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Price dropped on both the 55 and 65 2018 Vizio Ps
what's the price now?

2018 55" P was showing on vizio site as dropped to $799. early this week from $899 now it has no price and "coming soon"
Their models and pricing are kind of a mess this year... D and E are same price at some sizes... weird...
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what's the price now?

2018 55" P was showing on vizio site as dropped to $799. early this week from $899 now it has no price and "coming soon"
Their models and pricing are kind of a mess this year... D and E are same price at some sizes... weird...
Didn't see that they removed the P pricing. As you stated, the 55 had dropped from 899 to 799 and the 65 had dropped from 1299 to 1199. Presumably in response to the TCL 6 series.

Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens
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It seems you can pick up an M series -- anyone get one yet?
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Didn't see that they removed the P pricing. As you stated, the 55 had dropped from 899 to 799 and the 65 had dropped from 1299 to 1199. Presumably in response to the TCL 6 series.

Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens
Think I've ruled out the new TCL. I'm all but sold on a 900E but I'm trying to be patient for the new P reviews, but the lack of news is a little frustrating. Some sort of timeline would be nice.
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Think I've ruled out the new TCL. I'm all but sold on a 900E but I'm trying to be patient for the new P reviews, but the lack of news is a little frustrating. Some sort of timeline would be nice.
You will love the 900E, great choice. I'm sure the Vizio P will be great too though. TCL I just don't know about. If your on a very strict budget it's a great option. The only thing I'd be worried about is if you want too long the 900E may be gone as it's discontinued.

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Holy Toledo!!!!! I had no idea games were using Dolby Vision as well. This is completely contrary to what I was told. In fact I had this conversation with a gentleman here who specifically stated that since I'm using the set exclusively for gaming, I don't need Dolby Vision.

I just checked - you're right!! I'm so glad for your response. Thank you. I'm afraid 900E is out. Definitely going to need a set with Dolby Vision.

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I'm in the same exact boat, but I worry about the input lag on the 900e. We also don't know what the new vizio will have. What made you jump ship from tcl
So, I should back track just a tad. I think "abandoned" wasn't the right term. I'm not dead set on "not" buying TCL. But to answer your question - I don't think it's any one thing - I think it's mainly the thread running here where people who are receiving the set are sharing their experiences. Real world experiences, not tech reviews. I'm not seeing the wow factor. I'm not seeing anybody really impressed. I think it's coming in sub-par then what it was touted to be. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't expecting the performance of the set to match other, higher priced sets. But it seems to be struggling to meet expectations.

I'm not overly concerned about the damaged boxes or broken sets; that's easily & quickly replaceable. But more so performance, banding issues, lag, etc. It's just not jumping out the way I thought it was going to when people finally got their hands on it.

Even people who ordered it & received it, I'm seeing half of them running towards X900E, and the others towards Vizio.

Having said that, and after DJ Lushious' post, Sony X900E is out for me. So at this point I'm down to TCL 55R617 or Vizio P55-F1. I don't mind waiting till June 1 (or whatever the actual release date) and the price difference isn't all that significant. I just want the better set for my Gaming setup.

I'd like to see P55-F1 in people's hands, some experiences, real world reviews from owners. That will ultimately make the decision.

Now, a Question: While all of the other specs seem to be an almost identical match, the one mismatched spec which stands out is the Local Dimming Zones. TCL seems to have considerably more then Vizio. I believe 72 vs 36 on the 55". I'm not a highly technical pro in this regards - I understand the basics of Local Dimming Zones - so this being the case, how is Vizio expected to match or outperform TCL in HDR/Dolby Vision/4K?

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Now, a Question: While all of the other specs seem to be an almost identical match, the one mismatched spec which stands out is the Local Dimming Zones. TCL seems to have considerably more then Vizio. I believe 72 vs 36 on the 55". I'm not a highly technical pro in this regards - I understand the basics of Local Dimming Zones - so this being the case, how is Vizio expected to match or outperform TCL in HDR/Dolby Vision/4K?

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So, yes, according to the press release/write ups the 55" TCL R617 has 92 fald zones and the 55" Vizio P55 will have 56 zones. To keep that in perspective, last years version of the TCL (P605) had 72 zones. Almost unanimously people who have done the side by sides or owned both the 2017 and 2018 TCL model have stated there is very little difference between the two sets, from a functionality standpoint. Other than aesthetics the only real upgrade appears to be in colour reproduction and then only slightly. Don't get me wrong, I think the R617 is a great tv but the number of zones is not the be all and end all of the FALD equation. The algorithm and implementation of the zones makes all the difference. The 65"x900e had around 40 zones....but Sony's implementation helped contribute to the experience of a TV that is pretty much considered the best tv of 2017.

For me, more so than the number of zones, it's the implementation (algorithm, etc) that matters more. Honestly while I have heard a lot of good things about the r617, the fald system, while improved from 2017, still has some of the same or similar issues that the p605 suffered from. Deal breakers? no, I don't think so....but for me, (Like you) I'm waiting to see how some of the other TV brands, with more experience with FALD, perform in 2018 before making a final decision.

**The other spec that the Vizio P appears to have over the TCL R617 is nits. Vizio P = 1000 peak (supposedly) and the TCL R617 = 600 to 700 peak. This could make a noticeable difference when viewing HDR content.
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Does anyone have a good link about nits? Is it a 1:1 improvement or is it a curve as you increase nits? Seems like a lot of nits is amazing but I don't quite understand the difference since I guess it isn't something you can really see in store. I need some Nit education.

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Does anyone have a good link about nits? Is it a 1:1 improvement or is it a curve as you increase nits? Seems like a lot of nits is amazing but I don't quite understand the difference since I guess it isn't something you can really see in store. I need some Nit education.

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Nits is the unit of measurement for brightness, it stands for "candelas per square meter". Rtngs has an explanation here:
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So, yes, according to the press release/write ups the 55" TCL R617 has 92 fald zones and the 55" Vizio P55 will have 56 zones. To keep that in perspective, last years version of the TCL (P605) had 72 zones. Almost unanimously people who have done the side by sides or owned both the 2017 and 2018 TCL model have stated there is very little difference between the two sets, from a functionality standpoint. Other than aesthetics the only real upgrade appears to be in colour reproduction and then only slightly. Don't get me wrong, I think the R617 is a great tv but the number of zones is not the be all and end all of the FALD equation. The algorithm and implementation of the zones makes all the difference. The 65"x900e had around 40 zones....but Sony's implementation helped contribute to the experience of a TV that is pretty much considered the best tv of 2017.

For me, more so than the number of zones, it's the implementation (algorithm, etc) that matters more. Honestly while I have heard a lot of good things about the r617, the fald system, while improved from 2017, still has some of the same or similar issues that the p605 suffered from. Deal breakers? no, I don't think so....but for me, (Like you) I'm waiting to see how some of the other TV brands, with more experience with FALD, perform in 2018 before making a final decision.

**The other spec that the Vizio P appears to have over the TCL R617 is nits. Vizio P = 1000 peak (supposedly) and the TCL R617 = 600 to 700 peak. This could make a noticeable difference when viewing HDR content.
Aha! I thank you for your very detailed post. This was very informative for me. Quite honestly I had a feeling that "implementation" was involved in the background somewhere - had to be. It's similar to something I ran into years ago between an Intel & AMD processor where, on paper, AMD had more cores and same speed, but was actually half the performance of it's Intel counterpart due to implementation, etc.

And you're quite right about nits. I have some knowledge of it and it is undoubtedly another plus for Vizio.

I'm eagerly awaiting P55-F1 at this point. Would love to see real world results & reviews which will help me make a solid decision.

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Any word on when the quantum P series will launch? Looks like they won't be any larger than 65"? I was hoping to see one in 75"

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I'm kinda surprised they didn't do 65 and 75 inch quantum.

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According to the articles they are doing 65" quantum. Just no bigger.

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Quantum is July probably not in your hands till August.

I wonder if there is a pannel manufacturer change between 55/65 & 75 for Vizio. That would explain why no Quantum at 75.

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The cost associated with making a 75" inch panel, let alone a Quantum dot panel is substantial. If they had, the majority of people wouldn't be able to justify a 65" around $2200 and a 75" for probably around $4k
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The cost associated with making a 75" inch panel, let alone a Quantum dot panel is substantial. If they had, the majority of people wouldn't be able to justify a 65" around $2200 and a 75" for probably around $4k
Oh ok thanks for the info. I didn't know it was the big a difference. I bet though they are going to see how the Quantum sells and then offer different sizes down the line.

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Vizio was rather forthright that it would be "early" summer for the PQ. Of course, "early" can mean just about anything.
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The cost associated with making a 75" inch panel, let alone a Quantum dot panel is substantial. If they had, the majority of people wouldn't be able to justify a 65" around $2200 and a 75" for probably around $4k
I am 99.9% sure the 2018 Vizio P Series 75" will be my next tv. The majority of my usage will be streaming series/movies on Netflix, Prime Video, etc. and I am really curious to evaluate the Xfinity platform for the majority of sports viewing (HUGE Astros - Rockets - Texans fan!) on this tv being a native 120hz panel. I will be watching movies via USB as well (only mp4 format can be used, I believe). I do some light gaming as well on a PS4 with a handful of games.
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Vizio was rather forthright that it would be "early" summer for the PQ. Of course, "early" can mean just about anything.
This is very true. Plus, they can be a little creative with the "Summer" release because technically speaking "summer" is June 21st to September 22nd.

So early to mid summer would be July/August
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Oh ok thanks for the info. I didn't know it was the big a difference. I bet though they are going to see how the Quantum sells and then offer different sizes down the line.

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Oh for sure. I think it was in one of the videos magic posted (?maybe the Q v Oled video?) where the rep says that they were only releasing a 65" this year because of the cost value ratio didn't translate in sizes bigger than that...but they are working on that and plan to hopefully release other size variants in the future. So yeah, I think at the very least 2019 they will offer a 75+" model in addition to the 65" and then by 2020 the P line gets basically replaced by the Quantum sets...and what was the P would then be the M.
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I am 99.9% sure the 2018 Vizio P Series 75" will be my next tv. The majority of my usage will be streaming series/movies on Netflix, Prime Video, etc. and I am really curious to evaluate the Xfinity platform for the majority of sports viewing (HUGE Astros - Rockets - Texans fan!) on this tv being a native 120hz panel. I will be watching movies via USB as well (only mp4 format can be used, I believe). I do some light gaming as well on a PS4 with a handful of games.
Yeah, I'm in a similar situation. While I am keeping my eye on other brands, at this point, my main target is the 65"PQ...but that's depending on price (cause on the P-series here in Canada they tend to add an initial price premium beyond the exchange rate). I don't want to, but I'm willing to wait until black friday or a little longer, but definitely by christmas. Should the PQ prove to be excessive in price here, then I will likely be looking at a 65" P or a 65"x900f
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If I thought for one minute Sony would do DV right I'd just go buy one of their TVs. I want the P, but they are doing the worst job keeping people interested. And not with removing the pricing...what's up with that?
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Noyd Communications is the technical PR agency for VIZIO and we are monitoring VIZIO-related threads on AVS Forum. We’re hoping to assist with customer issues where possible, which includes answering questions and forwarding relevant issues to the appropriate internal departments at VIZIO. We look forward to hearing from VIZIO customers with any technical issues and questions that may arise from this forum.

So in regards to questions on availability of P- and P-Series Quantum, the 55 and 65-inch 2018 P-Series will be available for sale on BestBuy.com at the end of May, in-store at Best Buy in early June and available at VIZIO.com and other retailers mid-June. The 75-inch 2018 P-Series will be available on VIZIO.com and other retailers starting mid-June.

The 65” P-Series Quantum will be available late-June on VIZIO.com and will start to roll out to other retailers shortly after, such as Costco.com and SamsClub.com.
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I currently own a 2016 Vizio P65-C1 and am looking to upgrade. Based just upon announced specs, does anyone know if the soon-to-be-released Vizio P-series Quantum would be a better TV picture-wise than a Sony X900F? Thanks...
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Wow thank you Noyd Communications!! Wow.

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So in regards to questions on availability of P- and P-Series Quantum, the 55 and 65-inch 2018 P-Series will be available for sale on BestBuy.com at the end of May, in-store at Best Buy in early June and available at VIZIO.com and other retailers mid-June. The 75-inch 2018 P-Series will be available on VIZIO.com and other retailers starting mid-June.

The 65” P-Series Quantum will be available late-June on VIZIO.com and will start to roll out to other retailers shortly after, such as Costco.com and SamsClub.com.
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So does that mean Costco will be getting the regular 65" P Series in stock around mid June? You just mentioned Costco in regards to the Quantum.
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Noyd Communications is the technical PR agency for VIZIO and we are monitoring VIZIO-related threads on AVS Forum. We’re hoping to assist with customer issues where possible, which includes answering questions and forwarding relevant issues to the appropriate internal departments at VIZIO. We look forward to hearing from VIZIO customers with any technical issues and questions that may arise from this forum.

So in regards to questions on availability of P- and P-Series Quantum, the 55 and 65-inch 2018 P-Series will be available for sale on BestBuy.com at the end of May, in-store at Best Buy in early June and available at VIZIO.com and other retailers mid-June. The 75-inch 2018 P-Series will be available on VIZIO.com and other retailers starting mid-June.

The 65” P-Series Quantum will be available late-June on VIZIO.com and will start to roll out to other retailers shortly after, such as Costco.com and SamsClub.com.
Looks like I will be getting my first Vizio the end of this month..
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Originally Posted by Noydcom View Post
Noyd Communications is the technical PR agency for VIZIO and we are monitoring VIZIO-related threads on AVS Forum. We’re hoping to assist with customer issues where possible, which includes answering questions and forwarding relevant issues to the appropriate internal departments at VIZIO. We look forward to hearing from VIZIO customers with any technical issues and questions that may arise from this forum.

So in regards to questions on availability of P- and P-Series Quantum, the 55 and 65-inch 2018 P-Series will be available for sale on BestBuy.com at the end of May, in-store at Best Buy in early June and available at VIZIO.com and other retailers mid-June. The 75-inch 2018 P-Series will be available on VIZIO.com and other retailers starting mid-June.

The 65” P-Series Quantum will be available late-June on VIZIO.com and will start to roll out to other retailers shortly after, such as Costco.com and SamsClub.com.
So Costco stores would get the 65 P series? other retailers besides best buy?
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