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Who do we bug about getting filmmaker mode on Sony TV's?
If you are reading this thread then you don't need it anyway. There are already Cinema modes on almost every TV. If that's not enough you can follow any of the picture setting guides here.


Filmmaker mode is just about unifying it under a single name across all brands. And this is mostly intended for newbies. The settings that it will change are already available to you.

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If you are reading this thread then you don't need it anyway. There are already Cinema modes on almost every TV. If that's not enough you can follow any of the picture setting guides here.


Filmmaker mode is just about unifying it under a single name across all brands. And this is mostly intended for newbies. The settings that it will change are already available to you.
Just because we here don't need it doesn't mean it isn't a good idea for it to be included on Sony TV sets. And hell, if I could just toggle to a single picture mode without having to dive into every menu and make sure all processing is turned off, that's actually pretty dang convenient.
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Also,slightly off topic...the Bluray player's giving a warning that a special cable is required to enjoy the full benefit of 4K. I bought a cable that says "4K" and "1440P" on the package. Did I buy the correct cable?
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As far as cables go get “Premium Certified”, look for this certificate on the box (I use Monoprice Ultra Thin). The 900F’s resolution is 2160p.
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For all those complaining about d vision. 4k vision movies and most cable/streaming content is gorgeous as far as I'm concerned. Clearly you are all used to overexposed pictures. Like watching golf at dusk. It's really dark on the course but you wouldn't know it until the announcer says so.
When you walk into a low lit room every detail is not lit or seen. Same with sitting around a campfire. I can't see anything outside of the fire glow. I want my tv to reflect reality. If you want a bright evenly lit picture, go hd crank the brightness, contrast, and whatever else and have at it. If fake is what you want.
And another thing. I've read the same people complain about this for months. If it's misery to you sell it and spend 2,3 times the money to get what you deem is acceptable.
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For all those complaining about d vision. 4k vision movies and most cable/streaming content is gorgeous as far as I'm concerned. Clearly you are all used to overexposed pictures. Like watching golf at dusk. It's really dark on the course but you wouldn't know it until the announcer says so.
When you walk into a low lit room every detail is not lit or seen. Same with sitting around a campfire. I can't see anything outside of the fire glow. I want my tv to reflect reality. If you want a bright evenly lit picture, go hd crank the brightness, contrast, and whatever else and have at it. If fake is what you want.
And another thing. I've read the same people complain about this for months. If it's misery to you sell it and spend 2,3 times the money to get what you deem is acceptable.
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For all those complaining about d vision. 4k vision movies and most cable/streaming content is gorgeous as far as I'm concerned. Clearly you are all used to overexposed pictures. Like watching golf at dusk. It's really dark on the course but you wouldn't know it until the announcer says so.
When you walk into a low lit room every detail is not lit or seen. Same with sitting around a campfire. I can't see anything outside of the fire glow. I want my tv to reflect reality. If you want a bright evenly lit picture, go hd crank the brightness, contrast, and whatever else and have at it. If fake is what you want.
And another thing. I've read the same people complain about this for months. If it's misery to you sell it and spend 2,3 times the money to get what you deem is acceptable.
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***Here's a question for you ... 4K/HDR is just o.k. on my Sony 900F & Sony 900E TV's. Dolby Vision on my 900F is an absolute joke. A total fraud IMHO.

But - some 4K/HDR "You Tube" clips are absolutely out of this world. Very bright, very colorful, very sharp with exceptional, "nats-ass" detail. Is bandwidth the main factor on why there are no movies or any content, for that matter, that I've seen that compares to a properly 4K captured and mastered video on "You Tube?"
I have gigabit internet speed, band width is not issue. Not sure why Sony address it in 950G sets as hdr bright and hdr low light for night

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For all those complaining about d vision. 4k vision movies and most cable/streaming content is gorgeous as far as I'm concerned. Clearly you are all used to overexposed pictures. Like watching golf at dusk. It's really dark on the course but you wouldn't know it until the announcer says so.
When you walk into a low lit room every detail is not lit or seen. Same with sitting around a campfire. I can't see anything outside of the fire glow. I want my tv to reflect reality. If you want a bright evenly lit picture, go hd crank the brightness, contrast, and whatever else and have at it. If fake is what you want.
And another thing. I've read the same people complain about this for months. If it's misery to you sell it and spend 2,3 times the money to get what you deem is acceptable.
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I am not talking about hdr to be bright in night scenes, if you turn hdr off on this tv while watching hdr content everything gets more brighter, that is why SDR is much better looking on this set, I have three other tv to compare to, Sony implementation of HDR on 900F is joke. People who bought the set for bright rooms will be disappointed. I am using cinema pro mode and cinema mode on all TVs. I always had calibrated TVs in the past so I am not a viewer watching in torch mode. With cinema setting LG oled and Samsung do a better job in hdr. Oled peak brightness is half oof Sony but hdr is superb with good details. I am not alone most of people in this forum have similar opinion about DV
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Hi folks. I’m going to finally do the Oreo upgrade this weekend now that Sony seems to have fixed the issues surrounding the initial release. Is there anything that I should still be concerned about? I have all of my settings documented on a spreadsheet and plan on going through all of them after the update to make sure they are still set where I had them. Thanks in advance.
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Hi folks. I’m going to finally do the Oreo upgrade this weekend now that Sony seems to have fixed the issues surrounding the initial release. Is there anything that I should still be concerned about? I have all of my settings documented on a spreadsheet and plan on going through all of them after the update to make sure they are still set where I had them. Thanks in advance.
I’m new to this Tv but does the Oreo upgrade pertain to the Android system on the tv? Or does it update picture quality and other bugs?


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I am not talking about hdr to be bright in night scenes, if you turn hdr off on this tv while watching hdr content everything gets more brighter, that is why SDR is much better looking on this set, I have three other tv to compare to, Sony implementation of HDR on 900F is joke. People who bought the set for bright rooms will be disappointed. I am using cinema pro mode and cinema mode on all TVs. I always had calibrated TVs in the past so I am not a viewer watching in torch mode. With cinema setting LG oled and Samsung do a better job in hdr. Oled peak brightness is half oof Sony but hdr is superb with good details. I am not alone most of people in this forum have similar opinion about DV
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I would suggest you solve your hdr /DV problem by having your set calibrated. I suspect a good calibration will be able to brighten up the image without losing any accuracy.

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I would suggest you solve your hdr /DV problem by having your set calibrated. I suspect a good calibration will be able to brighten up the image without losing any accuracy.
calibration will not solve it, Tv is bright in SDR it is in DV and HDR implementation which in Software. SONY responded to this issue in 950G but no HDR bright and HDR dark in 900F. this is not my issue whole thread have many posts for similar issue.

I am OK when i watch at night but during day i switch to standard mode some times.

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I'm curious to know as well. I have this similar condition on the lower edge of the TV, 2 on the left and 2 on the right.



I didn't notice it right away, but after finding it I decided to live with it after the hassle I went through with my 75X900E getting replaced with a 75X900F which was damaged in shipment and had to get replaced again with another 75X900F that now has this issue.


I really only notice it on a full screen image with a light colored background and looking at the TV from the side. Letterboxed stuff isn't an issue at all.
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I wouldn’t accept it.

After you responded, I put a claim in with my credit card company which gives 2 years extended warranty beyond the factory warranty. Had to get a repair estimate and they stated it needed a new screen and none available, and the warranty company just came back stating my claim was approved for my original purchase price, and I guess I get to keep this TV.

I will upgrade eventually and move this TV to another room, but it is fine for now.

Thanks for the motivation to pursue this!
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Hi folks. I’m going to finally do the Oreo upgrade this weekend now that Sony seems to have fixed the issues surrounding the initial release. Is there anything that I should still be concerned about? I have all of my settings documented on a spreadsheet and plan on going through all of them after the update to make sure they are still set where I had them. Thanks in advance.
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I would suggest you solve your hdr /DV problem by having your set calibrated. I suspect a good calibration will be able to brighten up the image without losing any accuracy.
calibration will not solve it, Tv is bright in SDR it is in DV and HDR implementation which in Software. SONY responded to this issue in 950G but no HDR bright and HDR dark in 900F. this is not my issue whole thread have many posts for similar issue.

I am OK when i watch at night but during day i switch to standard mode some times.
Yea I’m with you. HDR is a mess on this set. Unwatchable during the day. It was fixed at one point but now it’s extremely dark again. I just decided to turn off HDR. I’m done.
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Yea I’m with you. HDR is a mess on this set. Unwatchable during the day. It was fixed at one point but now it’s extremely dark again. I just decided to turn off HDR. I’m done.
HDR during the day? By that, do you mean there is light shining on/around the display? If so, you really shouldn't expect much in terms of HDR or DV, should you?

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Anyone knows what the B symbol between two speakers on the top left corner means? It's the usual speaker symbol of the TV, but with B inside it.

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Damn milleniels grew up watching 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio cartoon/animated movies on iPads, expect reality to look like computer graphics :-)

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For all those complaining about d vision. 4k vision movies and most cable/streaming content is gorgeous as far as I'm concerned. Clearly you are all used to overexposed pictures. Like watching golf at dusk. It's really dark on the course but you wouldn't know it until the announcer says so.
When you walk into a low lit room every detail is not lit or seen. Same with sitting around a campfire. I can't see anything outside of the fire glow. I want my tv to reflect reality. If you want a bright evenly lit picture, go hd crank the brightness, contrast, and whatever else and have at it. If fake is what you want.
And another thing. I've read the same people complain about this for months. If it's misery to you sell it and spend 2,3 times the money to get what you deem is acceptable.
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Damn milleniels grew up watching 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio cartoon/animated movies on iPads, expect reality to look like computer graphics 🙂

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For all those complaining about d vision. 4k vision movies and most cable/streaming content is gorgeous as far as I'm concerned. Clearly you are all used to overexposed pictures. Like watching golf at dusk. It's really dark on the course but you wouldn't know it until the announcer says so.
When you walk into a low lit room every detail is not lit or seen. Same with sitting around a campfire. I can't see anything outside of the fire glow. I want my tv to reflect reality. If you want a bright evenly lit picture, go hd crank the brightness, contrast, and whatever else and have at it. If fake is what you want.
And another thing. I've read the same people complain about this for months. If it's misery to you sell it and spend 2,3 times the money to get what you deem is acceptable.
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I actually used your setting which are generally great. The exception being for a lot of DV content. My TV is in a well lit room with lots of natural light. The new avengers movie is unwatchable during the day, the image is extremely dark. Something is wrong and Sony needs to fix it.
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I think Filmmaker mode would be nice to have, if you can get a specific setting without calibration or joining a forum, then it seems like a good thing (I’m not suggesting there wouldn’t still be value in calibration). But what I would really like to know if there is a way to suggest changes / updates in writing directly to Sony (without trusting a CSR to ‘pass it on’). Something similar to Apple’s feedback, where it goes to a specific product team.

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Yeah, Dolby Vision on the X900 is definetally meant to be viewed in pitch dark theatre conditions...


Sony should just setup the Cinema Pro picture mode with the specific effects turned off to make it "filmaker mode" acceptable.

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I think Filmmaker mode would be nice to have, if you can get a specific setting without calibration or joining a forum, then it seems like a good thing (I’m not suggesting there wouldn’t still be value in calibration). But what I would really like to know if there is a way to suggest changes / updates in writing directly to Sony (without trusting a CSR to ‘pass it on’). Something similar to Apple’s feedback, where it goes to a specific product team.

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Yeah, Dolby Vision on the X900 is definetally meant to be viewed in pitch dark theatre conditions...

Sony should just setup the Cinema Pro picture mode with the specific effects turned off to make it "filmaker mode" acceptable.
I think DV looks great, no complaints, but I have a blackout screen I can lower over the outside of the house when I want daytime viewing (or it’s a hot day).

However I think your idea of turning Cinema Pro into “Filmmaker mode” is excellent, that would seem to be the intent of something called ‘pro’.

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I am not talking about hdr to be bright in night scenes, if you turn hdr off on this tv while watching hdr content everything gets more brighter, that is why SDR is much better looking on this set, I have three other tv to compare to, Sony implementation of HDR on 900F is joke. People who bought the set for bright rooms will be disappointed. I am using cinema pro mode and cinema mode on all TVs. I always had calibrated TVs in the past so I am not a viewer watching in torch mode. With cinema setting LG oled and Samsung do a better job in hdr. Oled peak brightness is half oof Sony but hdr is superb with good details. I am not alone most of people in this forum have similar opinion about DV
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I agree about x900F DV and HDR not up to what we thought we paid for. But interestingly... if you watch most HDR videos in YouTube on the x900F it looks great versus Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, and UHD discs. Try this video.. night or day... and see what you really paid for....
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Have there been any firmware updates to the TV itself?
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Have there been any firmware updates to the TV itself?

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I found the Oreo update for the Android operating system. Where would I find any firmware updates? Also, have there been any issue with any of them? Thanks!
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I found the Oreo update for the Android operating system. Where would I find any firmware updates? Also, have there been any issue with any of them? Thanks!
Sony website is where the updates are.
As far as issues with certain firmwares, search this thread; you will find users who had issues with certain firmwares and if they have been fixed or still remain unresolved.......

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Anyone knows what the B symbol between two speakers on the top left corner means? It's the usual speaker symbol of the TV, but with B inside it.


Are your hooked up to sound via Bluetooth?
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And here's an image of that symbol. Any ideas?
What device are you seeing that from? I checked that program on the ATV4K Prime app and do not see that symbol.
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