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This thread is making me more than a little concerned about an 85" 900F! It makes it seem like almost every post is about something that is either bad or not working as expected. We do not play games here at all and thought the 85" 900Fwould be great. It sure looked great in the store next to a Samsung and LG. However, I am sorry to see that Sony still does not seem to have their Customer Service functioning very well. Also, if I pay for a new TV I do not want a refurb if something goes wrong after 90 Days. Sony did not take care of me very well after we bought the $13,000 Qualia 006 years ago! There is a whole thread on AVS about this. It sure seems like they have not improved at all.

So, am I just being over sensitive?
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Question Dolby Vision is extremely dark and grainy. Anyone Else?

Hello All,

First i'd like to thank everyone in this thread for their guidance and insight. I've been observing for several months and went ahead and pulled the trigger on a 65" x900F in April.

This has hand down been the best TV I've ever owned and I'm continually blown away by this set. HDR content looks amazing and I've even been playing God of War on PS4 in HDR and it's so beautiful that my wife will sit and watch me play, something she's never done before.

Watching the NBA Finals and now the World Cup on this TV has been an absolute joy and my guests always comment on how impressed they are.

That being said, I am experiencing some frustration since the DV update. All of my DV content is extremely dark and grainy. Now I understand that by nature HDR content is darker, but before the update it was not this dark.

Below is my best attempt to show you what I'm talking about. This is The Ranch in DV on the built in Netflix app. This scene take place in a living room and I can barely see anything, it's too dark! I'm having a similar experience across all my DV content and even using different apps/content.

Any thoughts/suggestions? A great DV experience is all that's missing from making this TV amazing for me.
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I did a search on the thread and nothing came up. I bought a USB cable extender for my 65" A1E because it is a pain to get at the USB port while the TV is hanging on the wall. Helpful to have for ease in connecting USB devices, especially if you use a USB stick for firmware updates. I am going to get another for my 55" 900F.

Here is a link for a 3.3 ft. extender- https://www.amazon.com/Extension-VCZ...n+cable+1+foot

You can also search for a 1 ft. extender, but they usually come in 2 packs.

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Whats a good size bias light for a 65"? I see a lot on Amazon but don't know what size to get for full, balanced coverage.

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Guys. which BIAS light do you recommend?
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Since we are on bias lighting, do you guys tape this all around the edge of the tv or just one strip on the middle of the tv?

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Hey Guys,

After about 10 great years with my Panny Plasma 55"... I finally decided to jump to a 65" 900f on sale for my first 4k HDR experience. I love everything about the TV, and am blown away in general.

I did have a question / concern on the clouding on menu or login type screens. Reading in this thread from Dusty5 and others... it seems its somewhat normal and even Sony says so. When you look around the web though, people post pictures similar to mine and its either a "thats normal" or a "thats bad, return it" reaction. Figured this forum has more knowledgeable people and actually own the TV so figured I'd post here.

Anyways, I've attached images from my iphone 8. All taken in a dark room with factory settings. The pics DEFINITELY look worse than in real life and it isn't as bad in person. I'm thinking because it boosts the exposure to see the clouding which then blows it out.

This clouding from the corners does NOT happen when viewing regular content or even black screens... ONLY happens on no-input screens, Netflix login screens and similar. I ran gray and black YouTube test videos and its near perfect black uniformity with none of this clouding. I attached the second screen to show how the lower right clouding is basically gone compared to the Netflix screen. The random streaks are from reflections so never mind those.

If this is somewhat normal on these sets and LCD's, then I'm fine with it as it doesn't affect normal viewing at all. Just wanted to hear from the owners/experts. Otherwise this TV rocks!
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Since we are on bias lighting, do you guys tape this all around the edge of the tv or just one strip on the middle of the tv?

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I'd go all the way around the edges. You want it to reflect off the wall behind it and top and bottom are the most important because the lighting can mask the blooming into the black bars.
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As requested by a few people here are the images of my panel showing defective areas. It’s a great panel that as I’ve said these issues aren’t visible after 6 feet and as such is a keeper.



All closeups are of the problem areas. Tomorrow late night I’ll have my settings I use for different things available to post.
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Hello All,

First i'd like to thank everyone in this thread for their guidance and insight. I've been observing for several months and went ahead and pulled the trigger on a 65" x900F in April.

This has hand down been the best TV I've ever owned and I'm continually blown away by this set. HDR content looks amazing and I've even been playing God of War on PS4 in HDR and it's so beautiful that my wife will sit and watch me play, something she's never done before.

Watching the NBA Finals and now the World Cup on this TV has been an absolute joy and my guests always comment on how impressed they are.

That being said, I am experiencing some frustration since the DV update. All of my DV content is extremely dark and grainy. Now I understand that by nature HDR content is darker, but before the update it was not this dark.

Below is my best attempt to show you what I'm talking about. This is The Ranch in DV on the built in Netflix app. This scene take place in a living room and I can barely see anything, it's too dark! I'm having a similar experience across all my DV content and even using different apps/content.

Any thoughts/suggestions? A great DV experience is all that's missing from making this TV amazing for me.
I get great DV from other sources or other shows on Netflix (Altered Carbon, etc.) but am responding because I watched the same episode today and had the same experience. I'm used to having to dial up gamma on HDR or DV shows if I watch during the daytime (at night with a bias light going, the default is fine), and you might try that for the darkness portion of the concern, but the grainy quality of The Ranch is not something I've observed on other shows so I think it's unique to that program.
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Thats good to hear. Is it just because local dimming gets shut off when certain menus like Netflix is on screen? It almost seems like the TV just keeps certain lights on and looks cloudy blotchy esp in the lower corners. I know someone else challenged you earlier in the thread about uniformity and the real test is a gray screen. I checked on a gray screen and its almost completely uniform so not sure what he was talking about.
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Thats good to hear. Is it just because local dimming gets shut off when certain menus like Netflix is on screen? It almost seems like the TV just keeps certain lights on and looks cloudy blotchy esp in the lower corners. I know someone else challenged you earlier in the thread about uniformity and the real test is a gray screen. I checked on a gray screen and its almost completely uniform so not sure what he was talking about.
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can someone whos owned both a 900e and 900f comment on contrast levels and blooming on the 2 sets. i may get upgraded to a 900f and theres this guy on youtube who swears the contrast levels on the F suck compared to the E and blooming is way worse on the f too

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yes, it shuts off on menu and loading screens
Thanks, Josh. Good to hear this is normal. I was about to get real annoyed if I had a defective panel. I also noticed it gets worse as you look at it from different angles, but I'm pretty sure its the nature of LCD at play.
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can someone whos owned both a 900e and 900f comment on contrast levels and blooming on the 2 sets. i may get upgraded to a 900f and theres this guy on youtube who swears the contrast levels on the F suck compared to the E and blooming is way worse on the f too
All I know is the contrast is very good! I had the 900e before returning it for issues and I can say the x900f has a deeper picture. I'm also in the video/design industry so I'm picky.
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All I know is the contrast is very good! I had the 900e before returning it for issues and I can say the x900f has a deeper picture. I'm also in the video/design industry so I'm picky.
good to hear. the guy on youtube is a little obsessed with the 900e...

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Hello all, can someone please tell me the screw sizes for the stand on the 75 inch 900F? I just got mine delivered from best buy this afternoon and went to put it together and the 4 screws are missing, when I called best buy this kid basically told me to go out to the hardware store and buy my own as far as I can tell the manual doesnt list them only the sizes for the wall mounting screws (M6 8mm-12mm) and that size does not fit into the stand holes.
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good to hear. the guy on youtube is a little obsessed with the 900e...
I personally feel like the blooming is worse on the 900F during HDR content compared to when I had the 900E. I feel like it has to do with the 900F being able to get brighter for those highlights though. I find the BIAS light does pretty much just as good of a job at hiding it though. The 900F is definitely an improvement overall especially if it costs you nothing over the E to obtain. As you’ll recall my vendor replaced my E with the F and I’m happy with it.

Don’t pay too much attention to the images I posted earlier. I had 3 panels that all had it to some degree but the one I kept is hardly noticeable unless you’re up close enough and looking for it. Looks fantastic from back in the area where I normally sit.

I don’t recall the name of the person on YouTube but I’m pretty sure I know who you are talking about. Quantum something or another. He’s been obsessed with the E and he’s not a professional anything. Just some random persons opinion just like us. I’m pretty sure he’s just upset his E got leapfrogged over by the F and is trying to justify his E. They’re both great sets either way. This is what happens in the technology industry.
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Hello all, can someone please tell me the screw sizes for the stand on the 75 inch 900F? I just got mine delivered from best buy this afternoon and went to put it together and the 4 screws are missing, when I called best buy this kid basically told me to go out to the hardware store and buy my own as far as I can tell the manual doesnt list them only the sizes for the wall mounting screws (M6 8mm-12mm) and that size does not fit into the stand holes.
You sure they aren't in there?

They come in a small back stuck to the packaging of the legs. It's easy to miss the small bag.
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Doh! Yes I found them, guess my eyes aren't the greatest , which is why I need a 75 in 😁 thanks for the suggestion!
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I personally feel like the blooming is worse on the 900F during HDR content compared to when I had the 900E. I feel like it has to do with the 900F being able to get brighter for those highlights though. I find the BIAS light does pretty much just as good of a job at hiding it though. The 900F is definitely an improvement overall especially if it costs you nothing over the E to obtain. As you’ll recall my vendor replaced my E with the F and I’m happy with it.

Don’t pay too much attention to the images I posted earlier. I had 3 panels that all had it to some degree but the one I kept is hardly noticeable unless you’re up close enough and looking for it. Looks fantastic from back in the area where I normally sit.

I don’t recall the name of the person on YouTube but I’m pretty sure I know who you are talking about. Quantum something or another. He’s been obsessed with the E and he’s not a professional anything. Just some random persons opinion just like us. I’m pretty sure he’s just upset his E got leapfrogged over by the F and is trying to justify his E. They’re both great sets either way. This is what happens in the technology industry.
Ok, I just don't want to have the E replaced with the F and then regret it. I was watching stranger things season 2 on Netflix the other night and that was honestly the first time I'd noticed blooming effecting the actual picture and not just the black bars above and beneath. On the E I see it more often on the bottom than on the top but it could be due to the fact that I have the tv kinda high up on the wall angled down a bit.

I know the F will be brighter. So I am glad to hear that the bias lighting does just as good of a job of hiding the blooming. I almost enjoy sdr content a little more on the 900e since you can almost mimick HDR with xtended dynamic range but there's hardly any blooming if any...

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I think being an "enthusiast" is a double edged sword. Here we love nerding out on these new panels... but the minute we find a tiny flaw we freak out. Sometimes I wish it was just a TV to me! I was on Youtube and was suggested a DSE test video which was just color bands flying by. I wish I never ran it. I have SLIGHT DSE when running the video but only because I was searching for it. Far Cry 5 had a little when panning the sky but again, only noticeable when looking for it and very minor. As someone posted earlier in the beginning of this thread, you have to really look for any DSE. So I would say gray uniformity is great for anyone interested. And I think I need to just enjoy the TV and realize no panel is perfect.
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Hi everyone, I’ve been trying to find some reviews on the 75” version of this without much success.... or is the 75” similar enough to the 65”?

Could some kind soul point me in the right direction of some videos or general opinions of the 75” please?

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I couldn't agree with this statement more. I have a 10 year old Panasonic plasma and I've attempted to replace it twice within the past year (TCL 6 series, Vizio P65 F1). I've returned them both because they don't even come close to beating the plasma for watching Dish Network HD. Not even close.
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OK, so what do you recommend? I can't believe that these sets are still way behind a technology that's been defunct for 5 years now.
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Perhaps, but for every couple of posts here about great motion, there is at least one complaining about bad motion. There's also a couple of reviews on the Best Buy site complaining about motion. One in particular says it can't touch his plasma for motion. For me, the top 3 concerns for a 4k TV are motion, motion and motion.
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I'm considering buying this TV, but what makes me hesitate are the viewing angles. How big is the degradation at 50+ degrees? Is it a huge difference in real life?
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Of course the fact that you didn't pay the sales tax didn't mean you didn't owe the amount of the tax to your state. The new court ruling just empowers states to require vendors selling online (or through catalogs) to collect the tax from buyers located in their jurisdictions. This means that Crutchfield and Best Buy will now be competing based on value and customer service. While some buyers will no longer be able to "cheat" on taxes as easily as they used to , overall it may be that consumers will be better served by a level playing field.
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