and Format options interact. How it works makes sense, but how it is configured is opaque and unintuitive.
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Hello Everyone,
I just bought a 55 inch 900F tonight from best buy.

I am a Samsung guy and prefer its color and styling/functionality and use over Sony.

Bought a 55inch Samsung NU8000 just 16 days ago and I really loved that TV.Really fun,awesome remote,easy to use,great layout and just amazing organization of options/settings and quality out the box.After playing with settings I got it to where movies and shows looked great for me.I know standard tv wont show the full power/quality of 4k but it is what is.I was fine with my settings on the NU8000 and enjoying it.Main complaint of was lack of deeper blacks and thats pretty much it.

After 8 days I started to hear this ticking and clicking noise from the back panel.I googled it and many others had similar issues and complaints about it.It would come on and off randomly but aleast once a day and last 20-30 mins at a time very audibly.I called Samsung and they act as if it was not a big deal and tried some troubleshooting but basically said it was nothing.After the 16th day which was today I had enough as I could not figure how to get it to stop as today it did it for an hr.

I already knew of this tv but it was more than I wanted to pay honestly.I thought if I bought the Samsung again the same issue could come back as others rebought and returned again.

So far this tv is definitely not as fun to use and I hate this big ass outdated remote and menus settings.Main issue is the remote tho.So far it appears the picture quality is better but I have only watched a few shows and will be doing more tests tomorrow.This TV has alot of potential for sure.

I mainly just game and watch regular tv shows/Espn with movies and Netflix here and there.I don't watch blu ray but I want to definitely use apps more to get more use of the 4k quality.

Any tips or settings to use to improve quality and ease of use or apps?
So far I have not updated the firmware.

Anyone in here come from the NU8000 and can compare the 2 tvs having spent time with the 900F?

As of now while I do like the picture,Im missing the NU8000
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I got this TV last month. It has been, disappointingly, a pain in the ass regarding 4K technology RE: the 120Hz panel.

I've tried to Google recent results about this to no avail. I've found that older movies don't look ideal on my Sony X900F. The quality is excellent, but there's a jarring, artificial look to certain movements that can't be ignored. Tried this on multiple 4K Blu discs.

I've turned all MotionFlow settings off. I've put on 24p auto-detection. Nothing has remedied the issue.

Is this an issue on all 120 Hz TV's, or do I have to go for a TV with a 60 Hz panel to get the look I want?
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