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***Nice explanation on what happened with GOT "The Ultimate Battle." But, for the Director, it's already been nominated for the "Ray Charles Cinematography Award" so who are we to argue with how it looked?
Looking forward to the Bluray release. Hopefully S8E5 the big final battle of Kings Landing will be during the day.
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Does the XF900 have macro blocking and posterisation which is visible on OLEDs on compressed content dark scenes?
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***Nice explanation on what happened with GOT "The Ultimate Battle." But, for the Director, it's already been nominated for the "Ray Charles Cinematography Award" so who are we to argue with how it looked?
Winner for sure…. Nice award
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Thanks for your response. That’s good to hear that it’s the source. The thing is, I notice the same areas on my screen no matter what I’m streaming, whether it be Netflix or HBO. Are the compression artifacts basically exposing the imperfections on my screen and that’s what I’m seeing?

In other words, I don’t notice randomly different spots on my screen. It’s always the same parts of the screen that I notice being “cloudy.”
If you are watching Netflix 4K UHD, HDR or Dolby Vision programs you shouldn't see compression artifacts. I am assuming you are looking directly at the screen, off angle LCD screens tend to degrade the picture.

If you see cloudy images or pixelation always at the same place on your screen it may be defective. Try posting a couple of pictures here to get feedback, before contacting Sony for warranty service. Good luck.

Thanks again for all your feedback! I posted a couple pics of my screen during a black scene on avengers on Netflix app. Not sure how easy it is to see but there’s a faint white vertical line down the right half of the screen along with a couple white “clouds” to the right of that. There’s also another couple of faint clouds on the left half.

They aren’t super noticeable most of the time, but dark scenes get to be irritating. Especially after knowing they’re there. Then it’s hard to unsee them. I would appreciate yours any others input on whether or not I should try and get this replaced from bestbuy and/or Sony.

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Firmware update by USB

Hey gang,

Has anyone had any issues when trying to update to the new firmware by USB? I've tried 2 different FAT32-formatted USB sticks with the new firmware file extracted to the root menu, but nothing happens when I plug them into the TV. I've tried both USB ports and turned the TV off and on again, but I can't get the update process to start. I tried reformatting the sticks (both quick and full), but no dice. Any ideas?

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Unfortunately, in HDR, your backlight is set to 100% maximum brightness...XDR overdrives the peak luminance, so even with local dimming, the brighter your bright parts of the screen are, the brighter the adjacent ZERO BLACK LEVEL areas will be, simply from blooming bleedover. The black level on the X900F in HDR without local dimming active is around 0.150cd/m...which is far above the 0.04cd/m of SDR calibrated to 100cd/m.



If you set XDR to high, it will ramp up and make brighter the 50-70% luminance range, which would have a similar "to the eye" effect of raising gamma...those below peak luminance areas would get brighter, so people would think the HDR looks brighter. As many know, increasing gamma may make a picture look brighter, but it's messing with a curve, not actually increasing peak brightness, which is what you're after in HDR highlights.

It's difficult to 100% test HDR with features such as local dimming and XDR, as you can really only half trust the readings due to the dynamic nature of the function, and the fixed nature of the 10% target box system of taking measurements mixed with the dynamic nature of ABL auto backlight limiter, which will drop brightness after a second or so to decrease power consumption. That last part is explained better in rtings for brightness figures.

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Hey gang,

Has anyone had any issues when trying to update to the new firmware by USB? I've tried 2 different FAT32-formatted USB sticks with the new firmware file extracted to the root menu, but nothing happens when I plug them into the TV. I've tried both USB ports and turned the TV off and on again, but I can't get the update process to start. I tried reformatting the sticks (both quick and full), but no dice. Any ideas?

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Was it a zip file or pkg? Remember to unzip the download an place the pkg file on the stick

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And make sure the stick or SD card in a USB reader is formatted as FAT32 before you unzip and drag the pkg file over to it.

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And make sure the stick or SD card in a USB reader is formatted as FAT32 before you unzip and drag the pkg file over to it.

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Hi Paul,

If the 10 point is universal on all inputs and formats, what one do you recommend? Thanks
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And make sure the stick or SD card in a USB reader is formatted as FAT32 before you unzip and drag the pkg file over to it.



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Yeah, the USB stick was formatted correctly. I downloaded the Zip file from Sony, extracted the package file and transferred it to the stick. How long does it take before the installation process starts after inserting a USB device?

I wonder if I should insert a USB device with media on it just to make sure the ports are working correctly. Maybe the TV just doesn't like my sticks...



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If the 10 point is universal on all inputs and formats, what one do you recommend? Thanks
10 points will remain the same for every input, but you MUST also enter the 2 point Gain/Bias separately for each input... the 10 points are not calibrated unless you also enter those 2 point values into each input you use the 10 point on.

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Yeah, the USB stick was formatted correctly. I downloaded the Zip file from Sony, extracted the package file and transferred it to the stick. How long does it take before the installation process starts after inserting a USB device?

I wonder if I should insert a USB device with media on it just to make sure the ports are working correctly. Maybe the TV just doesn't like my sticks...



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Try leaving the stick in, and turning the tV off then on, and if that doesnt work, leave it plugged in and select restart from the main HOME Android menu. I needed to restart to get my update to launch...it didn't give me any options either, TV just turned on and went into % of update screen and did it's thing.

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[QUOTE=Anderegg;58010142]10 points will remain the same for every input, but you MUST also enter the 2 point Gain/Bias separately for each input... the 10 points are not calibrated unless you also enter those 2 point values into each input you use the 10 point on.


I understand, out of the 2 from your calibration on May 4th what one do you recommend? Thanks

May 4, 2019 custom X900F SDR/HDR calibrations
New calibrated BT.1886 and HDR settings for the X900F. If unfamiliar with BT.1886, see link at bottom of post.

SDR BT.1886 2.4 gamma
Cinema Home
Expert 2
Brightness 3 (for 100cd/m)
Contrast Max
Gamma Min
Black level 50
LD user preference
X-tended not recommended for SDR
Color 51
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -4
R-Bias 15
G-Bias 15
B-Bias 8

10 Point
Point 1 17 15 9
Point 2 5 7 4
Point 3 0 -1 -1
Point 4 2 2 0
Point 5 -4 -3 -2
Point 6 -2 -3 -2
Point 7 -2 -2 -1
Point 8 -1 -1 -2
Point 9 0 0 -1
Point 10 1 0 1

HDR10 (Dolby Vision set contrast to Max)
Cinema Pro
Expert 1
Brightness Max *
Contrast 91 *
Gamma 0
Black level 50
LD High *
X-tended Medium *
Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -5
R-Bias 0
G-Bias 0
B-Bias 0

10 Point
Point 1 5 7 -2
Point 2 -5 -2 -4
Point 3 -2 -1 -1
Point 4 0 -1 -1
Point 5 0 0 0
Point 6 0 0 0
Point 7 5 5 2
Point 8 -2 -2 -3
Point 9 Max 17 12
Point 10 0 -1 -1
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You would use BT1886 for SDR, and the HDR for HDR and Dolby Vision, you can set different settings for each in each input.

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10 points will remain the same for every input, but you MUST also enter the 2 point Gain/Bias separately for each input... the 10 points are not calibrated unless you also enter those 2 point values into each input you use the 10 point on.


I understand, out of the 2 from your calibration on May 4th what one do you recommend? Thanks

May 4, 2019 custom X900F SDR/HDR calibrations
New calibrated BT.1886 and HDR settings for the X900F. If unfamiliar with BT.1886, see link at bottom of post.

SDR BT.1886 2.4 gamma
Cinema Home
Expert 2
Brightness 3 (for 100cd/m)
Contrast Max
Gamma Min
Black level 50
LD user preference
X-tended not recommended for SDR
Color 51
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -4
R-Bias 15
G-Bias 15
B-Bias 8

10 Point
Point 1 17 15 9
Point 2 5 7 4
Point 3 0 -1 -1
Point 4 2 2 0
Point 5 -4 -3 -2
Point 6 -2 -3 -2
Point 7 -2 -2 -1
Point 8 -1 -1 -2
Point 9 0 0 -1
Point 10 1 0 1

HDR10 (Dolby Vision set contrast to Max)
Cinema Pro
Expert 1
Brightness Max *
Contrast 91 *
Gamma 0
Black level 50
LD High *
X-tended Medium *
Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -5
R-Bias 0
G-Bias 0
B-Bias 0

10 Point
Point 1 5 7 -2
Point 2 -5 -2 -4
Point 3 -2 -1 -1
Point 4 0 -1 -1
Point 5 0 0 0
Point 6 0 0 0
Point 7 5 5 2
Point 8 -2 -2 -3
Point 9 Max 17 12
Point 10 0 -1 -1

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[quote=Anderegg;58010284]You would use BT1886 for SDR, and the HDR for HDR and Dolby Vision, you can set different settings for each in each input.

paul

I know but i can only use one 10 point, my tv will not save two, am i missing something? i am asking only about the 10 point.

if the 900F will only save one 10 point what one should i use?

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If you mean only one POINT, then select the point and press the right or left arrow on the 4 way dial...it will bring up the additional OFFSET for each POINT, 1 through 10.

If you mean only one white balance, you can change that from Expert 1, to 2, to Warm, to Neutral etc.

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You would use BT1886 for SDR, and the HDR for HDR and Dolby Vision, you can set different settings for each in each input.

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I know but i can only use one 10 point, my tv will not save two, am i missing something? i am asking only about the 10 point.

if the 900F will only save one 10 point what one should i use?

Sony X900F SDR and HDR Calibrations https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57551552
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[quote=Anderegg;58010302]If you mean only one POINT, then select the point and press the right or left arrow on the 4 way dial...it will bring up the additional OFFSET for each POINT, 1 through 10.

If you mean only one white balance, you can change that from Expert 1, to 2, to Warm, to Neutral etc.

Paul


OK, thanks for your help.

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OTA Rescan - Now Missing Dozens of Channels

My Sony Z9D and 900F needed to have an over-the-air channel rescan recently. I used to get digital channels at (for example) 5.1, 5.2, 12.1, 25.1, 25.2 etc. After the rescan, not only are channels missing, but I'm unable to manually enter a channel, and it seems that (according to the FCC) station designations are now in whole numbers.

Both televisions go through the full scan for channels on the antenna setting, and the few that come up are still numbers with decimal points.

I've tried "scan" and "add digital channels," but many local (network) affiliates and all PBS stations just do not get added to the channel list. Both sets have moderately priced indoor panel antennas located in a window opening, which previously worked perfectly.
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My Sony Z9D and 900F needed to have an over-the-air channel rescan recently. I used to get digital channels at (for example) 5.1, 5.2, 12.1, 25.1, 25.2 etc. After the rescan, not only are channels missing, but I'm unable to manually enter a channel, and it seems that (according to the FCC) station designations are now in whole numbers.

Both televisions go through the full scan for channels on the antenna setting, and the few that come up are still numbers with decimal points.

I've tried "scan" and "add digital channels," but many local (network) affiliates and all PBS stations just do not get added to the channel list. Both sets have moderately priced indoor panel antennas located in a window opening, which previously worked perfectly.

I just did a rescan and got all of my digital OTA channels. The FCC site list, as well as TVFool and antennaweb will only show the primary channel (the .1), they will not show all the subchannels available. I would check your channel settings to make sure it is set to antenna, and also check the hide channel list to see if a channel was added there. Atmospheric conditions may also impact the channels received at any given time.
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I just did a rescan and got all of my digital OTA channels. The FCC site list, as well as TVFool and antennaweb will only show the primary channel (the .1), they will not show all the subchannels available. I would check your channel settings to make sure it is set to antenna, and also check the hide channel list to see if a channel was added there. Atmospheric conditions may also impact the channels received at any given time.
After a scan, I go to show/hide channels (other than the channels that were added with a .1, .2 etc) the list only populates whole numbers. In other words I want to add 12.1 and 12.2, but only "12" is in the Sony menu and it will not accept entering 12.1.
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After a scan, I go to show/hide channels (other than the channels that were added with a .1, .2 etc) the list only populates whole numbers. In other words I want to add 12.1 and 12.2, but only "12" is in the Sony menu and it will not accept entering 12.1.
That odd, did you recently do/did your TV automatically do a firmware update?
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After a scan, I go to show/hide channels (other than the channels that were added with a .1, .2 etc) the list only populates whole numbers. In other words I want to add 12.1 and 12.2, but only "12" is in the Sony menu and it will not accept entering 12.1.

If during the scan the TV doesn't find a channel, and its subchannels, it will show as whole numbers, and the box next to those numbers will be unchecked. Have you tried pointing your antenna to the direction of channel 12 antenna tower, also trying to raise it higher? If your home antenna is passive, perhaps replacing it with a power amplified version will help. Again, it could be atmospheric conditions, or they lowered their ERP output (rarely done). I definitely would try to relocate your antenna first, if that doesn't work, then use different home antenna. Are the channels you are not receiving from the same general direction, like from the same antenna farm?
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That odd, did you recently do/did your TV automatically do a firmware update?
Yes, I usb'ed v6.5850 to both sets about ten days ago.

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If during the scan the TV doesn't find a channel, and its subchannels, it will show as whole numbers, and the box next to those numbers will be unchecked. Have you tried pointing your antenna to the direction of channel 12 antenna tower, also trying to raise it higher? If your home antenna is passive, perhaps replacing it with a power amplified version will help. Again, it could be atmospheric conditions, or they lowered their ERP output (rarely done). I definitely would try to relocate your antenna first, if that doesn't work, then use different home antenna. Are the channels you are not receiving from the same general direction, like from the same antenna farm?
Good suggestions, thank you. I'm out in more rural horse country, west of Palm Beach. Most of the stations are east of us, in West PB, extending south, closer to the Atlantic Ocean.
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Good suggestions, thank you. I'm out in more rural horse country, west of Palm Beach. Most of the stations are east of us, in West PB, extending south, closer to the Atlantic Ocean.

Looking into the channels you are missing, I see that virtual channel 12 and 5, are actually RF channels 13 and 12, respectively, which are considered hi-VHF channels. Most HDTV antennas are manufactured to tune to UHF frequencies. If you do replace your antenna, make sure they are capable to receive at least hi-VHF/UHF. I have a station on RF channel 9, and even though the tower is one of the closest to me, it is one of the weakest stations received.
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Thanks again for all your feedback! I posted a couple pics of my screen during a black scene on avengers on Netflix app. Not sure how easy it is to see but there’s a faint white vertical line down the right half of the screen along with a couple white “clouds” to the right of that. There’s also another couple of faint clouds on the left half.

They aren’t super noticeable most of the time, but dark scenes get to be irritating. Especially after knowing they’re there. Then it’s hard to unsee them. I would appreciate yours any others input on whether or not I should try and get this replaced from bestbuy and/or Sony.

Thanks again!

By the intensity of the clouding im assuming that you have local dimming off?No matter what tho i would exchange it if only for the white strip that is visible...
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Has anyone had any issues when trying to update to the new firmware by USB? I've tried 2 different FAT32-formatted USB sticks with the new firmware file extracted to the root menu, but nothing happens when I plug them into the TV. I've tried both USB ports and turned the TV off and on again, but I can't get the update process to start. I tried reformatting the sticks (both quick and full), but no dice. Any ideas?

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I had this issue when I first bought the TV, using a a 16GB USB thumb drive with the firmware loaded onto it. I could never get my TV to recognize it. t would show that it was plugged in but that it was removed again, while it was still plugged in. I tried reformatting a few ways and always had the same issue, and so I gave up on it. I was meaning to try again with another thumb drive but then held off because of the issues that sprang up with the firmware update for people.

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You would use BT1886 for SDR, and the HDR for HDR and Dolby Vision, you can set different settings for each in each input.

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I know but i can only use one 10 point, my tv will not save two, am i missing something? i am asking only about the 10 point.

if the 900F will only save one 10 point what one should i use?
[quote=Anderegg;58010302]If you mean only one POINT, then select the point and press the right or left arrow on the 4 way dial...it will bring up the additional OFFSET for each POINT, 1 through 10.

If you mean only one white balance, you can change that from Expert 1, to 2, to Warm, to Neutral etc.

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I think there is a misunderstanding here. If @southbay1 is using an AVR he, like me, only uses one HDMI in on the TV. Assuming he's using HDMI 3 for the ARC capability. In this secaniro I and possibly Southbay1 can only save one set of 10 point adjustments. The TV only sees one input and thus the confusion and question. If you can only set the 10 point once and it will never change. What 10 setting would you recommend.

Unless I am missing something here, and that is quite possible? Correct me if I am wrong southbay1.
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If you mean only one POINT, then select the point and press the right or left arrow on the 4 way dial...it will bring up the additional OFFSET for each POINT, 1 through 10.

If you mean only one white balance, you can change that from Expert 1, to 2, to Warm, to Neutral etc.

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I think there is a misunderstanding here. If @southbay1 is using an AVR he, like me, only uses one HDMI in on the TV. Assuming he's using HDMI 3 for the ARC capability. In this secaniro I and possibly Southbay1 can only save one set of 10 point adjustments. The TV only sees one input and thus the confusion and question. If you can only set the 10 point once and it will never change. What 10 setting would you recommend.

Unless I am missing something here, and that is quite possible? Correct me if I am wrong southbay1.
You are correct.

Overall I love this TV, but only being able to save one 10 point per input is a shortcoming. What do you do when a single input has SDR, and HDR?
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Yeah, the USB stick was formatted correctly. I downloaded the Zip file from Sony, extracted the package file and transferred it to the stick. How long does it take before the installation process starts after inserting a USB device?

I wonder if I should insert a USB device with media on it just to make sure the ports are working correctly. Maybe the TV just doesn't like my sticks...



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I had this issue when I first bought the TV, using a a 16GB USB thumb drive with the firmware loaded onto it. I could never get my TV to recognize it. t would show that it was plugged in but that it was removed again, while it was still plugged in. I tried reformatting a few ways and always had the same issue, and so I gave up on it. I was meaning to try again with another thumb drive but then held off because of the issues that sprang up with the firmware update for people.

I believe someone else had the same problems but was able to complete the update when they switched brands for the thumb drive.
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You can use Cinema Home and Cinema Pro, one for the SDR and the other for HDR. If the HDR is DV then the 10 point is the one belonging to DV. By the way to set the 10 points for the DV you need to play a DV content, right? I mean only playing a DV content you can have your TV operating with the DV mode, correct?
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You can use Cinema Home and Cinema Pro, one for the SDR and the other for HDR. If the HDR is DV then the 10 point is the one belonging to DV. By the way to set the 10 points for the DV you need to play a DV content, right? I mean only playing a DV content you can have your TV operating with the DV mode, correct?
You are correct, you can save DV with its own 10 point, but if HDR is not DV then it is back to the same single saved 10 point for SDR and HRD. As far as I can tell Cinema Home and Cinema Pro or any other profile makes no difference to saving more than one 10 point. I don’t know of a way to make the TV to play in DV mode for all HDR content. Yes you do need to be playing DV to set the 10 point.
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