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Hi guys .. I have a question regarding upscaling 1080 picture to 4k. Do you enable AVR upscaling or you turn it off and just let the tv do the upscaling?

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Generally you want the processing to be done by the display, especially with this set that has the X1 chip. Turn the AVR upscaling off.
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I have both.. The 900f is great no doubt but it only beats the q8/q9 in motion and price .
Well in most cases the differences are slight, the guy at the store where we compared 900F to the two different QLED, he preferred the Sony's. I thought the Samsungs did some things better and Sony did some things better. I also have a LG OLED, and nothing beats that on black levels on what I have hear, but both the 900E and 900F are pretty amazing for the cost. I am debating on what set to go with but will wire it for both a projector and a fixed TV, and by the time the basement gets finally finished it will most likely fall.

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Generally you want the processing to be done by the display, especially with this set that has the X1 chip. Turn the AVR upscaling off.
Thanks for your reply.. I turned avr scaling off, and I think the TV is doing a great job!
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I am still debating on a projector or going the 85" route and saving myself some cash as a decent projector and screen will likely cost much more.
Stop looking a retail pricing and make some calls, because this is just not true, A projector will cost less and look real good with the same price as the XBR-85X900F
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Stop looking a retail pricing and make some calls, because this is just not true, A projector will cost less and look real good with the same price as the XBR-85X900F
Agree. Here is my take on projectors. If you have a light controlled room, then a projector like a JVC RS540 would be a much better option than a 85" TV set. Why? Well a 85" TV set weight about 100 lb. If you decide to sell it after 2 or 3 years, you have to sell it locally because shipping would be extremely expensive. A projector like the RS540 can be purchased for much less than a 85" X900F (Call Jeff at Cleveland Plasma or Mike Garret at AVS for a great price). If you want to sell the projector, you can ship it anywhere (keep always the original box). I have owned 6 projectors in the last 10 years and sold all of them for a good price over eBay with shipping included. Also, the picture of a good projector like projectors from JVC or Sony look more cinematic than any TV, even better than OLED. Finally, screen size limit is dictated by your wall. My projector screen is only 92" and movies look just amazing. Just my 2 cents.
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Stop looking a retail pricing and make some calls, because this is just not true, A projector will cost less and look real good with the same price as the XBR-85X900F
Thanks for the input! I have a 55" 900F for above the bar area, makes more sense to go with Projector, as this is the system I have had for years, will give you guy a shout when this basement is near completion.

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Completely unimpressed with the Dolby Vision update. Watching Netflix Lost In Space, DV emblem in the corner, but on the built in app, I see no specular highlights, the image looks very flat, flashlights in a dark cave appear dim. This is showing the new Dolby Vision picture profile in the menu. Thought I would try it on my Chromecast ultra on enhanced HDMI 2. The same content indicated Dolby Vision in the corner, but picture profile doesn't indicate DV, and the image colors are all off, whites are magenta, blacks are bright green, completely wrong colors. Something very wrong with the DV processing, and I am unable to bypass this to see the content in HDR10, which is quite irritating being stuck with broken firmware. :-(

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I am having so much trouble deciding. I have a 65 OLED. I am dying for more Realestate. As you know the 77 inch OLED is in Bill Gates zip code. I love the pq of OLED but want a 75 inch. My only option is LED-LCD. If I pull the trigger I will go with the Sony 75 900F. I don't expect the black levels of an OLED but is this a great tv? Not good but great? I've also heard Sonys DV update has some compatibility issues with other manufacturers hardware(4k players, receivers, streaming players)
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Agree. Here is my take on projectors. If you have a light controlled room, then a projector like a JVC RS540 would be a much better option than a 85" TV set. Why? Well a 85" TV set weight about 100 lb. If you decide to sell it after 2 or 3 years, you have to sell it locally because shipping would be extremely expensive. A projector like the RS540 can be purchased for much less than a 85" X900F (Call Jeff at Cleveland Plasma or Mike Garret at AVS for a great price). If you want to sell the projector, you can ship it anywhere (keep always the original box). I have owned 6 projectors in the last 10 years and sold all of them for a good price over eBay with shipping included. Also, the picture of a good projector like projectors from JVC or Sony look more cinematic than any TV, even better than OLED. Finally, screen size limit is dictated by your wall. My projector screen is only 92" and movies look just amazing. Just my 2 cents.
Pleas help! I am having trouble(I go by BB almost every other day)deciding to go from 65 OLED to 75 LED-LCD. The 75 to me has more of a cinema feel and look to it combined with my HT audio system. The problem is after watch OLED for 3 yrs and going back to LED I won't be satisfied with the pq. If I pull the trigger it will be the Sony 75 900F. Also I've read where Sonys DV update was having problems with other manufacturers hardware(4k players, receivers and streaming players)
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Another strange problem with the new DV firmware. I was in the middle of Breaking Bad season 5, the only season in HDR. It now will only playback as SDR. It seems the ONLY HDR available on the built in Netflix App are DV, and anything in HDR10 simply plays as SDR. I have been searching through Netflix, and only DV titles show, nothing shows with "HDR" playback support anymore.

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HDR on PC

Need some help here. Here is my set up:
PC connected via high speed HDMI at input 2. Input set to enhanced.
But I can't get HDR to play. I know this because I go to picture settings and it does not indicate HDR is on in the corner. netflix is the same, off the app no HDR or going online with chrome. Heck, oin netflix, there is no HDR tag for anything.

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Need some help here. Here is my set up:
PC connected via high speed HDMI at input 2. Input set to enhanced.
But I can't get HDR to play. I know this because I go to picture settings and it does not indicate HDR is on in the corner. netflix is the same, off the app no HDR or going online with chrome. Heck, oin netflix, there is no HDR tag for anything.

please help...
Not all videocards can output HDR. Make sure you’ve got one that can first.
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Are you on the latest firmware? The one that has Dolby Vision in it?

Can you try doing a hard reset on the TV? If that doesn't work maybe an exchange is in order?

Where did you get your TV? Are you able to do an exchange?

I have the latest firmware on both the TV and my top of the line Denon receiver. ARC still does not work anymore (it did initially). I would be curious to know if there are any people for whom ARC does actually work on this TV!

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There is a difference between streaming Atmos and Atmos delivered with Dolby True-HD. I don't know if the streaming variation can be delivered over optical or not but the section you quoted appears to be in reference to the lossless codec and may not be relevant.
The streaming variation also cannot be delivered over optical unfortunately. Atmos can only be transmitted via HDMI.

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I have the latest firmware on both the TV and my top of the line Denon receiver. ARC still does not work anymore (it did initially). I would be curious to know if there are any people for whom ARC does actually work on this TV!

I would think that this thread would be filled with complaints if ARC did not work on this TV for most folks. As I have stated before, since setup over 3 weeks ago, I have had no issues with ARC. Since the update, the VUDU app from the TV streams Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos without any problems via ARC.


What are your Audio/HDMI settings for the TV and the Receiver, maybe we can help.

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I would think that this thread would be filled with complaints if ARC did not work on this TV for most folks. As I have stated before, since setup over 3 weeks ago, I have had no issues with ARC. Since the update, the VUDU app from the TV streams Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos without any problems via ARC.


What are your Audio/HDMI settings for the TV and the Receiver, maybe we can help.

Well that is somewhat reassuring. I believe I did have the correct settings initially since ARC to my receiver did work right out of the box. Within one day the ARC audio would discontinue working from time to time. Then it stopped working completely. I tried every setting combination imaginable. I also tried changing cables, factory resetting everything, and then also updating the firmware on my DenonX7200WA.

I have not attempted anything since the DV update on the 900F but I doubt that would have any effect on the ARC audio output. If you think it would be worthwhile, I would be happy to PM you the settings I was using just to make sure I am not missing something. Really would love to be able to stream Atmos to my 11.2 system along with DV displayed on the screen!



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Well that is somewhat reassuring. I believe I did have the correct settings initially since ARC to my receiver did work right out of the box. Within one day the ARC audio would discontinue working from time to time. Then it stopped working completely. I tried every setting combination imaginable. I also tried changing cables, factory resetting everything, and then also updating the firmware on my DenonX7200WA.

I have not attempted anything since the DV update on the 900F but I doubt that would have any effect on the ARC audio output. If you think it would be worthwhile, I would be happy to PM you the settings I was using just to make sure I am not missing something. Really would love to be able to stream Atmos to my 11.2 system along with DV displayed on the screen!


Based on your description of the issue I would suspect the HDMI cable first. I know you said you have changed them. Two questions: are they certified 18 gbps like the Monoprice ones, and if the length of the cable is over 10 feet, that could be an issue. 15 feet is usually the max without special cable, but depending on the quality less distance might be suspect. Yes, send your TV and Receiver settings for Audio and HDMI to me via PM and I will check with mine to see if its a setting issue. I do have a Pioneer receiver, but I would think the ARC receiver settings are similar.

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Based on your description of the issue I would suspect the HDMI cable first. I know you said you have changed them. Two questions: are they certified 18 gbps like the Monoprice ones, and if the length of the cable is over 10 feet, that could be an issue. 15 feet is usually the max without special cable, but depending on the quality less distance might be suspect. Yes, send your TV and Receiver settings for Audio and HDMI to me via PM and I will check with mine to see if its a setting issue. I do have a Pioneer receiver, but I would think the ARC receiver settings are similar.
I am actually using brand new Monprice Cables "Certified Premium High Speed HDMI Cable, 4K @ 60Hz, HDR, 18Gbps, 28AWG, YUV 4:4:4, 10ft, Black". I will PM you my settings when I get a chance. Thanks very much for your input!

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I have the latest firmware on both the TV and my top of the line Denon receiver. ARC still does not work anymore (it did initially). I would be curious to know if there are any people for whom ARC does actually work on this TV!
I use the internal Netflix, Prime Video, and Vudu apps and run audio thru ARC to my Denon 4400H and works really well.

I'm using high speed hdmi cables that I got from Costco.
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I am having so much trouble deciding. I have a 65 OLED. I am dying for more Realestate. As you know the 77 inch OLED is in Bill Gates zip code. I love the pq of OLED but want a 75 inch. My only option is LED-LCD. If I pull the trigger I will go with the Sony 75 900F. I don't expect the black levels of an OLED but is this a great tv? Not good but great? I've also heard Sonys DV update has some compatibility issues with other manufacturers hardware(4k players, receivers, streaming players)
I'm in the same boat. I love my 65 inch LG OLED but want a bigger size. LG is not an option $$$$. Looking at the Sony 900F and the Samsung Q8. I like the price on the Sony much better.
But performance is the most important thing to me.

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XBR-55X900F
For $1300 at BestBuy, is this as good as the LG C7/C8 OLED for $2600?
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https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55...?skuId=6179727
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I'm using high speed hdmi cables that I got from Costco.
How do you know it's HIGH SPEED HDMI? What specs do I look for?
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https://www.costco.com/WireLogic-15-....11748509.html

I'm using these for my Nvidia Shield and Apple TV 4K, HDR and Dolby Vision works great.
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Need some help here. Here is my set up:
PC connected via high speed HDMI at input 2. Input set to enhanced.
But I can't get HDR to play. I know this because I go to picture settings and it does not indicate HDR is on in the corner. netflix is the same, off the app no HDR or going online with chrome. Heck, oin netflix, there is no HDR tag for anything.

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I literally just put a GTX1050 card into a Windows 10 PC to play with the new HDR output option in settings. Shot the signal out 12bit RGB 4K full levels and the X900F was happy to go into HDR mode on it's own. I was able to play YouTube HDR videos in all their glory, and the YouTube resolution selector even indicated the little HDR logo. My CPU is from 2012, so no Netflix for this PC, but YT and on HDD playback work just fine. With Windows 10, you have a slider for SDR brightness. If you set that slider very low, and play YouTube HDR in the little window of the webpage, the playback box will be 750nit, and the surrounding PC interface and web page will be dim

What specs are you running....video card?

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I'm in the same boat. I love my 65 inch LG OLED but want a bigger size. LG is not an option $$$$. Looking at the Sony 900F and the Samsung Q8. I like the price on the Sony much better.
But performance is the most important thing to me.

Any thoughts here?
That is the boat OLED owners are in. The boat is called: Undecided. For years I haven't had to worry about blooming, crushing, artifacts, motion, and clarity. These are the thing I worry about with LCD panels no mattert what outstanding reviews the 990f and q9fn get. I am spoiled by OLED near perfection. The ONLY thing about OLED is the brightness or nit level it cannot reach, but then again if it could it wouldn't have the perfect blacks and infinite contrast the we love so much.
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My Samsung 2015 4K TV would get residual burn in for about half an hour just from pausing Netflix for a couple of minutes. Can you imagine the burn in on a 1500nit OLED! :-O

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That is the boat OLED owners are in. The boat is called: Undecided. For years I haven't had to worry about blooming, crushing, artifacts, motion, and clarity. These are the thing I worry about with LCD panels no mattert what outstanding reviews the 990f and q9fn get. I am spoiled by OLED near perfection. The ONLY thing about OLED is the brightness or nit level it cannot reach, but then again if it could it wouldn't have the perfect blacks and infinite contrast the we love so much.
I understand that and agree. But I guess the question is, whats the next best option if I want to go up in size?
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That is the boat OLED owners are in. The boat is called: Undecided. For years I haven't had to worry about blooming, crushing, artifacts, motion, and clarity. These are the thing I worry about with LCD panels no mattert what outstanding reviews the 990f and q9fn get. I am spoiled by OLED near perfection. The ONLY thing about OLED is the brightness or nit level it cannot reach, but then again if it could it wouldn't have the perfect blacks and infinite contrast the we love so much.
Plus I read were Sonys DV update aren't compatible with some other manufacturers hardware. So if you have any other equipment thats not made by Sony you might not be able to get DV. Scary to me. Why would Sony do that. I am not buying a brand new 4k player, or receiver if its not
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I understand that and agree. But I guess the question is, whats the next best option if I want to go up in size?
FWIW I have not noticed any such issues with the 900F (blooming, motion, clarity, etc. etc.) whatsoever. After so much research prior to buying the 85" 900F I did anticipate these issues and tried to identify them initially - but my captivation from this beautiful display rapidly distracted me to the point where it is nothing but pure bliss now and occasional awe. Before making the purchase I did go to Magnolia to view most of the leading OLED panels and they did look much better in comparison. In fact, the 900F BB had on display looked atrocious and I almost changed my mind. However, now that I have it setup at home for a month, I could not imagine anything much better as far as PQ. The black levels and contrast (esp. with X-tended Dynamic Range set to high with HDR source) are superb. Not true black of course but it definitely gets the job done to say the least! This seems to be the consensus of the 900F owners from what I have seen here. Sony really got it right with this one.

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I understand that and agree. But I guess the question is, whats the next best option if I want to go up in size?
I am feeling you Nozz we don't have one! Just beware if you get Sony their DV update may not be compatible with your hardware if its from a different company because their are different DV profiles. Couldn't believe it when I read it
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