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Give them a try and let us know. Do you have a Active Monoprice cable like the Luxe Series? My understanding is that anything past 15 feet may cause issues with transmission of HDR. Adding Dolby Atmos on top of that could add more issues.


I am sure there are a number of AVS threads that discuss the 18gbps length issue and probably some experts on this thread that can chime in.
Didn’t work! The cable is monoprice hoss, I can play DV with no problem at all and [email protected] 444!

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Poor Black Uniformity/ Flashlighting - Has anyone noticed significant amounts of flashlighting on their sony tvs?
I am on my 2nd 75 inch 900F and while it is improved slightly from the first, I cant help but notice the poor uniformity unless local dimming is set to medium or high. I am not sure when I would turn it off to be honest. The last photo is with local dimming on high and the first one is from the first 900F that I returned. I am wary of returning a 900F just to receive another with the same issue or worse. Would you guys return it or keep it since local dimming on medium or above makes it unnoticeable, even in a dark room.
Wow .. the black uniformity is very bad! I watched a tv show in a dark room and didn’t notice any issues with black .. just a little blooming that is negligible.

I guess you have to wait for others to comment and then decide.
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Didn’t work! The cable is monoprice hoss, I can play DV with no problem at all and [email protected] 444!

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For clarification, the first 2 pictures were taken with the local dimming either on off or low.
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[QUOTE=OMXP;56323296]Wow .. the black uniformity is very bad! I watched a tv show in a dark room and didn’t notice any issues with black .. just a little blooming that is negligible.

I guess you have to wait for others to comment and then decide.[/QUOTE



For clarification, the first 2 pictures were taken with the local dimming either off or low. On medium or high local dimming, the blooming is negligible as well. Buying two TVs with the same issue in roughly the same locations makes me think that a 3rd one won't be any better.
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Poor Black Uniformity/ Flashlighting - Has anyone noticed significant amounts of flashlighting on their sony tvs?
I am on my 2nd 75 inch 900F and while it is improved slightly from the first, I cant help but notice the poor uniformity unless local dimming is set to medium or high. I am not sure when I would turn it off to be honest. The last photo is with local dimming on high and the first one is from the first 900F that I returned. I am wary of returning a 900F just to receive another with the same issue or worse. Would you guys return it or keep it since local dimming on medium or above makes it unnoticeable, even in a dark room.
If you look at just about any review of this TV (or similar Sony models, such as last years 900E), it recommends local dimming be set to medium or high. There's a reason for that! I'm not sure why you would even want to consider turning it off.
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Wow .. the black uniformity is very bad! I watched a tv show in a dark room and didn’t notice any issues with black .. just a little blooming that is negligible.

I guess you have to wait for others to comment and then decide.[/QUOTE



For clarification, the first 2 pictures were taken with the local dimming either off or low. On medium or high local dimming, the blooming is negligible as well. Buying two TVs with the same issue in roughly the same locations makes me think that a 3rd one won't be any better.
There is nothing wrong with your set with local dimming off and some bad uniformity. Never judge uniformity with local dimming off. You would not use a FALD tv with local dimming off. Local dimming on medium or high should get rid of all uniformity issues, and it looks like it does in your 3rd pic. I see no reason to return that set.
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Thank you for the replies. I didn't know if that was something to be concerned with or if it was normal. It had been bothering me. I cant think of an instance when I would want it off anyway.
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Is the power cable in the 75" a plug in style or is it permanently attached. If plug in style, what type is it?

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In order for devices to receive and maintain Dolby Vision certification they are required to support the new DV profile that is required for Sony TVs. I believe it is known as low-latency or Profile 5. If Samsung wants to continue to release DV certified players they "should" be releasing a firmware update to support the new "low-latency" profile. How long that will take is anybody's guess BUT any future DV certified devices will be required to support all DV profiles.
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Received my 75" 900F on Saturday and so far it's been absolutely amazing in every respect. I had a Vizio M70-D3 and HDR went from "That's nice" to "Wow!" My only issue is the Vudu app--it says it's out of date and I need a new one, and I can't find a way to update it. The TV settings says I have the latest firmware (I do have Dolby Vision on the Netflix app), and the Play store doesn't let me do anything with it either. Am I missing something obvious here?
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Anyone have a clue as to the differences in brightness, contrast and response time of the 75" vs the 65"? I'm sure they are close but it's a different panel with somewhat different general specs.
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Today, I ordered the 65F and the 9000F soundbar from Chris at ClevelandAV. Hopefully, it'll be delivered to FL early next week.

This was the first time I spoke with him, and he is a very nice guy.
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Received my 75" 900F on Saturday and so far it's been absolutely amazing in every respect. I had a Vizio M70-D3 and HDR went from "That's nice" to "Wow!" My only issue is the Vudu app--it says it's out of date and I need a new one, and I can't find a way to update it. The TV settings says I have the latest firmware (I do have Dolby Vision on the Netflix app), and the Play store doesn't let me do anything with it either. Am I missing something obvious here?
There's a thread about the android app over at the VUDU support forums and it's a known issue. The 900F was unique in that it rolled out with an open android-based version of the app with UHD support rather than one custom to the Sony firmware that did not support UHD. VUDU recently opened that up on a beta basis to 2016/2017 Sony owners, and now something seems to have gone wrong with the model compatibility checks. I'm looking for a solid UHD-supporting streaming app for renting and buying movies so I've been following it closely. At first, the app was basically useless due to constant buffering issues, even with strong Internet speed, but that's been slowly improving with app updates over the last month, so keep your fingers crossed.
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My wife ordered the 75 from Chris last night as wel. I’m not sure if she talked to him or someone else. She was told it will ship today. Decided to order from him for all the praise that he receives on these boards despite finding it a bit cheaper w greentoe. Fingers crossed that we will have no issues w the TV. Also, does anybody know how can we buy a square trade warranty if we do not have Costco. Thanks.
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Today, I ordered the 65F and the 9000F soundbar from Chris at ClevelandAV. Hopefully, it'll be delivered to FL early next week.

This was the first time I spoke with him, and he is a very nice guy.



I'm about to order from them again, I bought a Panny plasma way back and it still works fine. lol


I'm still torn between 900F, 940D and Z9D. Of course the Z9D would be in 65" as it's almost twice the money for the 75. I am definitely leaning 900F as I watch a lotta sports and want something that handles motion well. I have a 900E 55" in bedroom and although they say motion is bad on it, I'm OK with it watching baseball and the Finals. If I knew the 940D would be at least as good, I would get it because it's a super sweet build, brighter and like 300+ dimmable zones. Hmmmm decisions...decisions
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My wife ordered the 75 from Chris last night as well. I’m not sure if she talked to him or someone else. She was told it will ship today. Decided to order from him for all the praise that he receives on these boards
Same feeling here with positive comments. Ordered today and just received FedEx tracking info for a Thursday delivery. Nice and fast.
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My wife ordered the 75 from Chris last night as well. I’m not sure if she talked to him or someone else. She was told it will ship today. Decided to order from him for all the praise that he receives on these boards
Same feeling here with positive comments. Ordered today and just received FedEx tracking info for a Thursday delivery. Nice and fast.
Well since you received yours, I’m hoping to revive tracking/invoice any second then
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I'm about to order from them again, I bought a Panny plasma way back and it still works fine. lol


I'm still torn between 900F, 940D and Z9D. Of course the Z9D would be in 65" as it's almost twice the money for the 75. I am definitely leaning 900F as I watch a lotta sports and want something that handles motion well. I have a 900E 55" in bedroom and although they say motion is bad on it, I'm OK with it watching baseball and the Finals. If I knew the 940D would be at least as good, I would get it because it's a super sweet build, brighter and like 300+ dimmable zones. Hmmmm decisions...decisions
The 940d is not as bright as the 900e and it has 96 dimmable zones. I had one before I had the 900e. I left the 940d on max brightness for all content without issue. I have normal content down at 25-30 on the 900e, it's way brighter. The 940d had great local dimming though.

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The 940d is not as bright as the 900e and it has 96 dimmable zones. I had one before I had the 900e. I left the 940d on max brightness for all content without issue. I have normal content down at 25-30 on the 900e, it's way brighter. The 940d had great local dimming though.

Thx for the info. The main concern for me is the motion blur with the 940D. Can you comment on it as compared to the 900E since you had both? I thought the 940/930 were the brightest models except for the Z9D. Maybe I was confused as I have been reading so much and watching so many video reviews my head is spinning lol, but I do agree the 900E is super bright and I have brightness set around 10-15 for mostly night viewing. Of course it goes to max automatically when watching HDR content.
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Hey guys, perhaps someone can help me with this.
Where I live we do not have any professional calibrators and I have been tweaking my X900F following some instructions from rtings.
I don't know if its me but I find the color a little dull... Especially the reds, I use this sony demo as an example:
The strawberries arround 0:26 seem a little washed out for me... I tried live color on, and for that part it looked much better but looks worse for other videos as I think the colors get over saturated.
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I'm having the opposite problem. Just picked up the 55" 900F yesterday. The reds are burning bright and overwhelm everything. I'm having problems getting all the other colors balanced and looking good while keeping the reds toned down.
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I'm having the opposite problem. Just picked up the 55" 900F yesterday. The reds are burning bright and overwhelm everything. I'm having problems getting all the other colors balanced and looking good while keeping the reds toned down.

Try the rtings.com settings for this set and go from there. You might have live color turned on, it over saturates colors.


How about for under saturated colors? What should I do?
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Try the rtings.com settings for this set and go from there. You might have live color turned on, it over saturates colors.


How about for under saturated colors? What should I do?
Try bumping the color up to 60, live color on low, color temp warm

Extended dynamic range on Med, advanced contrast enhancer on low, local dimming on high, and black adjust on low/med. It's not what a calibrator would tell you to do, but that is how i have my 900e. I posted my picture settings for my set on YouTube and have over 1200 views and I think I've only gotten negative feedback from 2 people...If you hate it you can always go back. I also find rtings settings to be dull and washed out.

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Thx for the info. The main concern for me is the motion blur with the 940D. Can you comment on it as compared to the 900E since you had both? I thought the 940/930 were the brightest models except for the Z9D. Maybe I was confused as I have been reading so much and watching so many video reviews my head is spinning lol, but I do agree the 900E is super bright and I have brightness set around 10-15 for mostly night viewing. Of course it goes to max automatically when watching HDR content.
Motion on the 940d was great as far as I was concerned. The 900e has a faster pixel response time and that eliminates pretty much all trailing/smearing but does create a studder effect when you have slow panning shots. I never had an issue with the motion on the 940d. I had the 940e in between the 940d and the 900e and the motion was unbearably bad. Major trailing when watching animation and the pixel response time was so slow even the people's faces would look all shifty to me when they would turn their heads.

I had to get rid of my 940d because it developed a couple vertical bands down the center of the screen. They were not noticeable in normal content but as I started to grow my 4k hdr blu ray collection I noticed them in every movie. If not for that, I would still have that set today, it was awesome. The local dimming was nearly as good as the 940e and it had far fewer zones. It was a great set. Wish I still had it (without the banding in the center of course)

I do like a little bit of motion interpolation as well. I typically set my motionflow settings to Custom, Smoothness to 1, Clearness to Min, and Cinemotion to Med. I find this gives just a little extra smoothness without adding the unatural movement of a strong SOE.

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Try the rtings.com settings for this set and go from there. You might have live color turned on, it over saturates colors.


How about for under saturated colors? What should I do?
Live color was off. It took turning it to low to make the blues and greens pop, but the red was so oversaturated and burned with the fury of 1000 suns. This has all been ongoing while playing the ps4. Still have yet to watch a show proper.
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Live color was off. It took turning it to low to make the blues and greens pop, but the red was so oversaturated and burned with the fury of 1000 suns. This has all been ongoing while playing the ps4. Still have yet to watch a show proper.
What color temp are you using? Standard makes reds really hot. Expert tones things down a bit but I feel it makes whites dingy and yellowish. I find warm to be a good middle of the road.

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Motion on the 940d was great as far as I was concerned. The 900e has a faster pixel response time and that eliminates pretty much all trailing/smearing but does create a studder effect when you have slow panning shots. I never had an issue with the motion on the 940d. I had the 940e in between the 940d and the 900e and the motion was unbearably bad. Major trailing when watching animation and the pixel response time was so slow even the people's faces would look all shifty to me when they would turn their heads.

I had to get rid of my 940d because it developed a couple vertical bands down the center of the screen. They were not noticeable in normal content but as I started to grow my 4k hdr blu ray collection I noticed them in every movie. If not for that, I would still have that set today, it was awesome. The local dimming was nearly as good as the 940e and it had far fewer zones. It was a great set. Wish I still had it (without the banding in the center of course)

I do like a little bit of motion interpolation as well. I typically set my motionflow settings to Custom, Smoothness to 1, Clearness to Min, and Cinemotion to Med. I find this gives just a little extra smoothness without adding the unatural movement of a strong SOE.

I actually meant 940E and you say there is issues with motion which is what I had read, so I guess I will order the 900F today
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