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eARC is high bandwidth and REQUIRES HDMI 2.1. The X900F only has HDMI 2.0b, so there is no way to add eARC without having HDMI 2.1, which cannot be upgraded without new hardware.

For normal TV use, not dealing with all the apps, I like the new Oreo update, except for a bug in the 10 point white balance system which most people will never deal with.

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will X900F support eARC? anyone updated the FW posted 01/22/19? are there any issues?
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Standard picture Mode Warm color temperature 2.2 gamma 0.11dE backup settings available on the settings thread linked below. In case you want to turn Standard picture mode into something actually usable.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57508182
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I am getting ready to pull the trigger on a 85X900F.

Does anyone have any experience paring this TV with a Amazon 4K Dolby Vision Fire stick ?

How does the Dolby Vision HDR look watching Amazon Prime or Netflix using the fire stick ?
Yes. Excellent.
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Possibly a dumb question but is everything that is in 4K always HDR as well?

I know that in Netflix, in the description it will either say Ultra HD 4K or Dolby Vision which is a bit misleading in that the Dolby Vision is also Ultra HD 4K. I haven’t seen any specific mention of HDR.

I’ve just been checking the Picture Settings menu when watching anything on Netflix that is described as Ultra Hd 4K and haven’t seen the HDR tag. I just want to make sure I have all the correct settings enabled.
Not all 4K is in HDR. Ultra HD 4K means 4K SDR. If the title is in HDR, it will indicate it in the program header info.

To make things more complicated, most but not all HDR content is in 4K. There are some 1080P HDR titles such as Ballad of Buster Scruggs.
Ok good. Thanks for clearing that up. I just wanted to make sure I didn’t have something set incorrectly.
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Could any of you 85" 900F owners tell me the approx distance from the centerline of the bottom vesa mount bolts to the bottom of the television? Strange question, but I'm wondering if I can fit the 85" and still have clearance over an obstacle. Thank you!
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Sony x900f vs suhd js8500..the sony is on top of the pic
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eARC is high bandwidth and REQUIRES HDMI 2.1. The X900F only has HDMI 2.0b, so there is no way to add eARC without having HDMI 2.1, which cannot be upgraded without new hardware.
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eARC doesn't require HDMI 2.1. For example, Sony's newer Z9F and A9F models support eARC even though they don't have HDMI 2.1 ports. Similarly, some receivers and soundbars have or will have firmware updates to support eARC. It's one of the features (like VRR, which is supported by Samsung's Q8FN and Q9FN) that were introduced in HDMI 2.1 but could be backported to older versions:
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1516615699

However, we don't know whether Sony will ever add eARC support to the X900F.
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Curious. What are your thoughts if Q8F and the X900F are the same price?
They are about the same price on the street. They are more or less tied spec wise except....Sony adds DV and the Samsung is "said" to have a little less glare and it is 3" smaller which is 7.5% less screen area.

--My vote is 85X900F, but that's me. That has nothing to do with your choice
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Could any of you 85" 900F owners tell me the approx distance from the centerline of the bottom vesa mount bolts to the bottom of the television? Strange question, but I'm wondering if I can fit the 85" and still have clearance over an obstacle. Thank you!
Check the official cut sheet:
http://sonypremiumhome.com/pdfs/XBR-...iew_w_assy.pdf
Looks like it's 309.5mm or under 12 1/4".
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And I believe in having the Sony 900F do all the upscaling. Right decision again, IMHO. If you have cable or satellite, you might experiment with the resolution settings. If you have a "native" option (mostly satellite) - - that is the absolute best you can do. Otherwise, if you have a non 4K cable box, look at a 720p or 1080i setting. I prefer the 720p setting with my older Comcast Xfinity STB as it provides the best picture for me. It down converts a 1080i signal to 720p but more importantly, it leaves a native 720p setting alone WITHOUT Comcast upscaling anything.

And don't forget "OTA - Over The Air" signals via an antenna. For broadcast TV, you will not find a better picture (less compression) - especially a 1080i signal. Incredibly upscaled by the Sony 900F. And having your TV on a console provides less eye strain, IMHO. Nice choice there, as well.

Lastly - I have (had) a dual setup as well with a 100" screen with projector as well as my 75" Sony 900F. I've mothballed my projector as I can no longer watch it anymore compared to the sharp picture of the Sony 900F. Now, you probably have a better projector than I do since I was limited to a "short throw" due to my setup in my man cave. And - - I don't think you would have had any extra eye strain or difficulty with a larger 65" TV. Once you dial in the settings and brightness - - it's a pure joy to watch. Enjoy!
Thanks for your response! After reading your comments and going by what others have posted I think I will have to try out the internal aps at least on spec for a few days. I'm not a gamer per se but I LOVE my PS3 which has been my main monitor's gateway to streaming and blu rays since day one (I do have a Roku box in the BR).

The HD images I am seeing from the Comcast cable box, while lovely, take a BIG step up when I'm watching HD content over ethernet cable via the Playstation, so another argument for going straight to the 900F with the ethernet cable.

I don't understand the science of it but want to try switching the Comcast signal between its various outputs as you have suggested but right now I can't find the menu to do it from my remote so it means pushing buttons on the cablebox itself which puts me out of axis to the screen's image which means I have to rely on the wife to tell me what looks best. Which is OK, but she has shown a marked preference for the Sports preset over the Custom setting which I've configured from watching the Rtngs video and which I prefer on just about anything.

I still love my projector. I purchased a BenQ 2050 a couple of Black Fridays ago. I made that decision out of my frustration in being able to find a big 4K TV in the post plasma market, that I could afford, that wouldn't make all my DVDS look crap. It is about the best thing I've ever owned to date in terms of bringing the fun of watching movies home. Within a few months I'd upgraded my sound system to enhance it.

However I only use the projector maybe, five or six times a month, while we watch TV every day. The last thing I watched was ROMA and while it looks great on the 900F it just isn't the same experience as seeing it projected on a 120" diagonal with the level of clarity the BenQ delivers (the Denon really earned its keep with that soundtrack as well).

About connections, I notice when I turn on the TV by itself it automatically turns on the Denon, but if it's on Game and the PS3 is off it doesn't reach through the arc and turn on the PS3, however if everything is off and I first turn on the PS3 it turns on the 900F which then triggers the Denon. I suppose I can sort all this out via some settings adjustments.

BTW I have everything but the cable box going through a surge protection system that I power down when I go to bed. Is this something I shouldn't be doing with the Sony (or my Denon for that matter)?

Also with regard to firmware updates, I had this delivered last Tuesday and tried to do a latest update as recent as last Wednesday or Thursday while the ethernet cable was connected to the TV and it said I had the latest already. I don't know about Oreo or whatever, and I think I understand that DV will only show up as an option on screen if it's actually available. Just wondering if I missed anything update wise.

Contrast is an issue with this TV however, but honestly that's what I've always felt defined and was expecting in anything that wasn't a plasma. This really hit home while watching THE ORVILLE, at least the stuff in space. Most of the attempts I made to heighten the contrast just messed with other aspects of the image too much. But I know I have a lot to learn still settings wise. I guess I have to finally buy some bias lighting to help with this.

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Sony x900f vs suhd js8500..the sony is on top of the pic
Wow. Bottom looks way better. The bottom is a Samsung? Bottom looks extremely sharp and Sony is fuzzy and grainy.
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Wow. Bottom looks way better. The bottom is a Samsung? Bottom looks extremely sharp and Sony is fuzzy and grainy.
Yes, the bottom pic has more detail.

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Yes, the bottom pic has more detail.
Does Samsung typical have more detail than Sony?
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Wow. Bottom looks way better. The bottom is a Samsung? Bottom looks extremely sharp and Sony is fuzzy and grainy.
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Does Samsung typical have more detail than Sony?
Are you guys seriously going to draw conclusions based on a pic that someone posted on the internet?
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Really appreciate you clearing that up Planet. I've been banging my head against the wall trying to figure this out. It would be nice if these companies would stop getting in a pissing match with each other and would get on the same page to benefit the consumer. Do you know of any 4k players that do play nice with the 900f? I can still return my LG.
The Sony x700 will have DV compatible with the 900F but it requires one to manually turn Dolby Vision on/off in the settings, depending on if the disc is DV or not. To me and many others, that's a deal breaker

There are other compatible players at the $500 level. Oppo, Panasonic 820.

Personally I am going to wait for the Sony X800 M2 but that is not expected until May, and I'm not sure if it will require manual intervention like the X700 does. If it does, I'll pass.

Unless you want something right away I would stick with your Xbox, and perhaps Xbox will add DV disc support. If not, the X800M2 should be on the market by then.
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Are you guys seriously going to draw conclusions based on a pic that someone posted on the internet?
Lol. Fair point. But no.

I actually went to Magnolia about 20 minutes ago.

I thought the Samsung clarity and sharpness was better than the Sony x900f however the Sony color was WAY better.

They just sold an open box 85x900f for $3800 a few hours before I got in there.

All the OLEDs looked outstanding. I was very happy with the Sony x900f. I think that will be my next TV
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Are you guys seriously going to draw conclusions based on a pic that someone posted on the internet?
Especially one attributed to Quantum Apotheosis, a know troll who is suspected of manipulating picture settings to bash different TVs.

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Unhappy Trailing on my 49' Sony X900F (XF90)

Hi, I recently bought 49' Sony X900F (XF90). I have exactly the same issue with my unit that this gentleman that posted a video on YouTube few years back. [I'm not sure if i can post a link here, so please use YouTube search and type: Moving Dot Sony X940D vs 2011 MacBook Pro (user: npa201). I would be very thankful if someone here could tell me if this is normal thing on this TV or I should contact my retailer and ask for replacement. Thanks in advance!
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Are you guys seriously going to draw conclusions based on a pic that someone posted on the internet?
Nope, I simply was comparing two posted pictures. I was not comparing two tvs.

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Hi, I recently bought 49' Sony X900F (XF90). I have exactly the same issue with my unit that this gentleman that posted a video on YouTube few years back. [I'm not sure if i can post a link here, so please use YouTube search and type: Moving Dot Sony X940D vs 2011 MacBook Pro (user: npa201). I would be very thankful if someone here could tell me if this is normal thing on this TV or I should contact my retailer and ask for replacement. Thanks in advance!
You are kidding right, no way that is normal.

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As someone who owns a 65X900F and Horizon Zero Dawn, I can tell you that the game looks great on the 900F. An Insignia 1080p TV wouldn't even look that bad.

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The Sony x700 will have DV compatible with the 900F but it requires one to manually turn Dolby Vision on/off in the settings, depending on if the disc is DV or not. To me and many others, that's a deal breaker

There are other compatible players at the $500 level. Oppo, Panasonic 820.

Personally I am going to wait for the Sony X800 M2 but that is not expected until May, and I'm not sure if it will require manual intervention like the X700 does. If it does, I'll pass.

Unless you want something right away I would stick with your Xbox, and perhaps Xbox will add DV disc support. If not, the X800M2 should be on the market by then.
I am pretty happy with the tv now that its all dialed in. I also have the X700 blu ray player and though manually switching to DV would be a dealbreaker, however for me its not as I like to set things up before watching.

Not all movies are in DV anyway, so I find myself manually switching maybe 30% or less and I get to enjoy the DV (Although I think HDR looks just as good) I even find some blu ray's looks fantastic.

I think its how the disc was mastered, but I will tell you what, this is the best TV experience I have had. With the X700 and 900F combo - I am very happy!
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As someone who owns a 65X900F and Horizon Zero Dawn, I can tell you that the game looks great on the 900F. An Insignia 1080p TV wouldn't even look that bad.
The game looked amazing on my 75” 900F and PS4 Pro. In fact everything I have played on it looks great. Even from the Switch and WiiU.
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The game looked amazing on my 75” 900F and PS4 Pro. In fact everything I have played on it looks great. Even from the Switch and WiiU.
Same here. My games look the best they ever have. I was playing Arkham Asylum, which isn't even 4K or HDR and I played with some settings and had it looking like a new 4K HDR game on this TV. It looked fantastic.

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Same here. My games look the best they ever have. I was playing Arkham Asylum, which isn't even 4K or HDR and I played with some settings and had it looking like a new 4K HDR game on this TV. It looked fantastic.
Same here my son showed me the Star Wars Battlefront II games characters and you can see all the details we have never seen before. Really enjoying it.
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What’s the purpose of these? Have these both been calibrated to the same reference? If not then it’s pointless. I could make a $300 Akai tv look better than the Sony 900f if a stuffed around with the settings enough.

BTW the bottom pic is completely washed out in the background, not that it means anything
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Especially one attributed to Quantum Apotheosis, a know troll who is suspected of manipulating picture settings to bash different TVs.


Nothing suspected about it. He clearly does it
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Nothing suspected about it. He clearly does it
Phht, nothing fishy going on there. Think he'd put a little more effort into his agenda.
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Check the official cut sheet:
http://sonypremiumhome.com/pdfs/XBR-...iew_w_assy.pdf
Looks like it's 309.5mm or under 12 1/4".
Perfect. Thank you!
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No i didnt do anything to the pics i posted,,they both look great, here are more pics in higher quality!! Sony is on top
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