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The Clearness setting addresses image processing used to reduce the blurring that occurs when quick-moving objects move across the screen at low frame rates, boosting the frame rate by estimating what image would come in between two frames of content, and adding the interstitial frames. This is the biggest offender in the soap-opera effect, so keep this to a minimum.

The Smoothness setting reduces the stutter effect caused by using a high frame (60Hz or higher) to display lower-frame-rate content, such as 24Hz cinema film. If you’re still having issues, pull back on this after reducing the Clearness setting.

- More info, "What Is Motion Flow" by Steve Lander: https://itstillworks.com/sony-motionflow-17525.html
Actually, they are the opposite, I think you may have accidentally transposed the descriptors. Also, Clearness is also know as Black Frame Insertion, or BFI for short, for those that want to google research it some more. I find cranking the Clearness to MAX and increasing my backlight to MAX to compensate, really helps out on 24Hz movies when the camera pans and windows and buildings do that little jerky trail across the screen...not judder, but that ugly stutter as the pixel response of the TV is not the greatest.

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where do I go to access the 10 point adjustments?
Press Action Menu/Picture adjustments/Advanced Settings/Color/Adv. Color Temperature/Color Gamma Adjustment Points

When you press Color Gamma Adjustment Points, you can right or left arrow to select each point, and down arrow to select the R G or B off-set for each point. The RGB Gain and RGB Bias are the 2 point system. Ensure you first select the COLOR TEMPERATURE in Action Menu/Picture adjustments/Advanced Settings/Color/Color Temperature before making adjustments, as Color Temperature selects which settings you are adjusting in the Color Gamma Adjustment Points menu.

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I was looking to catch up on the new season of agents of shield...it looked quite terrible. I have a dtv 1080i feed. I tried tweaking the clearness setting but it didn't help. I guess the feed was too compressed with blocking and banding everywhere.
Could always wait until the new season makes it onto Netflix in glorious 1080 24p 5Mbps happiness. Agents of Shield is an ABC Network show, and ABC broadcasts 720 60p, so I find that streaming it in 1080p looks a lot better compared to my 720p mpeg2 reception.

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Hi gang,

I’ve had this TV for about a year now and thoroughly enjoying it. However over the past month or so I’ve been noticing a great deal of colour banding when gaming, mainly when looking up at the sky box in a variety of different games (day&night)

Even when using the smooth gradation function on the tv it can still be seen slightly. I just wondered whether this is normal and has always been there, or there could be a problem somewhere.

Thank you for your time

Josh
You will also notice banding in HDR10 and Dolby Vision, even with proper 10 bit HDMI input and signal. I only use smooth gradient on HDR material and set to LOW, as I find it can reduce those fine line gradiations in say a deep blue sky. On SDR though, you pump it to max and any step actually, and you will see a definitive blurring of the entire picture. 8 bit is 8 bit, the banding you see is simply the banding that exists.

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So Paul you set Smooth Gradiation to max with SDR content? And low with HDR? Thank you
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Actually, they are the opposite, I think you may have accidentally transposed the descriptors. Also, Clearness is also know as Black Frame Insertion, or BFI for short, for those that want to google research it some more. I find cranking the Clearness to MAX and increasing my backlight to MAX to compensate, really helps out on 24Hz movies when the camera pans and windows and buildings do that little jerky trail across the screen...not judder, but that ugly stutter as the pixel response of the TV is not the greatest.

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***Thanks. I checked and it’s a direct quotation, so it looks like Tom has it reversed. I should have examined it closer.
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***OTA versus cable or satellite: If you really want to see how compression affects picture quality, then take a look at the PGA Golf Tournament on cable/satellite and then OTA. What a noticeable difference. You can clearly see the blades of grass with OTA. Especially the tall grass in the rough. Much finer detail and clarity. You can even see the small leaves on the trees from the tee box on a couple of holes. Stunning picture. Brighter, as well.

By the way - after seeing the course layout at Bethpage Black, I have ZERO interest in ever playing (or imagining playing) that golf course. Way too tight and narrow fairways. Rough area with tall grass where cattle and cows could graze. I’d be “in jail” on every single hole. I’d probably chuck it after nine holes and start drinking at the clubhouse.
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***Thanks. I checked and it’s a direct quotation, so it looks like Tom has it reversed. I should have examined it closer.
Sorry, I leave it off...I meant if you turn it to MAX (SDR) you will see the entire picture blur out.

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***OTA versus cable or satellite: If you really want to see how compression affects picture quality, then take a look at the PGA Golf Tournament on cable/satellite and then OTA. What a noticeable difference. You can clearly see the blades of grass with OTA. Especially the tall grass in the rough. Much finer detail and clarity. You can even see the small leaves on the trees from the tee box on a couple of holes. Stunning picture. Brighter, as well.

By the way - after seeing the course layout at Bethpage Black, I have ZERO interest in ever playing (or imagining playing) that golf course. Way too tight and narrow fairways. Rough area with tall grass where cattle and cows could graze. I’d be “in jail” on every single hole. I’d probably chuck it after nine holes and start drinking at the clubhouse.
I would join at the 19th hole!, as my property for “jail” on that course would bring out the 4 letter words.

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A few weeks ago our old 50" Panny GT50 Plasma TV in the wife's…

….. I secretly tested it in my Man-Room side-by-side with my 55X900E for several days then packed it back up in it's original box, and hid that box inside my empty 55X900E box we have stored in the back of the garage so the wife will never know it's really there ha ha. Now i have a really good backup TV sitting on deck for her when her old Plasma finally does die.

I have half a mind to swap it out in her den when she's out of town next week and see now long it takes her to notice, then see if she lets me leave it there after she calms down LOL.

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How many of you guys play games in HDR? Is it hard to dial in setting for them or are they all mostly the same settings?
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How many of you guys play games in HDR? Is it hard to dial in setting for them or are they all mostly the same settings?
Here are my best HDR10 calibrated settings for the X900F. Works amazeballs on Forza Horizon 4...the curve allows Forza to indicate 1200nit output from the in game HDR brightness slider. Make sure you run 10 bit 4:2:2 limited if you are aiming for 4K 60Hz.

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A few weeks ago our old 50" Panny GT50 Plasma TV in the wife's Den suddenly started buzzing loudly and became unwatchable. I wanted to fix it but she said lets just get a new TV and my first thought is "Ok, lets run over to BB and grab a Sony 49X900F" (since she does like my 55X900E in the Man-Room) but when i told her it's a thousand bucks plus tax she stopped me right there and said no way is she paying that much for a TV. WTF.

So she had me look into the current brands/models of 48"-50" LCD TVs below $400 (size & price limits are apparently non-negotiable). I scanned the various TCL, Vizio, Hisense, etc threads here and went to BB to have a look at em but i wasn't getting any warm fuzzy's on these bargain brands. This is our primary nightly display and we don't want a crappy TV so i checked Craigslist for used Panny Plasmas and Sony LCD TVs and found a few possible candidates, but they were over her $400 budget. She said no-go. So the next day i removed the rear cover of the GT50 and sure enough some board screws were loose (a common issue) so i snugged em down and the TV is virtually silent again and now we don't need a new TV afterall. Wife is super happy too since it didn't cost her anything.

But there was this one ad on Craigslist that i kept seeing for a lightly used 49X900F nearby in perfect like-new condition for less than half the price of a new one. It was nagging away at me so i finally contacted the seller - he had size remorse a few months after he got it and replaced it with a much larger screen and just wanted this one gone. So i went over and checked it out and bought it on the spot even though we don't need it. The deal was too good to pass up. And we WILL eventually need it i'm sure. I secretly tested it in my Man-Room side-by-side with my 55X900E for several days then packed it back up in it's original box, and hid that box inside my empty 55X900E box we have stored in the back of the garage so the wife will never know it's really there ha ha. Now i have a really good backup TV sitting on deck for her when her old Plasma finally does die.

I have half a mind to swap it out in her den when she's out of town next week and see now long it takes her to notice, then see if she lets me leave it there after she calms down LOL.
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Just got the update pushed to my tv , and now when I watch movies from my hdd it starts to cut, and also dts is freezing and glitching certain movies on my hdd , especially 4K hdr, wasn’t this suppose to be fixed , all was well before the update
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Posted some new and improved SDR and HDR calibrations in the X900F settings thread, for those who are interested. Updated settings always available in the link in my signature.

SDR BT.1886 2.4 gamma
Cinema Home
Expert 2
Brightness 3 (for 100cd/m)
Contrast Max
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X-tended not recommended for SDR
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R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -6
R-Bias 13
G-Bias 14
B-Bias 9

10 Point Expert 2
Point 1 19 18 8
Point .......

Tried this settings this morning watching Moto GP....best picture quality so far. Im very satisfied with the results in SDR.
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I am ready to buy a new TV and am debating between the XBR85X850G and the XBR85X900F. I watch content mainly through my Fire box and some OTA and I dont do any gaming. Is the XBR85X900F worth the extra $1000?
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I am ready to buy a new TV and am debating between the XBR85X850G and the XBR85X900F. I watch content mainly through my Fire box and some OTA and I dont do any gaming. Is the XBR85X900F worth the extra $1000?
There are no reviews from the major review sites for the 850G series yet. If you have the budget, the 900F will be better due to local dimming and the faster processor. The 850G does have eARC which is a nice advantage in addition to the lower price.

If you can live without Dolby Vision you might want to consider the 2018 85 inch 850F as well, which has been selling for a bit over 2K.
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Vudu seems to be good at responding to bugs. Vudu HDR was messed up after the first Oreo update (6.5830?), they fixed it within a couple of weeks.

Seems like Vudu fixed the 5.1 surround bug. Just tested it and its working. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Yup. Mine is fixed too. I just started watching Hulu and realized it was 2-channel outpt as well. Has it always been this way? No 5.1 from Hulu?
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Looking for some advice. I'm not trying to discuss price. I'm just giving it for reference, to get accurate advice. A local retailer has an open box 65" X900F for over $300 off the current price. It doesn't have the stand (don't need because it will be mounted), remote (don't need because I have a Harmony), or documentation (can be found online). My big concern is that it was the display unit, so who knows how many hours it has on it. It still has the standard 45-day return policy and 1-year warranty. Should I be concerned about the fact that it was the display unit and the number of hours it has on it? My current TV is a 2012 plasma that has over 14,000 hours on it, but I don't know if that is a bigger concern on new LEDs. Thanks for any advice you all can give.
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Looking for some advice. I'm not trying to discuss price. I'm just giving it for reference, to get accurate advice. A local retailer has an open box 65" X900F for over $300 off the current price. It doesn't have the stand (don't need because it will be mounted), remote (don't need because I have a Harmony), or documentation (can be found online). My big concern is that it was the display unit, so who knows how many hours it has on it. It still has the standard 45-day return policy and 1-year warranty. Should I be concerned about the fact that it was the display unit and the number of hours it has on it? My current TV is a 2012 plasma that has over 14,000 hours on it, but I don't know if that is a bigger concern on new LEDs. Thanks for any advice you all can give.

$300 off isn't enough for me to even consider with everything missing and the unknown hours on it.



They're $1,599 now at BB so the asking price is $1,299?


If I wanted the TV bad enough I would offer them no more than $999 and if they said no I'd walk.
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Looking for some advice. I'm not trying to discuss price. I'm just giving it for reference, to get accurate advice. A local retailer has an open box 65" X900F for over $300 off the current price. It doesn't have the stand (don't need because it will be mounted), remote (don't need because I have a Harmony), or documentation (can be found online). My big concern is that it was the display unit, so who knows how many hours it has on it. It still has the standard 45-day return policy and 1-year warranty. Should I be concerned about the fact that it was the display unit and the number of hours it has on it? My current TV is a 2012 plasma that has over 14,000 hours on it, but I don't know if that is a bigger concern on new LEDs. Thanks for any advice you all can give.
not worth the discount for the item missing, you could get the price for those items from SONY and see where you end up, it could give you some bargaining chip. the tv run almost 12 hours a day at BB. i would not recommend for the price. may be under 1K.
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ill wait for memorial day weekend IF there are sales on the 65.

as i understand it shipped from greentoe warranty is included and i can buy squaretrade warranty to go along with it.

anyone order from there recently and got it for $1300?
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Here are my best HDR10 calibrated settings for the X900F. Works amazeballs on Forza Horizon 4...the curve allows Forza to indicate 1200nit output from the in game HDR brightness slider. Make sure you run 10 bit 4:2:2 limited if you are aiming for 4K 60Hz.

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Thank you for this. But I did hear you shouldn't mess with your 10 point by yourself since everybody's panel is different. Any truth to that?
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Thank you for this. But I did hear you shouldn't mess with your 10 point by yourself since everybody's panel is different. Any truth to that?
If you want something other than stock blue Sony white balance, BT.1886, or anything close to calibrated HDR10, you either need to buy a meter and calibrate, or use someone elses settings. And WB will vary per panel, but for the most part, the GAMMA CURVE, what you change for BT.1886 and HDR10, is independent of color hue. If you use a shared calibration 10 point, you can always nudge your RGB Gain and Bias if you see any highlight or shadow hues that are not right.

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How is this TV compared to LG Nano Cell 9 Series (2019)?

I bought the 75” X900F recently (so I still have little time to return it), and then I found the new LG Nano Cell 9 Series (2019), the 75” of both TVs have the same price but the LG one is 2019 model, so it comes with eARC which is big deal to me but I don’t to jump with that if picture quality is worse than x900f. RTINGS haven’t reviewed the LG TV so I can’t judge on the TV quality and performance. I have the TV in dark room and my main usages are Movies, TV shows, and PC gaming (which the x900f is kinda disappointing to me)
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Looking for some advice. I'm not trying to discuss price. I'm just giving it for reference, to get accurate advice. A local retailer has an open box 65" X900F for over $300 off the current price. It doesn't have the stand (don't need because it will be mounted), remote (don't need because I have a Harmony), or documentation (can be found online). My big concern is that it was the display unit, so who knows how many hours it has on it. It still has the standard 45-day return policy and 1-year warranty. Should I be concerned about the fact that it was the display unit and the number of hours it has on it? My current TV is a 2012 plasma that has over 14,000 hours on it, but I don't know if that is a bigger concern on new LEDs. Thanks for any advice you all can give.
Don't. Display units are the worst. 300$ off is not worth it.

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If you want something other than stock blue Sony white balance, BT.1886, or anything close to calibrated HDR10, you either need to buy a meter and calibrate, or use someone elses settings. And WB will vary per panel, but for the most part, the GAMMA CURVE, what you change for BT.1886 and HDR10, is independent of color hue. If you use a shared calibration 10 point, you can always nude your RGB Gain and Bias if you see any highlight or shadow hues that are not right.

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Ok, thanks. I am getting the TV tomorrow and will try your settings and let you know how it looks.
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Ok, thanks. I am getting the TV tomorrow and will try your settings and let you know how it looks.
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I have STR-DN1080 connected to HDMI 3 input. What input to connect to Apple TV for DV and Atmos to work. I am avoiding to use Receiver inputs.

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I have STR-DN1080 connected to HDMI 3 input. What input to connect to Apple TV for DV and Atmos to work. I am avoiding to use Receiver inputs.

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I'm sorry, I can't help you. I won't have the TV until tomorrow. Perhaps you quoted the wrong person?
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I'm sorry, I can't help you. I won't have the TV until tomorrow. Perhaps you quoted the wrong person?
HDMI2...but HDMI 1 and 4 can also do 4K HDR, assuming your device can send a 24Hz signal...most devices like Chromecast and Fire TV force 4K 60Hz, which requires additional "enhanced" bandwidth.

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HDMI2...but HDMI 1 and 4 can also do 4K HDR, assuming your device can send a 24Hz signal...most devices like Chromecast and Fire TV force 4K 60Hz, which requires additional "enhanced" bandwidth.

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Thank you. I connected Apple TV to HDMI 2 and it is working fine for DV and Atmos now but did not work connected to HDMI 4. Can it work if I change the settings to 24Hz in Apple TV?

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