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I'm thinking it's much more likely the 55Q8FN has way more zones than rtings.com is indicating (or the 65Q8FN doesn't have 240 zones) than being vastly different performing televisions. Yes it's usual for the larger sizes to have more zones but not by a factor of 6.

An early owner of a 65Q8FN counted 75 zones and opined that the dimming performance was similar to his Vizio P series. Maybe he was right about the zone count. Unless we get an owner of a 55Q8 who is willing to run the LD zone counter video we may never know if rtings is correct. For current owners you can run the video below and count the zones and report back with your count and panel size. In addition to the instructions at the beginning of the video please do so in a completely unlit room. Good luck to those who try!

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But that math doesnt make sense either given the price of the 65" TV.

For 3 grand you will get a TV that has 75 zones that is surprisingly capable of 1200-1500 nits. For an extra grand we will add an additional 405 zones!!!

75 zones doesn't make sense given the price.

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Just comparing the local dimming videos on Rtings you would think the Q8N has more than 40 zones when you look at the small square and dot performance. The Q8 seems to do a lot better than the X900F ...
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Yep. That's why the rtings review of the q8 is not representative of the 65 inch at all since they seem to be vastly different performing televsions
I'm thinking it's much more likely the 55Q8FN has way more zones than rtings.com is indicating (or the 65Q8FN doesn't have 240 zones) than being vastly different performing televisions. Yes it's usual for the larger sizes to have more zones but not by a factor of 6.

An early owner of a 65Q8FN counted 75 zones and opined that the dimming performance was similar to his Vizio P series. Maybe he was right about the zone count. Unless we get an owner of a 55Q8 who is willing to run the LD zone counter video we may never know if rtings is correct. For current owners you can run the video below and count the zones and report back with your count and panel size. In addition to the instructions at the beginning of the video please do so in a completely unlit room. Good luck to those who try!

That 75 zone count was for the 55 inch not the 65. 65 icnh zone counts have been 200+
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That 75 zone count was for the 55 inch not the 65. 65 icnh zone counts have been 200+
The owner I'm referring to that counted 75 zones is REV2RED and he has the 65Q8FN. I think it's more likely there are 240 zones but only recall one other zone count which I believe was 210 by @Damar1979. Now that we have many more owners I'm hoping a few will take the time to run the video.

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I just ran a zone count on the 65qfn. It appeared to have 30 vertical zones and 8 horizontal zones, giving it a total of 240 zones.
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Hello Q8FN owners. I am unpackaging my TV, and I have a question. How do I pull this sticker off (the blue one) without leaving any residue on the TV panel? Thank you!
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Hello Q8FN owners. I am unpackaging my TV, and I have a question. How do I pull this sticker off (the blue one) without leaving any residue on the TV panel? Thank you!
The blue sticker appears to be the tab that you grab to pull the film off the TV. I hope you have as much fun as Carl pulling it off.


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Hello Q8FN owners. I am unpackaging my TV, and I have a question. How do I pull this sticker off (the blue one) without leaving any residue on the TV panel? Thank you!
Just do it gently. I had no problems with mine.
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Guys, I understand the feel of being undercut by the numbers of dimming zones. I have a 55 because my dumb game room has a built in enclosure that only allows that size. Ive owned mutiple Samsungs and this is a major step up. The 4k alone on planet Earth blows away my buddies LG OLED. Picture looks completely less saturated and more realistic. The colors and the blacks are mind blowing. I'm usually a numbers guy when I build computers and I can relate with alot of the talk so far but man the picture is great. Just take a step back and if the picture is not to the liking, swap it out. Just my amateur two cents.
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Thanks! It came off just like in the video. Everything looks great. Are there patch updates that need to be installed? I've seen on Modernwize's youtube channel that movie mode is the most accurate. Advice on adjusting advanced settings for calibration also appreciated. Looking forward to watch Warriors Pelicans tonight. Dreaming of a day cable or directv will broadcast live sports in 4k...
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Guys, I understand the feel of being undercut by the numbers of dimming zones. I have a 55 because my dumb game room has a built in enclosure that only allows that size. Ive owned mutiple Samsungs and this is a major step up. The 4k alone on planet Earth blows away my buddies LG OLED. Picture looks completely less saturated and more realistic. The colors and the blacks are mind blowing. I'm usually a numbers guy when I build computers and I can relate with alot of the talk so far but man the picture is great. Just take a step back and if the picture is not to the liking, swap it out. Just my amateur two cents.
Can you humor me and run the local dimming zone counter video posted earlier to see what count you get?

Yeah, I'm sold on this TV and by the time I get the 65Q8FN most of the kinks should be worked out thanks to you early adapters. The one concern I have is the level of DSE with golf.

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I just ran a zone count on the 65qfn. It appeared to have 30 vertical zones and 8 horizontal zones, giving it a total of 240 zones.

This type of zone setup is headscratching. Not a fan. This means the zones are extra wide. 20x12 woulda made a lot more sense (or even 24x10). I believe the Js9500 and ks9800 were 10x15 for 150 zones, so horizontally the zones are shorter on those tvs but also taller (twice as tall) .
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Thanks! It came off just like in the video. Everything looks great. Are there patch updates that need to be installed? I've seen on Modernwize's youtube channel that movie mode is the most accurate. Advice on adjusting advanced settings for calibration also appreciated. Looking forward to watch Warriors Pelicans tonight. Dreaming of a day cable or directv will broadcast live sports in 4k...
Load the latest firmware, the latest one improves the picture quality a lot. You might have to download from Samsung website and install from USB as the update server seems to always be behind. Latest firmware should be 1056.

https://www.samsung.com/us/support/o...-tv-q8f-series

Go to the Rtings review and click on the setting tab. Probably a good place to start calibrating

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q8fn/settings

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Can you humor me and run the local dimming zone counter video posted earlier to see what count you get?

Yeah, I'm sold on this TV and by the time I get the 65Q8FN most of the kinks should be worked out thanks to you early adapters. The one concern I have is the level of DSE with golf.
Im sorry, is this like a youtube video I can run on the TV or a utility I have to download? Too lazy to look at the previous posts.
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Im sorry, is this like a youtube video I can run on the TV or a utility I have to download? Too lazy to look at the previous posts.
No problem. It's a YouTube video and if your search "avs local dimming counter" it should be the first video listed.

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Guys, I understand the feel of being undercut by the numbers of dimming zones. I have a 55 because my dumb game room has a built in enclosure that only allows that size. Ive owned mutiple Samsungs and this is a major step up. The 4k alone on planet Earth blows away my buddies LG OLED. Picture looks completely less saturated and more realistic. The colors and the blacks are mind blowing. I'm usually a numbers guy when I build computers and I can relate with alot of the talk so far but man the picture is great. Just take a step back and if the picture is not to the liking, swap it out. Just my amateur two cents.
You have the 55QFN? Can you could the zones?
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I have the 55Q8FN and can confirm a low zone count. I attempted to count the zones using the AVS forum video, but I had a hard time doing so. But 40 zones would seem about right.

I'm not that upset at the low zone count though, as it still is an amazing set in low light conditions. But the letter box bars DO NOT get inky black (in a pitch black room). The bottom bar is borderline there, but the top can appear lighter, especially depending on the type of content which plays on screen that causes the letter boxes to lighten up a bit. But I'm coming from an OLED, so obviously I'm a little biased. But the blacks on this set are still impressive.

And just to put in perspective, Rting's contrast ratio measurement for the 55Q8FN is almost on par with the Z9D. Even if the larger models have more zones, the 55 is no slouch if it is almost compares to the legendary Z9D.

Side Note: DO NOT set local dimming to High in SDR content, as suggested by Rtings. I noticed much more blooming, as the imminence increases on High. I actually think High brings down the contrast. Stick to Low or Standard.
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65Q8FN (US version) so far seems to be the sweet spot of the 2018 QLED line
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I have the 55Q8FN and can confirm a low zone count. I attempted to count the zones using the AVS forum video, but I had a hard time doing so. But 40 zones would seem about right.

I'm not that upset at the low zone count though, as it still is an amazing set in low light conditions. But the letter box bars DO NOT get inky black (in a pitch black room). The bottom bar is borderline there, but the top can appear lighter, especially depending on the type of content which plays on screen that causes the letter boxes to lighten up a bit. But I'm coming from an OLED, so obviously I'm a little biased. But the blacks on this set are still impressive.

And just to put in perspective, Rting's contrast ratio measurement for the 55Q8FN is almost on par with the Z9D. Even if the larger models have more zones, the 55 is no slouch if it is almost compares to the legendary Z9D.

Side Note: DO NOT set local dimming to High in SDR content, as suggested by Rtings. I noticed much more blooming, as the imminence increases on High. I actually think High brings down the contrast. Stick to Low or Standard.
How did you come to the conclusion that 40 zones seems about right? That you're having a hard time counting the zones suggests there is a lot more - in any event it also suggests the algorithm works very well.

That you're coming from an OLED and are impressed with black levels is encouraging for me.

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It also means we're not going to get the top notch reviews from across the pond.

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I just ran a zone count on the 65qfn. It appeared to have 30 vertical zones and 8 horizontal zones, giving it a total of 240 zones.

This type of zone setup is headscratching. Not a fan. This means the zones are extra wide. 20x12 woulda made a lot more sense (or even 24x10). I believe the Js9500 and ks9800 were 10x15 for 150 zones, so horizontally the zones are shorter on those tvs but also taller (twice as tall) .
I think you might be reading it in reverse lol.

30 across and 8 down would make tall zones not wide ones. Seems similar to the Vizio PQ with 24 across and 8 down.

Nevertheless the difference between the 55 and 65 seems massive.
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It’s really too bad we don't get the 55” Q9FN here in the states. With all this talk on the very low zone count on the 55 8QFN, it has me hesitant even if the tv is just for gaming. Perhaps wait for the Sony 930F, but I am not confident it will be gaming oriented with VRR and exceptionally low lag #s .
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It also means we're not going to get the top notch reviews from across the pond.
Nothing wrong in being the sweet spot! Everything just works....really well!

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It’s really too bad we don't get the 55” Q9FN here in the states. With all this talk on the very low zone count on the 55 8QFN, it has me hesitant even if the tv is just for gaming. Perhaps wait for the Sony 930F, but I am not confident it will be gaming oriented with VRR and exceptionally low lag #s .
This is why I want to get confirmation of the zone count for the 55Q8FN so prospective buyers don't passed it over because there are supposedly only 40 zones.

Note the extreme angle Joey is at when counting. What may be interesting if Jeralb83 counted the zones correctly is that the 65Q8FN (30x8) has the same number of vertical zones and half the horizontal zones of the 65Q9FN (30x16).

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I jumped in on the 55in a couple weeks ago. I had my doubts on the dimming zone count. But this is an unbelievable difference between the 65in and 55in. I read the specs for the 65in with a its 250 zones. I knew I was going to get 240 zones going with 55in. But, 40 zones. Just wow. It's a shame. I'm disappointed and no longer trust this company. Not only with TV's. But going forward with phones, watches, headphones, appliances, and so on.
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Also dimming is still pretty bad on man in the high castle on amazon.
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Also dimming is still pretty bad on man in the high castle on amazon.

For some reason, dimming has always been spotty on Amazon hdr even with older Samsung hdr models. Between all my sources, Amazon hdr was the worst for blacks (especially noticeable on Man in the High Castle). Something about it with the dimming just don't play nice. You might lose brightness, but try lowering local dimming to standard and it might be more tolerable.
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How did you come to the conclusion that 40 zones seems about right? That you're having a hard time counting the zones suggests there is a lot more - in any event it also suggests the algorithm works very well.

That you're coming from an OLED and are impressed with black levels is encouraging for me.
When I was trying to count the zones, I could count the vertical zones a lot easier and made out the 5 as calculated by Rtings, but the horizontal zones were much harder to determine.

I know this though: towards the center of the screen, the algorithm for dimming is much better than when it hits the corners. If you have your TV on torch mode at night, you will definitely see major blooming/flashlighting in the corners. I was able to see this in Dynamic Mode, Max backlight and Contrast and Local Dimming on High. I then switched to Movie mode with 10 backlight and Local Dimming on Standard, and the blooming/flashlighting was heavily reduced, but not completely gone.

So coming from an OLED and having owned great LEDs in the past (Sony HX850, Sony W900A and Samsung KS9500) the 55Q8FN has great blacks for an LED TV. I think that has to be put into perspective.

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It’s really too bad we don't get the 55” Q9FN here in the states. With all this talk on the very low zone count on the 55 8QFN, it has me hesitant even if the tv is just for gaming. Perhaps wait for the Sony 930F, but I am not confident it will be gaming oriented with VRR and exceptionally low lag #s .
I agree, the 55Q9FN would've been amazing. But I think the zone count is being blown out of proportion. Is it low? Yes it is. Does this TV still have a great contrast ratio? Absolutely. It's a fantastic gaming TV, and honestly a great value considering the jump in price going up to the Q9FN.
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God of War....with the HDR.
Not sure if the picture conveys what I see when I'm playing it, but the flame is bright as hell.

This TV does HDR really well, better than the C8 when I had it for a bit that's for sure

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God of War....with the HDR.
Not sure if the picture conveys what I see when I'm playing it, but the flame is bright as hell.

This TV does HDR really well, better than the C8 when I had it for a bit that's for sure

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Yeah, gaming on this thing has been a pleasure.

God of War does it great.

If you have it, boot up Mass Effect Andromeda and Assassin's Creed Origins. Great HDR usage there as well.
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