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Cleveland Plasma 03-15-2018 10:27 PM

2018 Sony XBR 900F owners thread (No Price Talk)
 
All sizes have hit the street's in the US, even the 85" ;)

XBR-49X900F
XBR-55X900F
XBR-65X900F
XBR-75X900F
XBR-85X900F

WarpSpeed2013 03-16-2018 07:09 AM

If any owners out there could test the pixel response time of the 65-inch version that would be great. I’m sure we will see plenty of reviews for the 55-inch version but with some Sony models the panel brand chances between sizes causing a major difference in blur (for example the 65 vs 75 inch Z9D).

dreaux 03-16-2018 07:36 AM

Thinking about getting the 900F 85". Love to hear about observations on any 900F tho.

mithras1 03-16-2018 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WarpSpeed2013 (Post 55864664)
If any owners out there could test the pixel response time of the 65-inch version that would be great. I’m sure we will see plenty of reviews for the 55-inch version but with some Sony models the panel brand chances between sizes causing a major difference in blur (for example the 65 vs 75 inch Z9D).

The review site I linked to for the 65X900E also has one for the 65X900F and their measurement was 12ms ...

WarpSpeed2013 03-16-2018 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WarpSpeed2013 (Post 55864664)
If any owners out there could test the pixel response time of the 65-inch version that would be great. I’m sure we will see plenty of reviews for the 55-inch version but with some Sony models the panel brand chances between sizes causing a major difference in blur (for example the 65 vs 75 inch Z9D).

The review site I linked to for the 65X900E also has one for the 65X900F and their measurement was 12ms ...

I just saw that before I read this! Seems like a good review site, although they do claim the 65Z9D has an 11ms response time which seems inconsistent with other reviews

Eternal Noob 03-16-2018 02:38 PM

Has anyone found information on the number of LD zones in them yet?

ggw2000 03-16-2018 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Eternal Noob (Post 55867476)
Has anyone found information on the number of LD zones in them yet?

I saw at video on youtube that guessed maybe they would have 20-45. I sure hope this is complete misinformation!! Going to have to wait until some folks get one. Would someone take out their wallet and order a 75" so I can get your impressions/details? ;).
Gerry

LDBetaGuy 03-16-2018 03:42 PM

My XBR-65X900F is being delivered next Wednesday afternoon. I'm really looking forward to comparing it to my current 65X900E. Here's hoping Sony's Dolby Vision update for this TV actually appears close to the time promised. It will also be nice to be rid of the less-than-convenient giant power brick that came with the 900E!

ggw2000 03-16-2018 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LDBetaGuy (Post 55867850)
My XBR-65X900F is being delivered next Wednesday afternoon. I'm really looking forward to comparing it to my current 65X900E. Here's hoping Sony's Dolby Vision update for this TV actually appears close to the time promised. It will also be nice to be rid of the less-than-convenient giant power brick that came with the 900E!

Congrats! Will be good to hear your impressions (but you should have gone bigger ;) ).
Gerry

LDBetaGuy 03-16-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ggw2000 (Post 55868000)
Congrats! Will be good to hear your impressions (but you should have gone bigger ;) ).
Gerry

I thought about going bigger, but I'm space restricted due to room size and AV furniture. Hmmm ....I could knock out a wall, right?

Viper32 03-16-2018 05:05 PM

Owners thread with no real owners yet, hmmmm

Can we say advertisement ;)

dreaux 03-16-2018 05:13 PM

We can say want to know more!

SB_MO8 03-16-2018 05:46 PM

Can one of the owners comment on the performance of this TV in a very bright room? How bad are the reflections? According to rtings.com review, it's not that great in a bright room.

rene2kx 03-16-2018 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SB_MO8 (Post 55868546)
Can one of the owners comment on the performance of this TV in a very bright room? How bad are the reflections? According to rtings.com review, it's not that great in a bright room.

you read it wrong, rtings says it's good enough for a bright room. although obviously not as much as higher peak brightness tv's like the x930e and z9d.

henhowc 03-16-2018 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper32 (Post 55868286)
Owners thread with no real owners yet, hmmmm

Can we say advertisement ;)

lol now to move onto the 2018 vizio and tcl offerings

D-Nice 03-16-2018 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper32 (Post 55868286)
Owners thread with no real owners yet, hmmmm

Can we say advertisement ;)

Ive had one for over a week now.

joshua goard 03-16-2018 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Nice (Post 55868834)
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Originally Posted by Viper32 (Post 55868286)
Owners thread with no real owners yet, hmmmm

Can we say advertisement [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]

Ive had one for over a week now.

How does motion look in dark scenes? Rtings mentioned severe overshoot can cause ghosting in dark scenes, but otherwise motion is excellent

UltimateDisplay 03-16-2018 08:42 PM

high praises from rtings !

the 40+ms 1080p input lag (Switch !) is pretty much my only issue

Keithian 03-16-2018 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDisplay (Post 55869244)
high praises from rtings !

the 40+ms 1080p input lag (Switch !) is pretty much my only issue

The rating itself is a very very high. After reading this review just now one might wonder why get anything else for the price, especially if you are looking at the 85". I just wonder how good that TV really is in bright room conditions. They said very good, but maybe to me that wouldn't be good enough. Need to see this TV in person.

lcrava 03-17-2018 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Keithian (Post 55869510)
The rating itself is a very very high. After reading this review just now one might wonder why get anything else for the price, especially if you are looking at the 85". I just wonder how good that TV really is in bright room conditions. They said very good, but maybe to me that wouldn't be good enough. Need to see this TV in person.

I’ll be getting the 85 for sure. I don’t think there will be any other 85 inch TVs that will come close to the 900F in the near future. I have a LG 86 and unfortunately the black levels and screen uniformity due to the edge lighting are atrocious, so even without a lot of zones, a true FALD 85 will be heads and shoulders above what’s offered in the market right now (sub 10K of course).

Hoping to work something out with the guys at Cleveland Plasma!

Keithian 03-17-2018 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lcrava (Post 55869766)
I’ll be getting the 85 for sure. I don’t think there will be any other 85 inch TVs that will come close to the 900F in the near future. I have a LG 86 and unfortunately the black levels and screen uniformity due to the edge lighting are atrocious, so even without a lot of zones, a true FALD 85 will be heads and shoulders above what’s offered in the market right now (sub 10K of course).

Hoping to work something out with the guys at Cleveland Plasma!

I'll be curious to see your thoughts when you get it. Good luck. I'm being patient as I want to see the the ratings on the q9 88" and if a proper calibration fixed any motion concerns. I'm also curious about the next z9 that is theoretically coming later this year. Unless I'm blown away, this may be the set I get. The Sonys I have had were always reliable.

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lcrava 03-17-2018 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Keithian (Post 55869778)
I'll be curious to see your thoughts when you get it. Good luck. I'm being patient as I want to see the the ratings on the q9 88" and if a proper calibration fixed any motion concerns. I'm also curious about the next z9 that is theoretically coming later this year. Unless I'm blown away, this may be the set I get. The Sonys I have had were always reliable.

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I will get it professionally calibrated and will definitely share the settings/impressions with you guys. It’s just going to take a little while because it’s for the media room in the new house we’ll be moving into by the end of next month.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t the q9 88 cost quite a bit more, is an Edge Lit TV and has no Dolby Vision?

SnipeUout 03-17-2018 01:42 AM

Sounds like it’s a marginal improvement over the 900E and IMO a 900E for hundreds less or a 930E at the same price is a much better buy. The way Sony drummed up the X900F I was expecting more, more zones, more color and more nits. Sony was the winner last year for LCD, looks like the new FALD QLED may triumph over Sony in 2018. Unless there will be a new 930/940 or Z9.


Side thought... Sony needs to work on hitting a wider color gamut. Not meeting or exceeding DCi P3 in 2018 in a higher end set is not acceptable.

rene2kx 03-17-2018 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SnipeUout (Post 55869860)
Sounds like it’s a marginal improvement over the 900E and IMO a 900E for hundreds less or a 930E at the same price is a much better buy. The way Sony drummed up the X900F I was expecting more, more zones, more color and more nits. Sony was the winner last year for LCD, looks like the new FALD QLED may triumph over Sony in 2018. Unless there will be a new 930/940 or Z9.


Side thought... Sony needs to work on hitting a wider color gamut. Not meeting or exceeding DCi P3 in 2018 in a higher end set is not acceptable.

this is one aspect that samsung is better on. i do hope that the z9f when it arrives has 100% dci-p3.

rene2kx 03-17-2018 01:49 AM

Some comparison measurements between the 900f and 930e from the rtings reviews


contrast ratio with local dimming activated -
x900f- 5725:1
x930e - 6564:1

rtings doesnt mention zone counts, but the 930e has a little more of them

peak brightness for hdr (sustained 10% window) -
x900f - 974 nits
x930e- 1510 nits

that's quite a difference for peak brightness. interestingly, the x900f doesnt hit 1000 nits in any of the peak brightness measurements that rtings did. earlier it was being said x900f exceeeds 1000 nits for hdr.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930e

I still think the 930e is the higher end model though the gap is closed from the 900e. the 900f is an incremental upgrade to the 900e.

I would suggest getting 930e if you care about dolby vision, if you dont, save money and get 900e.

VA_DaveB 03-17-2018 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rene2kx (Post 55869872)
I would suggest getting 930e if you care about dolby vision, if you dont, save money and get 900e.

I agree 100%. Not that the 900F is a bad TV, but I'd absolutely go for the XBR65X900E over the XBR65X900F and pocket $800. Viewing side by side I doubt anyone could notice the difference. And the $300 cheaper XBR65X930E has far brighter HDR peak brightness so it is a better choice also for those for whom DV is a "must have". With Sony basically "standing pat" at last year's performance level, Samsung has a big chance to recover market share. While the edge-lit 2018 Q6 and Q7 look meh, the FALD 2018 Q8 and Q9 could "each Sony's lunch" this year on the mid to high end. But we have to wait for Rtings review to know for sure.

dreaux 03-17-2018 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rene2kx (Post 55869872)
Some comparison measurements between the 900f and 930e from the rtings reviews


contrast ratio with local dimming activated -
x900f- 5725:1
x930e - 6564:1

rtings doesnt mention zone counts, but the 930e has a little more of them

peak brightness for hdr (sustained 10% window) -
x900f - 974 nits
x930e- 1510 nits

that's quite a difference for peak brightness. interestingly, the x900f doesnt hit 1000 nits in any of the peak brightness measurements that rtings did. earlier it was being said x900f exceeeds 1000 nits for hdr.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930e

I still think the 930e is the higher end model though the gap is closed from the 900e. the 900f is an incremental upgrade to the 900e.

I would suggest getting 930e if you care about dolby vision, if you dont, save money and get 900e.

What you say makes sense. If there was only an 85" 930e or 900e I would go that direction.

iraweiss 03-17-2018 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dreaux (Post 55870418)
What you say makes sense. If there was only an 85" 930e or 900e I would go that direction.

If you want to play with the rtings comparison tool, here's the link. I compared the 900E to the 900F but take your choice:

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...-x900f/418/585

Cleveland Plasma 03-17-2018 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by D-Nice (Post 55868834)
Ive had one for over a week now.

So what do you think?

Keithian 03-17-2018 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rene2kx (Post 55869872)
Some comparison measurements between the 900f and 930e from the rtings reviews


contrast ratio with local dimming activated -
x900f- 5725:1
x930e - 6564:1

rtings doesnt mention zone counts, but the 930e has a little more of them

peak brightness for hdr (sustained 10% window) -
x900f - 974 nits
x930e- 1510 nits

that's quite a difference for peak brightness. interestingly, the x900f doesnt hit 1000 nits in any of the peak brightness measurements that rtings did. earlier it was being said x900f exceeeds 1000 nits for hdr.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900f
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930e

I still think the 930e is the higher end model though the gap is closed from the 900e. the 900f is an incremental upgrade to the 900e.

I would suggest getting 930e if you care about dolby vision, if you dont, save money and get 900e.

What difference does this make for those who want an 85"?

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