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Does the flash lighting in the bottom corners look normal to everyone? Seems excessive and just want to make sure the other 900f owners are not experiencing it. I can still exchange for another.
Mine doesn't look like that, so I don't think that's normal. I would exchange it.

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Does the flash lighting in the bottom corners look normal to everyone? Seems excessive and just want to make sure the other 900f owners are not experiencing it. I can still exchange for another.
did your local dimming activated , can you see this in solid color try rgb video on youtube , seem you have too bright corner , kind of light bleed , the way fald tv are construct all the same tech , go to 8 minutes i suspect light diffuser , but could be another problem , its not normal

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Man... you can make non-HDR games look incredible on this TV. I'm messing around with Arkham Asylum and I'm just blown away by how good it looks. I have the X-tended Dynamic Range and Contrast Enhancer on High. It's the best I have ever seen this game look. For anyone looking for an awesome gaming TV, this is it. The photo doesn't even really do it justice.
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I just tested -

I upgraded to OREO and I selected a VUDU Movie that I have in Ultra HD "The Patriot" It also has Dolby Vision in that movie.

When I click to watch it - it looks great and I briefly saw the Dolby Vision logo form Sony Pop Up. ( I have that Dolby notification turned on my TV) However as soon as I go to picture adjustments, the movie will pause or freeze and then in the picture adjustment menu it does snot show anything to do with HDR or Dolby Vision as I thought it would

Now this is speculation, however I wonder if its truly running in the background and then when you choose to see picture adjustments on tv it somehow breaks that info, then when you return to play it kicks in again?

I don't remember how this acted before I upgraded but could have sworn that even when I selected the Picture Adjustments it would show that its in HDR or Dolby Vision. However I was on my son's xbox today and did picture adjustments menu without it pausing and it showed the HDR mode when he was playing his game.

Sorry if this does not seem to help but I can confirm with OREO at this time that the TV does not show HDR or Dolby Vision even though the movie content shows in the Vudu app that is streaming Dolby Vision.
I didn't try the internal Vudu app before the firmware update but it's definitely messed up. Including yourself, that is several owners who are reporting that the Vudu content pauses when bringing up picture settings and none of us are seeing HDR10/Dolby Vision engage in the settings. Additionally I've done a factory reset which not only hasn't helped but has caused some other issues which I'll post on separately.

As a partial workaround, the Movies Anywhere app installed from the Google Play store, properly engages HDR10 but it doesn't support Dolby Vision or ATMOS.

EDIT: Amazon Video app works properly (at least as good as it ever does ) but Google Play Movies app behaves the same as Vudu (no HDR10 triggered)

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What a mess. Thanks for letting us know.

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I've been messing around with things tonight after doing a factory reset and it isn't good. Not only does it not fix the Vudu HDR issue but it seems that there are some issues with the Android TV keyboard which is preventing me from logging into various internal apps including VUDU, DirectvNow (sideloaded). The apps that have their own keyboard (Netflix, Amazon) can be logged into successfully.

For those who haven't updated to the newest firmware yet, I would advise against it. Fortunately I use streaming apps from my ATV4K so it won't affect me short term but I'll definitely be contacting Sony support tomorrow.

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I was doing some more app streaming testing last night (no, I do not have the latest Oreo update) between the internal apps on the X900F and using my Xbox One X. I am able to get very good HDR picture quality when using my Xbox (I disabled Dolby Vision on it). I much prefer the HDR10 on this TV to Dolby Vision.



When I first got the TV, I thought that Dolby Vision looked fine, but when I compare HDR10 on Netflix or on my Xbox vs the native apps using DV, it's a night and day difference. For example, Stranger Things in DV was completely crushing dark scenes. Daytime scenes looked fine, but in night scenes I noticed that the environments around the characters seemed much darker, to the point that I couldn't actually see any objects. In HDR10, the details come back and it appears like it should.


With the software issues people are having now, I am definitely glad that I have a good streaming box. Based on what I have seen, I recommend using something that will let you use HDR10 instead of DV for this TV. I know that sucks, but do a direct comparison and you will see what I'm saying.


Coming from a Vizio M from 2013, I'm used to not using internal apps. I find game consoles or streaming boxes/sticks better overall. Just my two cents.
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Does the flash lighting in the bottom corners look normal to everyone? Seems excessive and just want to make sure the other 900f owners are not experiencing it. I can still exchange for another.
Take it back, no way I'd keep it. Mine does not have that problem.

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So I had my retailer bring me a new 75" X900F to compare the DSE between my current panel. It had just about as much on the new panel, so I opted to keep mine and am just going to live with it. The TV itself is excellent, it just has more DSE than I was expecting but I've never had a panel this large before.
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So I had my retailer bring me a new 75" X900F to compare the DSE between my current panel. It had just about as much on the new panel, so I opted to keep mine and am just going to live with it. The TV itself is excellent, it just has more DSE than I was expecting but I've never had a panel this large before.

Might be more of a problem with the 75" models and larger. My 65 is pretty clean. Do you notice it in other games? Like in the sky without searching for it?

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So I had my retailer bring me a new 75" X900F to compare the DSE between my current panel. It had just about as much on the new panel, so I opted to keep mine and am just going to live with it. The TV itself is excellent...
I wonder what the retailer does with the set he brought to demo?
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I wonder what the retailer does with the set he brought to demo?

Open box discount, I would assume.
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Does the flash lighting in the bottom corners look normal to everyone? Seems excessive and just want to make sure the other 900f owners are not experiencing it. I can still exchange for another.
That does look a little extreme. Can you see it in normal content? I see what looks to be other clouding in the picture and usually that's a sign that FALD is not engaged, I hate how the sony sets will auto shut off FALD on some screens.
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Does anybody know how many hours the LEDs will last in the 85” 900f? I watch alot of TV and was wondering, I know LEDs usually have a life of 50K hours or so...
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I've been messing around with things tonight after doing a factory reset and it isn't good. Not only does it not fix the Vudu HDR issue but it seems that there are some issues with the Android TV keyboard which is preventing me from logging into various internal apps including VUDU, DirectvNow (sideloaded). The apps that have their own keyboard (Netflix, Amazon) can be logged into successfully.

For those who haven't updated to the newest firmware yet, I would advise against it. Fortunately I use streaming apps from my ATV4K so it won't affect me short term but I'll definitely be contacting Sony support tomorrow.
Thanks for your update. Let me know how the support call goes. I will try and do the same. Question: Can one go back with the firmware that was shipped or once you update no return?

Hopefully they will see the update as issue and provide a fix. I know they are slow with that so I will just have to play Vudu from the XBOX for now. Have not tested that yet.

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Does anybody know how many hours the LEDs will last in the 85” 900f? I watch alot of TV and was wondering, I know LEDs usually have a life of 50K hours or so...
yes around that samsung in 2011 said around 100 000 hours ,
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Quantums q8 vs the 900f bottom..2015 js8500 top
how do you like the q8 , i was close to try one ,
but i own a js9000 with bad banding and receive crap service , samsung have close a service center in my region take over 3 weeks to receive a rma number for refund , seller was waiting samsung respond .
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Sony 85" 900f VS Panasonic Plasma VT65

So I am thinking about getting a new TV. I currently have a VT65 plasma, and I am thinking about the 900f. Now I know OLED is more like plasma, but I am not ready to spend that kind of money on the size I would like for the room. My question is how are the 900fs compared to the VT plasmas? Its a little like Apples and Oranges, because one is 4K and the other is just 1080P. So taking the 4k out of it, since I dont have any 4k content right now, how do the TV's compared on just watching Blu Rays?


Any help would much be appreciated.


also if I decide to pull the trigger on a 900f, I do plan on upgrading to a 4k player and new receiver.
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So I am thinking about getting a new TV. I currently have a VT65 plasma, and I am thinking about the 900f. Now I know OLED is more like plasma, but I am not ready to spend that kind of money on the size I would like for the room. My question is how are the 900fs compared to the VT plasmas? Its a little like Apples and Oranges, because one is 4K and the other is just 1080P. So taking the 4k out of it, since I dont have any 4k content right now, how do the TV's compared on just watching Blu Rays?


Any help would much be appreciated.


also if I decide to pull the trigger on a 900f, I do plan on upgrading to a 4k player and new receiver.
We just did that swap. No regrets as we went to 85". Brighter. My wife mentions how great everytime we watch. Still only 1080p as we haven't switched our sources yet. I did try some built in streaming and the roku 4k. Wow...blacks are decent, off axis good enough since its just 2 of us. I don't use the android. slow... although I was able to send a 4k video I took right from computer. Somehow the computer knew it was available. Looked awesome.

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So I am thinking about getting a new TV. I currently have a VT65 plasma, and I am thinking about the 900f. Now I know OLED is more like plasma, but I am not ready to spend that kind of money on the size I would like for the room. My question is how are the 900fs compared to the VT plasmas? Its a little like Apples and Oranges, because one is 4K and the other is just 1080P. So taking the 4k out of it, since I dont have any 4k content right now, how do the TV's compared on just watching Blu Rays?


Any help would much be appreciated.


also if I decide to pull the trigger on a 900f, I do plan on upgrading to a 4k player and new receiver.

Yes, it's Apples and Oranges.

First what size are you looking to get? 65" Z9D is the way to go. 75" 85" than the X900F is good choice at it's price point..

The advancements made in picture processing, upscaling, wide color, 4K, HDR, brightness levels, motion, is leaps and bounds ahead of what went into your VT65.

1080p Blu-rays upscale to near 4K quality, like it's hard to tell the difference sometimes. BIG WIN there.

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Yes, it's Apples and Oranges.

First what size are you looking to get? 65" Z9D is the way to go. 75" 85" than the X900F is good choice at it's price point..

The advancements made in picture processing, upscaling, wide color, 4K, HDR, brightness levels, motion, is leaps and bounds ahead of what went into your VT65.

1080p Blu-rays upscale to near 4K quality, like it's hard to tell the difference sometimes. BIG WIN there.
yes I am looking at going for 85 inches. Its the Max size I can go with for that room.
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So I had my retailer bring me a new 75" X900F to compare the DSE between my current panel. It had just about as much on the new panel, so I opted to keep mine and am just going to live with it. The TV itself is excellent, it just has more DSE than I was expecting but I've never had a panel this large before.

Might be more of a problem with the 75" models and larger. My 65 is pretty clean. Do you notice it in other games? Like in the sky without searching for it?
It's really bad on games Red Dead Redemption 2 when panning the camera, definitely noticeable without searching for it.
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So I had my retailer bring me a new 75" X900F to compare the DSE between my current panel. It had just about as much on the new panel, so I opted to keep mine and am just going to live with it. The TV itself is excellent...
I wonder what the retailer does with the set he brought to demo?
Open box discount.
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yes I am looking at going for 85 inches. Its the Max size I can go with for that room.
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It's really bad on games Red Dead Redemption 2 when panning the camera, definitely noticeable without searching for it.

Open box discount.
I'd be seeking a... fair exchange

Surely you can get one without that bad of DSE

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MAJOR ISSUE to report after my upgrade to Oreo firmware.

I was attempting to recalibrate my TV, when halfway through, a new "bug" presented itself. As you adjust the 10 point system, if you do not exit out of the RGB for a specific point, then select and change to the next point, your previous points settings will be copied forward to the new point you are moving to adjust.

So basically, if you adjust your R-offset for point 6, change the value, arrow up to "6", then right arrow over to "7", then arrow down to adjust R-offset for point 7, you will find that the value you entered into 6 has been copied into point 7. If you arrow down to G-offset and then B-offset, it will instantly copy over the previous points values to those as you simply move to the adjustment level.

to avoid this, you must BACK button out of the current points offset menu, then arrow to the point selector, press select, then arrow to the next point and continue as normal. this adds a lot more button pushing, and if you forget to do this, you will botch the point you just moved in to adjust.

This assumes this bug is not specific to my TV.

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We just did that swap. No regrets as we went to 85". Brighter. My wife mentions how great everytime we watch. Still only 1080p as we haven't switched our sources yet. I did try some built in streaming and the roku 4k. Wow...blacks are decent, off axis good enough since its just 2 of us. I don't use the android. slow... although I was able to send a 4k video I took right from computer. Somehow the computer knew it was available. Looked awesome.
Thank for the info. I've been thinking of upgrading from my 65" vt50. I've been looking at either the 85" inch or going to a PJ. I'm only going to be in this house another year and how I would have to set up for the PJ is a little more awkward than swapping TVs. So I'm leaning towards the TV now and then do the other in my new place when I can do it right.

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First post here. Thanks to everyone whose comments on these boards have both educated and entertained me while doing research on (slowly) building my set up. Just this week I switched out our 6 year old Samsung, 3D able, 50" plasma for the Sony 900F "55. So far I'm very happy as is the wife which is key.

The way I've always set things up is I run everything into the AVR and output from there to the TV/Monitor. This includes the cable box, my PS3 and a multi region DVD player. There is a RF cable out from the Comcast unit that I connected to the TV's RF input.

I have my PS3 hardwired via ethernet and connected to the receiver via HDMI. I expect to upgrade soon to a PS4 to best advantage the Sony, but the point is I (for now at least) prefer the os of the PS3 for streaming to enabling the 'smart' functions of the 900F. Note: I did make a point of briefly connecting the ethernet cable directly to the TV in order to check for firmware update, but I didn't even look at the TV's streaming options. For playing disc media and streaming the big four outlets my Playstation (within its limitations) works amazingly well.

Is this the right way to go, or would there be an advantage to connecting the cable box or the PS3 directly to the 900F and outputting the audio back to the AVR via the ARC? Sorry for the newbie question. Also does it make sense to go to the trouble of 'disabling' anything 'Smart' related that I don't want if the monitor isn't connected directly to the internet anyway?

I have a Denon XR2400H, which I purchased because I thought it was the best AVR I could afford with two HDMI outs which was needed for a projector. I should note that I turned off the video enhancement functions of the Denon before connecting it to the Sony's ARC HDMI input.

Finally off point but for the record our TV viewing distance from the couch is a bit short of 8 feet, and we went with placing the 55" 900F on a console instead of using the elevated wall mounted tilt we did with the plasma. It makes a nice change in that I will hopefully choke on food less. Plus the picture looks amazing! I think the 65" at this distance would burn out my retinas or at least make it hard to follow action on the screen.

Thanks for reading this and for any suggestions or comments.
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