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About $37 more than the Amazon price, and $87 more than the Best Buy, econo remote version. For what it offers above the 2017 models, including 24 more local dimming zones for the 55" model, I'd say the increased price is more than justifiable.
I thought TCL confirmed at CES that the 55" would be the same price ($650) as last years P6?? Saw videos with TCL employees saying as such... here's an example..



Confirmed by another employee later in the video here...

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I thought TCL confirmed at CES that the 55" would be the same price ($650) as last years P6?? Saw videos with TCL employees saying as such... here's an example..
I remember seeing those videos and hearing those statements from the reps, but I also kept seeing TCL not commit to a firm price in their other official communications. Tiger Direct's $686.99 would be more closely representative of the suggested retail price, IMO, which I now think is going to be set at $699.99. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what my instincts are telling me.

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$650 or $699 MSRP are both very reasonable prices for what you are getting. Even if its 60 hz. My opinion

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$650 or $699 MSRP are both very reasonable prices for what you are getting. Even if its 60 hz. My opinion
Agreed... seeing now that the price of the Vizio M55-F0 is priced at $698.00 at Walmart, I think the TCL 55R617 offers a lot more for roughly the same price.

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I agree. I love the new design. That stealth gunmetal gray looks awesome. It's a huge improvement over last year's design and I'm sure sites like rtings.com will give it a higher score for build quality.

I think it looks comparable to TVs from Samsung that have similar brushed metal frames. It looks better to me than the Vizio P series from 2016 and 2017. I like the gunmetal color better than the bright brushed aluminum look on those Vizio Ps. The TCL 6 series in some ways actually looks kind of similar to Samsung's Q9FN and Q8FN.
I took one look at the bezel on the Vizio P series, at Costco last week and dismissed it for that alone. I don’t want a bezel that stands out from the screen.

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$650 or $699 MSRP are both very reasonable prices for what you are getting. Even if its 60 hz. My opinion
Kinda a deal breaker for me. The new P series from Vizio for 899 or buying a Sony 900E for 799 is a better deal. Don't want my massive blu-ray collection going to waste.
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Kinda a deal breaker for me. The new P series from Vizio for 899 or buying a Sony 900E for 799 is a better deal. Don't want my massive blu-ray collection going to waste.
Are you referring to 60 hz vs. 120 hz or something else? How does 60 vs. 120 affect movies?...if it's a 60Hz TV with black frame insertion for example, it may have similar motion resolution to some true 120Hz TVs, but it's not actually 120Hz. Im not sure is TCL does this or something similar..

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Are you referring to 60 hz vs. 120 hz or something else? How does 60 vs. 120 affect movies?...if it's a 60Hz TV with black frame insertion for example, it may have similar motion resolution to some true 120Hz TVs, but it's not actually 120Hz. Im not sure is TCL does this or something similar..
More or less you got the idea. Film material that is 24fps, the frame rate will not divide evenly into the 60 frame display rate, so the 3:2 pulldown technique is put into play. This means that for every 3 video frames that display once, there is a single video frame that is displayed twice. This allows an even frame rate to be divided into an odd-numbered display rate. This 3:2 causes artifacts, such as blurriness or choppy frames during fast motion. So my massive blu ray collection and DVD collection would look like crap on a 60 hz TV. On 120 HZ it can scale down to 24 fps since 24 can go into 120.

With this 240 natural motion it's looking like TCL has upgraded their American products to 120 HZ displays at last. (Most of the time what they advertise is double the native rate so with their ****ty 120 HZ CMI BS) On games and streaming you wouldn't notice since both will output at 60 FPS, but any physical media will look choppy and unnatural.
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Have to wait and see what these have. Still thinking about 55" Sony 900F as the main tv. The problem i have is i can buy the Tcl 65" inch 6 series
cheaper than the Sony 55", But, the Sony is better, Tcl is the inferior product.
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Wonder if it will have Bluetooth? Not talking about remote with headphone connections,
Want to be able to listen wireless with headphones
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More or less you got the idea. Film material that is 24fps, the frame rate will not divide evenly into the 60 frame display rate, so the 3:2 pulldown technique is put into play. This means that for every 3 video frames that display once, there is a single video frame that is displayed twice. This allows an even frame rate to be divided into an odd-numbered display rate. This 3:2 causes artifacts, such as blurriness or choppy frames during fast motion. So my massive blu ray collection and DVD collection would look like crap on a 60 hz TV. On 120 HZ it can scale down to 24 fps since 24 can go into 120.

With this 240 natural motion it's looking like TCL has upgraded their American products to 120 HZ displays at last. (Most of the time what they advertise is double the native rate so with their ****ty 120 HZ CMI BS) On games and streaming you wouldn't notice since both will output at 60 FPS, but any physical media will look choppy and unnatural.
So I assume since I am using VUDU and my bluray collections is now all up on VUDU I wont have these same concerns right? I purchased all the 4k UHD mostly Atmos/DD+ versions of these movies.

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Wonder if it will have Bluetooth? Not talking about remote with headphone connections,
Want to be able to listen wireless with headphones
I don't think it has Bluetooth, but rather like the P Series, it will have the ability to connect via wifi which should provide better audio than bluetooth.
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So I assume since I am using VUDU and my bluray collections is now all up on VUDU I wont have these same concerns right? I purchased all the 4k UHD mostly Atmos/DD+ versions of these movies.
To be honest I'm not sure. It's not like they can add a frame for every movie so maybe they add something in their compression software that mimics a soap opera effect to blur the frames better with the 3 to 2 pull down. Not sure how Netflix or Hulu does their 24fps movies. Since 60 HZ Tvs are getting more and more rare I'm probably over thinking it and will still have judder. Now for everything else streamed on Hulu and Netflix they broadcast it at 60 FPS so you won't notice anything.
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Are you referring to 60 hz vs. 120 hz or something else? How does 60 vs. 120 affect movies?...if it's a 60Hz TV with black frame insertion for example, it may have similar motion resolution to some true 120Hz TVs, but it's not actually 120Hz. Im not sure is TCL does this or something similar..
sony x900e 55 inch for 800$?
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sony x900e 55 inch for 800$?

$799 for the 55 inch $1899 for the 75 inch at the PX
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sony x900e 55 inch for 800$?
I got my 55X900E black Friday sale scratch and dent from Crutchfield for 854 bucks. The scratch and dent was dead when I got it so I got brand new stock 55 900E for 854 bucks. Hard to top that one. A little good/bad luck depending how you look at it.

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More or less you got the idea. Film material that is 24fps, the frame rate will not divide evenly into the 60 frame display rate, so the 3:2 pulldown technique is put into play. This means that for every 3 video frames that display once, there is a single video frame that is displayed twice. This allows an even frame rate to be divided into an odd-numbered display rate. This 3:2 causes artifacts, such as blurriness or choppy frames during fast motion. So my massive blu ray collection and DVD collection would look like crap on a 60 hz TV. On 120 HZ it can scale down to 24 fps since 24 can go into 120.

With this 240 natural motion it's looking like TCL has upgraded their American products to 120 HZ displays at last. (Most of the time what they advertise is double the native rate so with their ****ty 120 HZ CMI BS) On games and streaming you wouldn't notice since both will output at 60 FPS, but any physical media will look choppy and unnatural.
A 60 hz TV can do 24fps without judder if it can drop down to 48 hz.

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A 60 hz TV can do 24fps without judder if it can drop down to 48 hz.
Unlikely that such a TV exists. As far as I know they're always at multiples of 60Hz because thats the frequency of AC power in the USA.
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Wonder if it will have Bluetooth? Not talking about remote with headphone connections,
Want to be able to listen wireless with headphones
I don't think it has Bluetooth, but rather like the P Series, it will have the ability to connect via wifi which should provide better audio than bluetooth.
I don’t want to plug in my Bluetooth headphones at all, how would it pair to the tv?
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Unlikely that such a TV exists. As far as I know they're always at multiples of 60Hz because thats the frequency of AC power in the USA.
Many modern sets are capable of this. The P607 certainly is. The real issue is cable/satellite broadcasts of 24p content at 60p/i. Native 24p content like blu-ray is no problem.

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A 60 hz TV can do 24fps without judder if it can drop down to 48 hz.
Unlikely that such a TV exists. As far as I know they're always at multiples of 60Hz because thats the frequency of AC power in the USA.
That's not true. Plenty of TVs can refresh at different rates below 60Hz, including 48Hz and 50Hz. If what I've read is accurate the TCL P607 is able to do this, so 24fps content on Blu-rays, for example, can play back without any judder.
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sony x900e 55 inch for 800$?
Dell has the X900e for 998 plus you get a $250 Dell Gift Card.
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Unlikely that such a TV exists. As far as I know they're always at multiples of 60Hz because thats the frequency of AC power in the USA.
My old Panasonic plasma had a 48hz film mode. Of course it produced an obvious and annoying strobing/flashing so I never used it.
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@Kevin Selzer where is it at 800? sony website shows 1000.

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wow so they traded the scratch and dent for a new one? thats good man.

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that's good value, but wonder what i'd get for 250$ from dell
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@Kevin Selzer where is it at 800? sony website shows 1000.

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wow so they traded the scratch and dent for a new one? thats good man.

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that's good value, but wonder what i'd get for 250$ from dell
Yes they did. I called and they said we will send you out another and pick up the broke one. I said a scratch and dent one and they said no, a brand new one. They didn't have any more scratch and dent.

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@Kevin Selzer where is it at 800? sony website shows 1000.

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wow so they traded the scratch and dent for a new one? thats good man.

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Told you the PX. Only military can shop there.
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Yes they did. I called and they said we will send you out another and pick up the broke one. I said a scratch and dent one and they said no, a brand new one. They didn't have any more scratch and dent.

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wow crutchfield do seem good at customer service!
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Told you the PX. Only military can shop there.
ohh okay! i guess the dell deal is still good
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wow crutchfield do seem good at customer service!
Excellent, I love them. They won't be the cheapest but you do get excellent customer service. They didn't even hesitate, he said I'm sending you a new one right away. I said do you want a pic of the TV or anything and he said no I take your word for it. The TV turned on but had black lines throughout the picture. There was only 5 square inches without lines. Man do I love the 900E too. The HDR is nothing short of stunning.

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Excellent, I love them. They won't be the cheapest but you do get excellent customer service. They didn't even hesitate, he said I'm sending you a new one right away. I said do you want a pic of the TV or anything and he said no I take your word for it. The TV turned on but had black lines throughout the picture. There was only 5 square inches without lines. Man do I love the 900E too. The HDR is nothing short of stunning.

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wow thats really nice.
so i've heard in regards to the hdr performance of this set! enjoy the tv man
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