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It's looking more and more like the best thing is just to wait until next year to buy a TV, if at all possible. Sony is just standing still this year. Samsung is putting a few HDMI 2.1 features in, but not all of them.

Next year EVERY manufacturer will have HDMI 2.1. The "Sony 900G" will have VRR, dynamic HDR, fast mode switching, auto game mode, low latency with fast frame display, ect.

Anyway, that is what I am seeing. It's not really anyones fault. HDMI 2.1 simply wasnt ready for 2018.
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900F - 75 Inch

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It's looking more and more like the best thing is just to wait until next year to buy a TV, if at all possible. Sony is just standing still this year. Samsung is putting a few HDMI 2.1 features in, but not all of them.

Next year EVERY manufacturer will have HDMI 2.1. The "Sony 900G" will have VRR, dynamic HDR, fast mode switching, auto game mode, low latency with fast frame display, ect.

Anyway, that is what I am seeing. It's not really anyones fault. HDMI 2.1 simply wasnt ready for 2018.
For those wanting a 85+ TV that’s not recommended since the manufacturer’s have not being releasing new 85+ models every year.
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Okay, got it.
Nice! Any chance of a zone count as all i have seen is the 65' and am curious how many more if any the 75 has as that is the size i am after!
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It's looking more and more like the best thing is just to wait until next year to buy a TV, if at all possible. Sony is just standing still this year. Samsung is putting a few HDMI 2.1 features in, but not all of them.

Next year EVERY manufacturer will have HDMI 2.1. The "Sony 900G" will have VRR, dynamic HDR, fast mode switching, auto game mode, low latency with fast frame display, ect.

Anyway, that is what I am seeing. It's not really anyones fault. HDMI 2.1 simply wasnt ready for 2018.
I hear the exact same comment every year. Technology always changes. If you are always waiting for the best yet to be released standard, you'll be waiting a very very long time.
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I hear the exact same comment every year. Technology always changes. If you are always waiting for the best yet to be released standard, you'll be waiting a very very long time.
HDMI 2.1 is huge tho and "future-proof" for many years to come as far as HDMI capabilities/bandwidth go

its also pretty much a TVs holy grail for gamers/PC gamers


the panels/PQ will always improve incremently though, yeah
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HDMI 2.1 is huge tho and "future-proof" for many years to come as far as HDMI capabilities/bandwidth go

its also pretty much a TVs holy grail for gamers/PC gamers


the panels/PQ will always improve incremently though, yeah
hdmi 2.1 is only huge (well, potentially) for gamers. If one doesn't game then it isn't that big a deal and there isn't much point in waiting for it if one is wanting a TV now. The support for 8k is useless on a 4k TV and the high framerate stuff isn't that big a deal as there's not going to be this sudden shift to 4k/120hz content any time soon.

eARC is a good feature yet I believe I have read it could be added to hdmi 2.0 TVs if manus wanted to.

dynamic hdr doesn't need 2.1 either as we obviously see with DV on current sets and HDR10+ on some other sets.

quick media switching is hardly a got-to-have-it feature for most.

If someone wants a TV now yet doesn't game then I really have no clue why they'd wait for hdmi 2.1 especially since they will have to upgrade all their other equipment. They can say they want it to future proof but I don't think that makes much sense since by the time the "future proof" stuff comes out, they'll probably want a new tv (8k) any way or a tv but even if not, by that time there will be enough advances in PQ (think higher HDR brightness and with LCD, superior local dimming) that they will probably look to upgrade. I also expect something new will come out in the tech world that they will then want to "future proof" for.

I have never seen anything that was said to be future proof actually be, well, future proof.
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I would also like to see ATSC 3.0 tuners on theses TVs.
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Hope to have some Thursday.....
Great. If you could comment on upscaling from normal sources like DirectTV/Cable, perception of brightness in a well lit room, reflections, blooming, motion, how the picture quality looks for gaming, and gaming lag (if you game that is), that would be very helpful
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Great. If you could comment on upscaling from normal sources like DirectTV/Cable, perception of brightness in a well lit room, reflections, blooming, motion, how the picture quality looks for gaming, and gaming lag (if you game that is), that would be very helpful
Be glad to tho I don't game on TV. Use PC.
Btw how do you count the zones? Do I need a calibration disc?
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Hello all,

I have just purchased the 55 inch version. It's arriving on Friday. I'm looking forward to using it with various sources over the weekend and figuring out the best settings. Will let you all know my opinion on Sunday if anyone else is interested.
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Be glad to tho I don't game on TV. Use PC.
Btw how do you count the zones? Do I need a calibration disc?
See this thread from the Q9 Owners thread. They use a youtube video. About the 4th post down.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...ce-talk-2.html
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One thing I am a bit worried about on the 85" is the stand width is 68 1/4 inch. You will need a wide stand.
Mine is 66 inches so I guess the legs will hang over a little bit. They said they made it wide was so you could put a sound bar in front of the set. I don't use a sound bar.

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One thing I am a bit worried about on the 85" is the stand width is 68 1/4 inch. You will need a wide stand.
Mine is 66 inches so I guess the legs will hang over a little bit. They said they made it wide was so you could put a sound bar in front of the set. I don't use a sound bar.

That is rather wide. Fortunately my stand is at least 6 feet wide and a couple of feet in depth, so if I did get this I'd be fine. I use surround sound speakers so crippling the fun of movie night with a sound bar isn't gonna do it :-). I really want to see how this performs in bright conditions on normal directtv like content. So far the best buys near me don't have it. I see the high ratings from rratings but seeing is believing :-).
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It's looking more and more like the best thing is just to wait until next year to buy a TV, if at all possible. Sony is just standing still this year. Samsung is putting a few HDMI 2.1 features in, but not all of them.

Next year EVERY manufacturer will have HDMI 2.1. The "Sony 900G" will have VRR, dynamic HDR, fast mode switching, auto game mode, low latency with fast frame display, ect.

Anyway, that is what I am seeing. It's not really anyones fault. HDMI 2.1 simply wasnt ready for 2018.
Adding Dolby Vision and X-Luminus is not what I'd call "Standing still"

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Adding Dolby Vision and X-Luminus is not what I'd call "Standing still"
it's called x motion clarity, the only new feature that hasn't been seen on sony TV's before. you cant use a preset movie or game mode to use it, you have to use custom motion setting to use x motion clarity, that's what I made from the review.
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Adding Dolby Vision and X-Luminus is not what I'd call "Standing still"
And adding the 4K HDR Processor X1 Extreme. Same chip on Z9D.
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Hopefully this TV will reach $999 on black friday. Right now the 55" is priced exactly the same as the 930E and that is a better TV.

My only concern about the 930E is if they will get disc based Dolby Vision working.
That’s for all models with Sony Processors, not just the 930E. I’ve read from Forbes I believe, that Oppo is working on their players to get it going through HDMI on the Sonys and once the DV update finally hits the 900F, all models should have it working at least with the x700 UHD player. ( https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...o-respond/amp/ ).

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Great, that's encouraging.
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Only place I can find online that is actually selling the 85 inch version is a place out of NY called value electronics. No prices listed makes me wonder how legit the store is.
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Only place I can find online that is actually selling the 85 inch version is a place out of NY called value electronics. No prices listed makes me wonder how legit the store is.
Extremely legit. Bought 2 sets from them.
They host the annual TV shoot out for the best TV. You will have to call to get the new price.
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X900F - 75 Inch

First couple of days with the 75 inch have been great, and I haven't even had a chance to tune the stock settings yet (except for enabling X-Motion Clarity). The picture is pretty damn amazing, and the colors are incredible. I am very tech-savvy, but not AV-settings savvy, so if anyone has requests for me to check this, that, or the other (e.g., zones), you will need to provide me with some steps on how to accomplish it.
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Does anyone know what kind of wall mount would work for the 85 inch beast? Would it just be a typical vesa style mount?
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Does anyone know what kind of wall mount would work for the 85 inch beast? Would it just be a typical vesa style mount?
VESA 400 x 400 rated for at least 150lbs as per rtings.com


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Does anyone know what kind of wall mount would work for the 85 inch beast? Would it just be a typical vesa style mount?
The 85" uses a 400 x 400 VESA mount, looks like it is centered on the back of the TV. It weighs 100 lbs. I ordered the "Kanto Full-Motion TV Wall Mount for 37-inch to 75-inch Flat-Screen Monitor" from Amazon. It handles 125 lbs max and is nice low profile. I have 16" stud spacing (outside wall). If you have 24" spacing you need a different mount.

Specs are on the Sony website if you want to verify.
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Sony will ship March 30th. Darn, I was hoping for next week to get the 85" 900F.
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it's called x motion clarity, the only new feature that hasn't been seen on sony TV's before. you cant use a preset movie or game mode to use it, you have to use custom motion setting to use x motion clarity, that's what I made from the review.
From what I've gathered so far this is also active in the Motionflow 'Standard' preset. Normally this is interpolation only but one of the reviews mentions it also has bfi active. Since the brightness is still quite good it almost has to be the 'XMC'. On the other hand the Clear preset is now comparable to Custom sliders on Max and makes it much darker than before.
So XMC most likely is available on Standard and Clearness 1 (Clearness 2 and up is regular BFI again)
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First couple of days with the 75 inch have been great, and I haven't even had a chance to tune the stock settings yet (except for enabling X-Motion Clarity). The picture is pretty damn amazing, and the colors are incredible. I am very tech-savvy, but not AV-settings savvy, so if anyone has requests for me to check this, that, or the other (e.g., zones), you will need to provide me with some steps on how to accomplish it.
Please check zones as i am curious how many the 75 has as thats what i will be purchasing

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...out-zones.html

 Fortunately, there is an easy way to count zones on your own. In a darkened room, turn the TV's contrast and backlight controls all the way up. Then, watch the following video full-screen and count the rows and columns as the zones light up. Multiply the two numbers, and you've got a TV's zone count. Alternately, you can use a computer to drag the mouse pointer along the screen's edges while displaying a full-screen black field. Each zone will light up as the cursor passes through it.

Vertical times horizontal = total zones

Type in AVS zone count on your TVs youtube app

https://youtu.be/1P4FNftgQOQ

If you dont mind i am very curious!
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So what are the chances the 85 900F’s PQ would be on par with my 940D? Or even better than my 940D?
Since rtings never did a proper review of the 940D, it’s hard to compare apples to apples. Also, rtings will never review the 85” 900F.
My room really needs an 85 set. The 75 looks smallish, but I absolutely cannot take a step back in PQ.
I think the 900F will be brighter for sure... I wonder about the zone count on the 85 - that’s a big display to have a low zone count.

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