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An thinking of a Q8F, regarding the digital audio out, for which input sources to the TV will it carry multichannel audio that arrives from those input sources? I can guess from the built in tuner, no from any HDMI source but what about built in apps?

Does is use 801.22ac mode for it's WiFi connection?

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Does is use 801.22ac mode for it's WiFi connection?
Kind of confusing, on p123 of the user's manual it says this tv supports 802.11ac, then the very next bullet says not all models support 802.11ac.
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Following as I am trying to decide between the Q8 or Q9 over the next month.

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Hi! I currently own the Q8. So if you have any questions as I'm also getting a feel for it as well, or if you have any particular movie scene in mind that you want to see how the screen Handles it, if I have it then I'll do my best to take a picture of it. Feel free to ask
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Hi! I currently own the Q8. So if you have any questions as I'm also getting a feel for it as well, or if you have any particular movie scene in mind that you want to see how the screen Handles it, if I have it then I'll do my best to take a picture of it. Feel free to ask
You had an x930e before this, right?
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Kind of confusing, on p123 of the user's manual it says this tv supports 802.11ac, then the very next bullet says not all models support 802.11ac.
It is 802.11ac.
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Hi! I currently own the Q8. So if you have any questions as I'm also getting a feel for it as well, or if you have any particular movie scene in mind that you want to see how the screen Handles it, if I have it then I'll do my best to take a picture of it. Feel free to ask
How does a star field on your Q8 compare to the 930E? Thanks!

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Hi! I currently own the Q8. So if you have any questions as I'm also getting a feel for it as well, or if you have any particular movie scene in mind that you want to see how the screen Handles it, if I have it then I'll do my best to take a picture of it. Feel free to ask
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Hi! I currently own the Q8. So if you have any questions as I'm also getting a feel for it as well, or if you have any particular movie scene in mind that you want to see how the screen Handles it, if I have it then I'll do my best to take a picture of it. Feel free to ask
How does a star field on your Q8 compare to the 930E? Thanks!
You mean like if watching the stars in stars wars, or when the ship is flying in passengers?
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You mean like if watching the stars in stars wars, or when the ship is flying in passengers?
Yea. That is always a great test for how well dimming/FALD works especially for HDR.

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You mean like if watching the stars in stars wars, or when the ship is flying in passengers?

Depends which star wars. The newest movie has raised blacks I've heard so that's not the best torture to use to test stars against an inky black field.
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You mean like if watching the stars in stars wars, or when the ship is flying in passengers?
Like the stars in Star Wars or the opening sequence of Passenger. Thanks!

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Like the stars in Star Wars or the opening sequence of Passenger. Thanks!


Opening sequence of Passengers is probably better. That scene is very inky.
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Like the stars in Star Wars or the opening sequence of Passenger. Thanks!


Opening sequence of Passengers is probably better. That scene is very inky.
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Like the stars in Star Wars or the opening sequence of Passenger. Thanks!


Opening sequence of Passengers is probably better. That scene is very inky.
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Is that HDR or SDR?
And is it a full screen movie or does it have black bars?

Rather impressive either way. In the second star field picture you can clearly see pockets of black with a few stars in them surrounded by a lot of the very bright galaxy which implies very great handling of dark material next to bright (ie no light bleed)

Actually the very first picture with his helmet is equally impressive. The far left of his helmet is very bright white but if you zoom in you can see a few tiny star dots next to it with a sliver of black in between.


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Is that HDR or SDR?
And is it a full screen movie or does it have black bars?

Rather impressive either way. In the second star field picture you can clearly see pockets of black with a few stars in them surrounded by a lot of the very bright galaxy which implies very great handling of dark material next to bright (ie no light bleed)

Actually the very first picture with his helmet is equally impressive. The far left of his helmet is very bright white but if you zoom in you can see a few tiny star dots next to it with a sliver of black in between.


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This movie was HDR with black bars
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This movie was HDR with black bars
That's absolutely impressive then. First picture where his chest piece is bright white shows no signs of light bleed into the black bar directly underneath it.

The Q8 is looking like my choice. Just want to see a review for official numbers and I'm sold.

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Jeez those pictures are fantastic. Q8 looks to be the real hero this year under the radar... This is going to be the one to watch come black Friday I think.
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This movie was HDR with black bars
That's absolutely impressive then. First picture where his chest piece is bright white shows no signs of light bleed into the black bar directly underneath it.

The Q8 is looking like my choice. Just want to see a review for official numbers and I'm sold.

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And again sir, if you are talking about no light bleed......
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So initial thoughts so far. I think with any set common sense dictates it really boils down to what you're willing to live with. Personally I feel the Q8 2018 is Samsung's response to Sony's 930E, Just in similar fashion the Q9 2018 is in response to Sony's Z9D ( Keep in mind though when the Z9D 1st released it was a third more expensive than what the Q9 of this year is releasing for).

To me the Samsung operating system is much more fluid than android TV, Even initial set up was completely easier by comparison. I do think the screen/viewing experience is significantly clearer than on the 930e. I would say smoother as well but that requires a little bit of explanation. Sony has the reputation for best motion interpolation out of the 3 main TV companies. But it also goes without saying that the Sony 930E, as well as the 940E and the Z9D had motion issues. Even though they sent a firmware update that help alleviate the majority of those issues, sometimes I could still see a little bit of stutter if not within the actors, then within the background. On the Samsung it is noticeably smoother for the majority of the experience... but sometimes I can see a little bit of stutter within the actors as well.

Upscaling on this TV is definitely a good thing in its favor. Almost OLED level blacks.... I still say that it's the closest I've seen an LCD LED TV get to OLED level contrast. Vibrancy of the colors do pop as promised with their quantum dots. And it takes a much wider angle than on the Sony before you start experiencing a little bit of degradation.

But as with all things with all people its what you feel you can live without regret as this is obviously an investment that will hopefully tide you over for more than a couple of years.

Anyways, that's my 2 cents so far
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i have seen passengers on uhd blu ray on the sony x930e (very sharp 4k blu ray) and the pictures this guy posted here of the q8 dont look noticeably better than the 930e, you can discount the handful of times light bleed occurs on the black bars on the x930e as i use a bias light in dark room and sit about 8 feet away, so there is negligible perception of any blooming. but the blacks and contrast in the pictures posted here dont look really different from the x930e, the colors look little more saturated on the q8 but kind of give an oversaturated feel on the whole which i dont prefer.
motion may be a toss up, it's subjective, i think the x930e's motion is still one of its strongest points, i dont see what the q8 may do 'better' in this aspect. as for upscaling, im being told by a q9f owner (on another forum) that sony's x1 xtreme processor (930e/940e/z9d) upscaling is still a little better than samsung on low quality content.
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i have seen passengers on uhd blu ray on the sony x930e (very sharp 4k blu ray) and the pictures this guy posted here of the q8 dont look noticeably better than the 930e, you can discount the handful of times light bleed occurs on the black bars on the x930e as i use a bias light in dark room and sit about 8 feet away, so there is negligible perception of any blooming. but the blacks and contrast in the pictures posted here dont look really different from the x930e, the colors look little more saturated on the q8 but kind of give an oversaturated feel on the whole which i dont prefer.
motion may be a toss up, it's subjective, i think the x930e's motion is still one of its strongest points, i dont see what the q8 may do 'better' in this aspect. as for upscaling, im being told by a q9f owner (on another forum) that sony's x1 xtreme processor (930e/940e/z9d) upscaling is still a little better than samsung on low quality content.
The q8f has perfect black letterbox bars due to it's backlight mechanism in addition to being fald with 3x as many zones and higher peak brightness. Q8 should provide a massive increase without a doubt.
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The q8f has perfect black letterbox bars due to it's backlight mechanism in addition to being fald with 3x as many zones and higher peak brightness. Q8 should provide a massive increase without a doubt.
The x930 keeps the black bars very black with LD set to medium/high (if you have seen it), ive never spotted a gray black bar (except occasional blooming /light bleed on the black bars) with x930e playing a bd movie, so not sure what your point is. if the passengers movie pictures the guy posted are an accurate representation, then having seen passengers myself on uhd blu ray on the x930e multiple times, i dont see anything in those q8 pictures that jumps out like yeah that looks better. now an oled should appear more inky with the blacks on certain scenes in passengers, with starfields and space scenes oled does show an advantage.

and on peak brightness, isnt the q8 somewhere around 1500 nits, if i read the figures right? then it's comparable to a x930e on the peak brightness front, not really better.
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I think this (the Q8FN) will be ~between 930e/940e and Z9D
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The q8f has perfect black letterbox bars due to it's backlight mechanism in addition to being fald with 3x as many zones and higher peak brightness. Q8 should provide a massive increase without a doubt.
The x930 keeps the black bars very black with LD set to medium/high (if you have seen it), ive never spotted a gray black bar (except occasional blooming /light bleed on the black bars) with x930e playing a bd movie, so not sure what your point is. if the passengers movie pictures the guy posted are an accurate representation, then having seen passengers myself on uhd blu ray on the x930e multiple times, i dont see anything in those q8 pictures that jumps out like yeah that looks better. now an oled should appear more inky with the blacks on certain scenes in passengers, with starfields and space scenes oled does show an advantage.

and on peak brightness, isnt the q8 somewhere around 1500 nits, if i read the figures right? then it's comparable to a x930e on the peak brightness front, not really better.
If you can not understand why a 200+ zone fald tv would perform much much better than a 70 zone edge lit unit with 4 rows of zones then I don't know really know what else to tell you.
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If you can not understand why a 200+ zone fald tv would perform much much better than a 70 zone edge lit unit with 4 rows of zones then I don't know really know what else to tell you.
im not going by your theory based hypothesis, im simply judging the pictures the guy posted a few posts back of the passengers movie on his q8, they certainly dont stand out to me as looking noticeably better than the x930e, if they are accurate.

and the x930e essentially looks like a FALD once you turn its LD to medium or high, the 930e is not the conventional type 'edge lit' if you read about the slim backlight drive that sony employs on the 930e.
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If you can not understand why a 200+ zone fald tv would perform much much better than a 70 zone edge lit unit with 4 rows of zones then I don't know really know what else to tell you.
im not going by your theory based hypothesis, im simply judging the pictures the guy posted a few posts back of the passengers movie on his q8, they certainly dont stand out to me as looking noticeably better than the x930e, if they are accurate.

and the x930e essentially looks like a FALD once you turn its LD to medium or high, the 930e is not the conventional type 'edge lit' if you read about the slim backlight drive that sony employs on the 930e.
It's not theory that a 200+ fald display with black bar shut off will look much better than a 72 zone tv where there are only 4 rows. It's pretty much a technical fact. Not trying to be rude or condescending with that, but the difference in zone count is just too massive to brush off to theory.
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if the Q8FN always has full 100% inky perfect "near OLED-like" black letterbox bars no matter what (bias lighting or not), than thats 1 aspect already objectively better than 930e (whether its due to more zones or due to better AR coating or whatever else Samsung implemented)
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