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I have an 85" on the way and hope I don't have any problems. My last Sony (SXRD XBRI and XBRII) had constant problems and I swore I'd never buy another Sony but thought I'd give this one a try. On a good note I don't think I've read about any problems with the 85" yet.
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I plan to replace my current 75 Samsung with the 75 or 85 900F. I put a link to my current TV below. I think going to a FALD from the edge lit Samsung will be a nice upgrade.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/h7150

Would you all agree I wont be disappointed?
If the space and budget allows spring for the 85" to eliminate the nagging questions of "Should I have gone bigger?" That by itself will be the most noticeable upgrade from your Samsung 75.

Unlike the Samsung, the 900F will get a Dolby Vision update in the future, and the x1 extreme processor of the Sony upscales 1080p content very well.
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What mounts are you 85 inch owners using? I'm looking at full monitor mounts at monoprice.
I'm using a Sanus VMPL3 mount that's rated up to 285 lbs and secured on 3 studs but it only tilts up or down. If I were to do a full articulating mount I'd make sure it would support at least 150 lbs. and would use 3 studs for peace of mind.
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What mounts are you 85 inch owners using? I'm looking at full monitor mounts at monoprice.
Since the TV is a light 96.6 pounds I vote for the Peerless SA771PU, all you have to do is look at it and see why it is the best articulating mount.
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Just fired up a 65" X900F for the first time, first impression is this is a great picture for the price.
A suggestion you made earlier regarding increasing the backlight in a bright room really paid off for me. I have been so frustrated with the bright room performance of my admitedly antique 79XBR900 I was ready to buy anything that promised better control of room reflections, instead of waiting for a replacement for the Z9D in a larger size. My set was professionally calibrated by Jeff Meyer and backlight was at 5. I changed it to 6 and it was like night and day in viewability in a bright room. The loss in color accuracy is more than offset by how I can now see the picture. So, thanks. Now I can comfortably wait for the larger sizes.

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What mounts are you 85 inch owners using? I'm looking at full monitor mounts at monoprice.
This is the one I got for the Vizio P75. The Vizio is 103 lbs so actually a little heavier than the 85" Sony and its extremely sturdy. Looks like they are getting more in soon.

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A suggestion you made earlier regarding increasing the backlight in a bright room really paid off for me. I have been so frustrated with the bright room performance of my admitedly antique 79XBR900 I was ready to buy anything that promised better control of room reflections, instead of waiting for a replacement for the Z9D in a larger size. My set was professionally calibrated by Jeff Meyer and backlight was at 5. I changed it to 6 and it was like night and day in viewability in a bright room. The loss in color accuracy is more than offset by how I can now see the picture. So, thanks. Now I can comfortably wait for the larger sizes.
How bright is your room?
I have a fairly bright room and I've settled in at brightness 9. There doesn't seem to be a very noticeable difference unless I change it at least 3 points up/down.
The "light sensor" almost always suggests a darker brightness than I have it at though so I'm wondering if I've set it too bright.
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Anyone noticed any sign of edge bleed on this set?
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I got my 65" X900F on Saturday... some minor things: I'm not a huge fan of the new "feet" supports. I had to set them inwards to fit it on my TV stand. I think they look a little weird compared to the supports on last years Sony's, but they do hold the TV up nice and sturdy...
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Could you please post the measurement of the stand footprint with the feet turned inside on your 65" 900F?
I'm interested in how wide the feet are in this orientation to see if it will fit on my stand.
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Well, my retailer has shipped out me a replacement unit. I’m guessing I’ll receive it on Monday or Tuesday. Here’s to hoping it’s a keeper and doesn’t have any glaring issues. Bought and paid for a TV and here it is almost 4 weeks later. Hoping the saga ends.
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Anyone know about the DNLA on the X900F? I just tried to "send to" mt2s BluRay rip files from my Windows 7 PC to the new TV, and they all stuttered visually, with audio cutting in and out, and basically scrambling. It got so bad that the TV would not exit the playback mode, and somehow electrocuted my PC video card to the point I had to bring in my old TV just to get a picture off the HDMI. Anyone tried mt2s files this way before...not sure why it won't work, my 2015 Samsung 40" handled them perfectly. The Sony did allow selecting audio tracks and CC on the files.

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Anyone know about the DNLA on the X900F? I just tried to "send to" mt2s BluRay rip files from my Windows 7 PC to the new TV, and they all stuttered visually, with audio cutting in and out, and basically scrambling. It got so bad that the TV would not exit the playback mode, and somehow electrocuted my PC video card to the point I had to bring in my old TV just to get a picture off the HDMI. Anyone tried mt2s files this way before...not sure why it won't work, my 2015 Samsung 40" handled them perfectly. The Sony did allow selecting audio tracks and CC on the files.

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Are you trying to play using wifi or wired ethernet? I've tested streaming from my plex server using the video app and it's playing my MKV bluray rips perfectly.

I'm not sure about m2ts files though, perhaps it's not a supported file type?
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How bright is your room?
I have a fairly bright room and I've settled in at brightness 9. There doesn't seem to be a very noticeable difference unless I change it at least 3 points up/down.
The "light sensor" almost always suggests a darker brightness than I have it at though so I'm wondering if I've set it too bright.
Windows on three sides, so very bright. Just the +1 worked for me. I really need to turn it back down to 5 at night to avoid eye strain.

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Can anyone with X900F report the installed firmware/package version? I wonder whether it is the same software image as shared by all the other ATV2 (MT5891) based Sony ATVs.
My 85 900F shows PKG6.5164.0145NAA

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With this new X900F, Sony made the motion settings even more complicated. Nobody understands how the stuff works. It is stated everywhere that for perfect 5:5 of 24p content, one has to set Motionflow to 'True Cinema' and CineMotion to 'High'. Does this also enable X-Motion Clarity on the X900F. I read that you have to set Clearness to 1 in order to make that happen which you can't in 'True Cinema' mode!?
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Are you trying to play using wifi or wired ethernet? I've tested streaming from my plex server using the video app and it's playing my MKV bluray rips perfectly.

I'm not sure about m2ts files though, perhaps it's not a supported file type?
Where would I find if that is a supported file type? It is a pretty old codec, and I have seen previous support pages for older Sony's that show it as playable. Will try to jack it into the USB and see if that works. I rip all my Netflix Blurays to file so I can return the discs for quick turnaround. :-)

And I agree with the confusion on the motion settings...what are there, like 4 different motion controls...not settings, simply various menu controls that seem to all say the same thing. I think they just do that so they can list more catchphrase selling point words on the box.

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My retailer replaced my 75 900e with this 900f. I shouldn’t have to deal with Sony as I’ve only had the replacement set for a day. Already contacted my retailer via email with pictures and what not. On the plus side I can still watch it until it gets replaced again which I’m guessing won’t be until next Tuesday at the earliest. The defect is noticeable but it’s still watchable until it can be replaced. It’s not something that I can live with though and I doubt it being in the center is something the retailer can say no to exchanging it.
I tested on 2 HDMI inputs as well as native TV apps even ran test patterns for a bit but figured I may as well just exchange it. If there were some bad pixels near the edges or something that may be acceptable but being almost dead center isn’t at all.
That is %100 dust in panel give it good flick *not tap but flick it and should see it moves and should drop i had 2 930e had this looks like some kind of burnt group pixels but its actually dirt in panel. 2nd on i tested at store befor took home and it was fine and when i got home had same spot as other one. I tapped and rubbed few times but didn't move i paced around room was so frustrated i went up flicked pretty hard but not enough to crack screen and noticed moved did couple more times and dropped in bezel. Its because I layed down during transport at some point dirt shifted into panel. These panels come from ****ty manufacturer like AU Optronics.

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That is %100 dust in panel give it good flick *not tap but flick it and should see it moves and should drop i had 2 930e had this looks like some kind of burnt group pixels but its actually dirt in panel. 2nd on i tested at store befor took home and it was fine and when i got home had same spot as other one. I tapped and rubbed few times but didn't move i paced around room was so frustrated i went up flicked pretty hard but not enough to crack screen and noticed moved did couple more times and dropped in bezel. Its because I layed down during transport at some point dirt shifted into panel. These panels come from ****ty manufacturer like AU Optronics.
I hadn’t ruled the possibility of it being an insect or dirt/dust. I did attempt to give it a flick and nothing happened but don’t really care anyhow. The next morning I noticed what is attached in the next photo at the bottom of the panel. Looking down inside as good as I can it appears like there is a film lifting up in that area causing the issue. They’ve already sent me a replacement I should get it Tuesday. Really hope it ends up being in good shape because the motion on it is far better than the 900e I had and it’s noticably brighter for HDR.

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Where would I find if that is a supported file type? It is a pretty old codec, and I have seen previous support pages for older Sony's that show it as playable. Will try to jack it into the USB and see if that works. I rip all my Netflix Blurays to file so I can return the discs for quick turnaround. :-)

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https://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/su...pl?info_id=799

This support page lists M2TS files as supported through DLNA and USB while MKV is listed as not supported even though I can play it over the network. Weird.
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I did buy the 2 year protection from Best Buy at least but hate to have to deal with that if i dont have to.
Ugh.
A little tip - Avoid using your BB warranty during the first year, deal directly with Sony under their manufacturer's warranty for repair or replacement so that you continue to get coverage for the whole year.

Over the years many people here on AVS have used their BB extended warranty during the first year instead of the Sony warranty and when BB replaced the TV, BB's warranty obligation was now considered "fulfilled" and then the remaining months or years was cancelled early. Their terms may have improved nowadays, but read the fine print very carefully to see how they handle expensive repairs and whole TV replacement, and how that affects the remaining duration of your extended warranty.

Nowadays, i just buy my electronic stuff using my Mastercard which automatically adds one year to the manufacturer warranty and uses the same terms. Failures usually occur early in the TV's life anyway while Sony is still covering it, and i get my 2nd year for absolutely free via my MC.

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A little tip - Avoid using your BB warranty during the first year, deal directly with Sony under their manufacturer's warranty for repair or replacement so that you continue to get coverage for the whole year.

Over the years many people here on AVS have used their BB extended warranty during the first year instead of the Sony warranty and when BB replaced the TV, BB's warranty obligation was now considered "fulfilled" and then the remaining months or years was cancelled early. Their terms may have improved nowadays, but read the fine print very carefully to see how they handle expensive repairs and whole TV replacement, and how that affects the remaining duration of your extended warranty.

Nowadays, i just buy my electronic stuff using my Mastercard which automatically adds one year to the manufacturer warranty and uses the same terms. Failures usually occur early in the TV's life anyway while Sony is still covering it, and i get my 2nd year for absolutely free via my MC.

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O M F G...the blooming on this set is SOOOO offensively obvious and distracting in HDR. With backlight at 5 or so, the blooming is really not offensive, because do you really care if there is the slightest of flare around volume or the locator text on a black background in an infrequent shot? Imagine being in a dark room watching the TV, and someone opens a door behind you to a well lit room...that matte looking haze reflecting off the screen, that is what the blooming looks like. I was not expecting an issue that severe...coming from an old 2015 40" Samsung TV that had not even the slightest blooming, it was a shock. Well, the Samsung had blooming, it was just the entire screen that bloomed, because the dimming was garbage, but the blooming in discrete areas draws the eye away from the subject matter being viewed.

*eek*

No not returning the TV...yes I love it...at $1100, it cost $100 less than my 2015 Samsung UN40JU7100 did new. :-)

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O M F G...the blooming on this set is SOOOO offensively obvious and distracting in HDR. With backlight at 5 or so, the blooming is really not offensive, because do you really care if there is the slightest of flare around volume or the locator text on a black background in an infrequent shot? Imagine being in a dark room watching the TV, and someone opens a door behind you to a well lit room...that matte looking haze reflecting off the screen, that is what the blooming looks like. I was not expecting an issue that severe...coming from an old 2015 40" Samsung TV that had not even the slightest blooming, it was a shock. Well, the Samsung had blooming, it was just the entire screen that bloomed, because the dimming was garbage, but the blooming in discrete areas draws the eye away from the subject matter being viewed.

*eek*

No not returning the TV...yes I love it...at $1100, it cost $100 less than my 2015 Samsung UN40JU7100 did new. :-)

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well fortunately the room I watch the TV in is one of the brightest rooms in my house, so I wouldn't have the problem of a light room interrupting my dark room watching lol. I also don't care about text bloom because those are not the kind of thing you noticed in the middle of watching something. Curious, what was your backlight on before you put it on 5?
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Exactly, almost imperceptible blooming on text is not something most normal people would be bothered by. I calibrated my set, and it came to 100cd/m at brightness of 5, with black level of 0.036cd/m.

Another thing the blooming looks like...imagine a massive dirty screen effect blotch. :-)


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A little tip - Avoid using your BB warranty during the first year, deal directly with Sony under their manufacturer's warranty for repair or replacement so that you continue to get coverage for the whole year.

Over the years many people here on AVS have used their BB extended warranty during the first year instead of the Sony warranty and when BB replaced the TV, BB's warranty obligation was now considered "fulfilled" and then the remaining months or years was cancelled early. Their terms may have improved nowadays, but read the fine print very carefully to see how they handle expensive repairs and whole TV replacement, and how that affects the remaining duration of your extended warranty.

Nowadays, i just buy my electronic stuff using my Mastercard which automatically adds one year to the manufacturer warranty and uses the same terms. Failures usually occur early in the TV's life anyway while Sony is still covering it, and i get my 2nd year for absolutely free via my MC.

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I hadn’t ruled the possibility of it being an insect or dirt/dust. I did attempt to give it a flick and nothing happened but don’t really care anyhow. The next morning I noticed what is attached in the next photo at the bottom of the panel. Looking down inside as good as I can it appears like there is a film lifting up in that area causing the issue. They’ve already sent me a replacement I should get it Tuesday. Really hope it ends up being in good shape because the motion on it is far better than the 900e I had and it’s noticably brighter for HDR.

Oh wow yea thats not good
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With this new X900F, Sony made the motion settings even more complicated. Nobody understands how the stuff works. It is stated everywhere that for perfect 5:5 of 24p content, one has to set Motionflow to 'True Cinema' and CineMotion to 'High'. Does this also enable X-Motion Clarity on the X900F. I read that you have to set Clearness to 1 in order to make that happen which you can't in 'True Cinema' mode!?
I may be wrong but from what I've read True Cinema is only necessary if your device isn't outputting 24p correctly. So any Blu Ray player or decent movie-playing device should make True Cinema unnecessary.
I have my motion set to custom and cinemotion high, tested with my Oppo, Nvidia Shield, and Popcorn Hour, and it all looks good.
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Well I received my 85" 900f today. I'd like to thank Chris at Cleveland Plasma for the excellent service and fast shipping. So far I'm just playing it out of the box and it looks pretty good. I'm coming from a 65" Panasonic Plasma that had no issues so I was pretty happy with what I had. I just happened to watch war from the planet of the apes on my Panasonic last night so I played it on this one to get a feel for the picture and overall it looks just as good (surprisingly since this one is so much bigger). Watching normal Directv it's a mixed bag so far. Some content looks good like the Panasonic but some looks worse/grainey. I know I'm not comparing apples to apples and this set is straight out of the box so with that said I think I'll be pretty happy with it. I also need to get it mounted on the wall a little lower and get a new media stand for the components and my center channel (had to remove it due to height). The picture posted below was from my cell phone and believe me the actual tv looked much better but you can get an idea of the detail from it. I turned the light on in one of the photos to give you an idea of how exaggerated any blooming looks. Overall, I'd buy it again I just need to give it some run time and then start dialing it in.
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I may be wrong but from what I've read True Cinema is only necessary if your device isn't outputting 24p correctly. So any Blu Ray player or decent movie-playing device should make True Cinema unnecessary.
I have my motion set to custom and cinemotion high, tested with my Oppo, Nvidia Shield, and Popcorn Hour, and it all looks good.
So with Motionflow set to Custom, what do you have Smoothness and Clearness set to?

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True Cinema locks your TV into black frame insertion mode, eliminating the smearing that this particular set gets with it's pixel refresh response time. The setting that gets locked in is smoothness (soap opera fake frame insertion) 0, and clearness (black frame insertion) 1. I believe as you increase clearness, you get more black frame insertions, which could end up looking like a high speed shutter on a video camera if you are not careful. The setting is meant not as an effect, but a mitigation of the response time to frame rate. Film projected on a screen at 24 frames per second doesn't have pixel image retention issues that an LCD panel has, so this is the compensation.

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