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So what are the chances the 85 900F’s PQ would be on par with my 940D? Or even better than my 940D?
Since rtings never did a proper review of the 940D, it’s hard to compare apples to apples. Also, rtings will never review the 85” 900F.
My room really needs an 85 set. The 75 looks smallish, but I absolutely cannot take a step back in PQ.
I think the 900F will be brighter for sure... I wonder about the zone count on the 85 - that’s a big display to have a low zone count.
Unfortunately the reality will be that since LeEco is no longer selling sets,the 900F is the only FALD 85+ available in the market. All other models are not only more expensive but also Edge Lit (in case of the LG models for example, with extremely poor uniformity and atrocious local dimming).
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So what are the chances the 85 900F’s PQ would be on par with my 940D? Or even better than my 940D?
Since rtings never did a proper review of the 940D, it’s hard to compare apples to apples. Also, rtings will never review the 85” 900F.
My room really needs an 85 set. The 75 looks smallish, but I absolutely cannot take a step back in PQ.
I think the 900F will be brighter for sure... I wonder about the zone count on the 85 - that’s a big display to have a low zone count.
I went from the 940d to the 75 inch 900e. Local dimming was a bit better on the 940d so if the 900f is a little better than the 900e I would expect it to be pretty close. The 900e is brighter than the 940d and the motion is a bit better. The colors are also more vibrant. So I would expect the 900f to be better in just about every way and very close in terms of black levels and local dimming. I believe the 940d had 96 zones

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Has anyone actually got one of these yet? If so and you’re a gamer could you check a couple of things for me please?

1 The Rtings review mentioned severe overshoot on this tv. Is this a problem when gaming in game mode?

2. I’m trying to find out if there is any additional input lag in game mode when using the x motion clarity. The HDTV Magazin test video said there was no additional lag, but I’ve yet to find anywhere else that confirms this.

So if anyone games on this tv I would be most grateful for your input.

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Has anyone actually got one of these yet? If so and you’re a gamer could you check a couple of things for me please?

1 The Rtings review mentioned severe overshoot on this tv. Is this a problem when gaming in game mode?

2. I’m trying to find out if there is any additional input lag in game mode when using the x motion clarity. The HDTV Magazin test video said there was no additional lag, but I’ve yet to find anywhere else that confirms this.

So if anyone games on this tv I would be most grateful for your input.

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I would also be interested to know, specially in HDR GAME Mode. Thank you!
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The sweet spot in my set up is about 14’ away from the set, will I be able to the benefits of 4K on the 85” from that distance? I feel like 85” will be HUGE, I currently have 62”

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A bit off topic and I should know this by now since I"ve been around this forum browsing for a few years, but why is posting the price of a TV taboo?
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I went from the 940d to the 75 inch 900e. Local dimming was a bit better on the 940d so if the 900f is a little better than the 900e I would expect it to be pretty close. The 900e is brighter than the 940d and the motion is a bit better. The colors are also more vibrant. So I would expect the 900f to be better in just about every way and very close in terms of black levels and local dimming. I believe the 940d had 96 zones
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The sweet spot in my set up is about 14’ away from the set, will I be able to the benefits of 4K on the 85” from that distance? I feel like 85” will be HUGE, I currently have 62”
Good grief that’s far away. I’m at 11ft and my 75 is small. And yes, I can resolve individual 4K pixels easily at that distance.

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The sweet spot in my set up is about 14’ away from the set, will I be able to the benefits of 4K on the 85” from that distance? I feel like 85” will be HUGE, I currently have 62”
85" should be just perfect at that distance although I would be a bit closer but that's just me.
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Some comparison measurements between the 900f and 930e from the rtings reviews


contrast ratio with local dimming activated -
x900f- 5725:1
x930e - 6564:1

rtings doesnt mention zone counts, but the 930e has a little more of them

peak brightness for hdr (sustained 10% window) -
x900f - 974 nits
x930e- 1510 nits

that's quite a difference for peak brightness. interestingly, the x900f doesnt hit 1000 nits in any of the peak brightness measurements that rtings did. earlier it was being said x900f exceeeds 1000 nits for hdr.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930e

I still think the 930e is the higher end model though the gap is closed from the 900e. the 900f is an incremental upgrade to the 900e.

I would suggest getting 930e if you care about dolby vision, if you dont, save money and get 900e.
You guys are killing me :-). I was all set to get a 900f now it looks like the 930e makes more sense. A major reason I’m upgrading from my Samsung JS9000 is Dolby Vision and 4K Apple TV is my only source.
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Perhaps someone that has this tv could test the TVs own amazon video app on UHD HDR10 content and see if it still stutters away like a mad man. I feel the amazon video app has being getting worse on the 900e with each new update. Watching season 2 of sneaky pete in hdr was tough going ... even though it’s a great show :-)
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So what are the chances the 85 900F’s PQ would be on par with my 940D? Or even better than my 940D?
Since rtings never did a proper review of the 940D, it’s hard to compare apples to apples. Also, rtings will never review the 85” 900F.
My room really needs an 85 set. The 75 looks smallish, but I absolutely cannot take a step back in PQ.
I think the 900F will be brighter for sure... I wonder about the zone count on the 85 - that’s a big display to have a low zone count.
940D would have more FALD zones per square inch making it the better set in theory, but we will see how it plays out in the real world...
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A bit off topic and I should know this by now since I"ve been around this forum browsing for a few years, but why is posting the price of a TV taboo?
Because if you for example bought one for x amount and in the next couple of days someone comes telling they got it for $500 less do you really want to hear that? I've really only come across this rule here on AVS, I even received a warning in a non-owners thread with 'no price talk' .
But it actually seems like a sensible rule, in an owners thread anyway, avoids all the talk of overpaying etc.
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A bit off topic and I should know this by now since I"ve been around this forum browsing for a few years, but why is posting the price of a TV taboo?
There is not a ban on posting prices on the forum, just on specific threads where readers are more interested in owner experiences and technical issues. If discussing price is of interest to you, there is nothing preventing you from creating a “deals” thread.
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Has anyone reviewed the 85" yet?
Don't think so. From what I understand the 85" ships March 30.
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Don't think so. From what I understand the 85" ships March 30.
I am just worried that the number of zones isn't increasing as the screen size increases.

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The sweet spot in my set up is about 14’ away from the set, will I be able to the benefits of 4K on the 85” from that distance? I feel like 85” will be HUGE, I currently have 62”
I have seats in my home theater at 14' and found that about 120" was the perfect size at that distance.

So no, 85" at 14' isn't HUGE. In my opinion, it's too small.

My living room has a 10' viewing distance. The biggest TV I can fit on the wall is 90" and I will attempt to get as close to that as I can Black Friday 2019. (waiting for HDMI 2.1, which should be on all sets next year)
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Did all sizes have a price drop or just the 85"?
In a way yes, It seems to me as if Sony decided to change there MSRP across the board on 900F just before or as they where getting released.
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I don't hold rtings to be the holy grail of tv reviewers but they do get pretty specific. They were the first to mention the motion issues with the 940e and I bought it anyway and they were right about the motion. They did mention in their review of the 900f that it has severe overshoot issues so dark scenes may have issues with ghosting. Can you comment on this at all?

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I went from the 940d to the 75 inch 900e. Local dimming was a bit better on the 940d so if the 900f is a little better than the 900e I would expect it to be pretty close. The 900e is brighter than the 940d and the motion is a bit better. The colors are also more vibrant. So I would expect the 900f to be better in just about every way and very close in terms of black levels and local dimming. I believe the 940d had 96 zones
This is very reassuring, my father has a 75" 940d and i would be happy with that as once it was setup properly it is an awesome TV.

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I don't hold rtings to be the holy grail of tv reviewers but they do get pretty specific. They were the first to mention the motion issues with the 940e and I bought it anyway and they were right about the motion. They did mention in their review of the 900f that it has severe overshoot issues so dark scenes may have issues with ghosting. Can you comment on this at all?
I don’t understand the overshoot. I read the review but I don’t understand why it happens and will it occur on the 65” or larger since they reviewed the 55.
What’s worse slow pixel response on my Z9 or overshoot on the 900F?
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Me too?
Could someone also PM me the price and seller for the 85” Sony? Thank you
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I don't hold rtings to be the holy grail of tv reviewers but they do get pretty specific. They were the first to mention the motion issues with the 940e and I bought it anyway and they were right about the motion. They did mention in their review of the 900f that it has severe overshoot issues so dark scenes may have issues with ghosting. Can you comment on this at all?
I don’t understand the overshoot. I read the review but I don’t understand why it happens and will it occur on the 65” or larger since they reviewed the 55.
What’s worse slow pixel response on my Z9 or overshoot on the 900F?
The 900f for sure. You'd only notice overshoot on certain traditions where as you notice slow pixel response on everything. Rtings said on some dark scenes hosting happens sometimes...would love to get an owners feedback
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85" should be just perfect at that distance although I would be a bit closer but that's just me.
I am 13' away from my 108" screen, and if I was any further away, I would lose the advantage of 1080p. That 108" screen does not come close to covering my periphery. People can sit closer and go bigger than they usually imagine. Yes, I know there is a "formula."
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I suggest using google search or perhaps check with the OP of this thread. If someone has a good deal to mention then the good deals section would be a good place to check.
The owners thread is not really the place for pricing info. Let’s try and not get this thread closed.

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The 900f for sure. You'd only notice overshoot on certain traditions where as you notice slow pixel response on everything. Rtings said on some dark scenes hosting happens sometimes...would love to get an owners feedback
It may be worth asking for more details in the comments section at the bottom of the Rtings review. I can’t do it myself as I’m from the UK, and they restrict the comments to US only.
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Ive tried that, it still won’t let me post for some reason. I’m on iPad if that makes a difference.
Ive managed to post the question to Rtings now, the problem was using Safari, once I switched to Chrome everything worked perfectly. The question will be posted once it gets answered.

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