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I have a Sony XBR75X940D. I have been very pleased with the TV.

I am thinking of getting a 75 or 85 850F or 900F. This TV will be in a different location than the 940D noted above.

I will be using the TV in a very large and wide living room. TV will be used to watch college football in a vacation home. I am concerned about the viewing angle. The room will also be quite bright during the day as a result of many windows in the room which can be shaded but not completely blocked out.

Can anyone comment on how the 850 or 900F TVs compare with the 940D? Also, is there another TV that would be better at similar size and price point to the 850 or 900F?

Lastly, it looked like the 850 had better viewing angle than the 900F, but it looks like overall quality of 900F is superior. Any comments on this.

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Is this TV that much better than the discount TCL 65R617?
$1000 difference, but something tells me the Sony will be superior.

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I have a Sony XBR75X940D. I have been very pleased with the TV.

I am thinking of getting a 75 or 85 850F or 900F. This TV will be in a different location than the 940D noted above.

I will be using the TV in a very large and wide living room. TV will be used to watch college football in a vacation home. I am concerned about the viewing angle. The room will also be quite bright during the day as a result of many windows in the room which can be shaded but not completely blocked out.

Can anyone comment on how the 850 or 900F TVs compare with the 940D? Also, is there another TV that would be better at similar size and price point to the 850 or 900F?

Lastly, it looked like the 850 had better viewing angle than the 900F, but it looks like overall quality of 900F is superior. Any comments on this.

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the 850 is a lot better in the 85". the smaller sized all have IPS panels which have poor blacks but wide viewing angles. 900f will always be a noticeable improvement due to the better processor, motion and FALD contrast.
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the 850 is a lot better in the 85". the smaller sized all have IPS panels which have poor blacks but wide viewing angles. 900f will always be a noticeable improvement due to the better processor, motion and FALD contrast.
Are you saying the 850 is better in the 85 than the 900f?
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Are you saying the 850 is better in the 85 than the 900f?
No, the 900f is a clear upgrade. Just saying that the 85" 850 is noticeably better than the smaller size 850 except for viewing angle.
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I’m having a really hard time deciding if I want the 65x900f or the 2018 Vizio P series. I went and looked at both TVs at Best Buy the other day to get a sense of which panel is better, and while the Sony looked more natural as far as colors and sharpness of image, the Vizio had a great picture too, even though the colors were crazy saturated. I know that’s how they are when on display at the store. I just can’t decide. I really wish RTINGS would put out a review of the 2018 P already. Or should I just wait for the Vizio P Quantum, since it’ll be the same price point as the Sony? I need help!
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If your credit card can handle both tvs, and you plan on buying from BB, get both and return the one that you don't find best in your room, with your sources.

BB just shows their canned demo loops, which makes it hard/impossible to actually see how the set will perform with the content you intend to use. They do have a good return policy, so you can use it.

Just make sure you have the return policy period on your calendar, so you can take back the 2nd place finisher with no problem.
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I’m having a really hard time deciding if I want the 65x900f or the 2018 Vizio P series. I went and looked at both TVs at Best Buy the other day to get a sense of which panel is better, and while the Sony looked more natural as far as colors and sharpness of image, the Vizio had a great picture too, even though the colors were crazy saturated. I know that’s how they are when on display at the store. I just can’t decide. I really wish RTINGS would put out a review of the 2018 P already. Or should I just wait for the Vizio P Quantum, since it’ll be the same price point as the Sony? I need help!

I saw the 900F at Best Buy and it was by far the worst picture quality in the entire store. Don't know what the problem was ..maybe bad settings and lack of run time? However, now that I have the 900F at home, I believe it is one of the best picture quality sets I have ever experienced. It is right up there with some of the nicest OLED sets I saw at Best Buy. The RTINGS review of the 900f is on par, and if anything, quite a bit modest. This is one phenomenal piece of modern technology. Truly a next generation product.

Moral of the story ...do not go by the default setups you see at Best Buy. It is very misleading and I am surprised at how many people weight their decisions so strongly upon this flawed source. Although until recently, I was one of them! Couldn't believe how far off from home theater reality things really appear in the BB store. More emphasis should be given to the ratings and feedback from credible sources online. It was kind of a blind faith thing for me but a leap that landed me in a much better result than I ever imagined with this 85" 900f.
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So trying to decided between the X900F and the 930E. Seems the 930E has more brightness for the HDR. Both have the DV. Thoughts?
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So trying to decided between the X900F and the 930E. Seems the 930E has more brightness for the HDR. Both have the DV. Thoughts?
Save money and get the 85" 900f.
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Save money and get the 85" 900f.
Huh? You can get the 900f/900e at the same price or lower for the 'E' in 55" or 65" models.
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So trying to decided between the X900F and the 930E. Seems the 930E has more brightness for the HDR. Both have the DV. Thoughts?
The 900f has full-array local dimming whilst the 930e has edge-lit backlighting. Despite being edge-lit the 930e performs better relative to local dimming and minimizing blooming/haloing. The 930E is also a little bit brighter but the 900F has the X-Motion Clarity which is a more refined version of Black Frame Insertion. So the F will have better motion handling if you take advantage of the Black Frame Insertion feature and the 930e will have brighter HDR highlights and have better local dimming technology. Both sets support Dolby Vision.

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The 900f has full-array local dimming whilst the 900e has edge-lit backlighting. Despite being edge-lit the 930e performs better relative to local dimming and minimizing blooming/haloing. The E series is also a little bit brighter. The one feature the F series has over the E is the X-Motion Clarity which is a more refined version of Black Frame Insertion. So the F will have better motion handling if you take advantage of the Black Frame Insertion feature and the E will have brighter HDR highlights and have better local dimming technology. Both sets support Dolby Vision.
I am newly looking into getting the X900F. I have read that Dolby Vision is now available through a firmware update, but that devices also have to be updated to support Sony's implementation of Dolby Vision? Is this correct?

I would mostly care about streaming from an Apple TV 4K but I have not been able to figure out if it will play nice with this set as far as Dolby Vision goes.
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I am newly looking into getting the X900F. I have read that Dolby Vision is now available through a firmware update, but that devices also have to be updated to support Sony's implementation of Dolby Vision? Is this correct?

I would mostly care about streaming from an Apple TV 4K but I have not been able to figure out if it will play nice with this set as far as Dolby Vision goes.
I believe the newest firmware allows the Apple TV 4K to play nice with the X900F

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It was clearly a typo. It’s obvious from my post that I was making a comparison between the 900f and 930e. Chill
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It was clearly a typo. It’s obvious from my post that I was making a comparison between the 900f and 930e. Chill
Deleted the two posts now.....

To prevent further confusion, please go back to your original post and edit the typo.
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Is this TV that much better than the discount TCL 65R617?
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Any input on this?
Well I can't say for sure because I haven't seen both but I would have to think the Sony would be better in most areas. The biggest area would be processing and upscaling. The X1 extreme chip is excellent. Now it's it 1,000 bucks better, that's up to you to decide.

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I’m having a really hard time deciding if I want the 65x900f or the 2018 Vizio P series. I went and looked at both TVs at Best Buy the other day to get a sense of which panel is better, and while the Sony looked more natural as far as colors and sharpness of image, the Vizio had a great picture too, even though the colors were crazy saturated. I know that’s how they are when on display at the store. I just can’t decide. I really wish RTINGS would put out a review of the 2018 P already. Or should I just wait for the Vizio P Quantum, since it’ll be the same price point as the Sony? I need help!
Vizio P series review is up on rtings. The Vizio has lower peak brightness, grey uniformity & gradient compared to the X900F. I'm also deciding between these two. They both have a 75" which is what I'm wanting. That Vizio price is very tempting.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2018

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I try to calibrate my X900F with HCFR and im not sure wich Display Type to choose. Can someone help me?
LCD White LED? RG Phosphor?Non Refresh?

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I try to calibrate my X900F with HCFR and im not sure wich Display Type to choose. Can someone help me?
LCD White LED? RG Phosphor?Non Refresh?

Thank you.
LCD white, non refresh. Refresh is for Plasma, CRT, and I think OLED?

For calibrating, Generator 0-255, disable video LUT, then advanced menu, preferences, references, HDTV REC709 75%/75%, Display Gamma (black compensation), advanced tab color formula CIE2000. make sure you on your RGB Gamma scale box you right click and enable w/Gamma for REC709, and w/o gamma for BT1886. Also, if you will be using local dimming, or BFI, it would be best to calibrate with those settings ON, as they can produce color shifting and odd effects if switched on afterwards. I use Expert 1 for Cinema Pro with all the goodies on like BFI and local dimming, then Expert 2 on Custom for true calibrated with no local dimming or other functions. The Cinema Pro and Custom profiles have different white balance, so they cannot use the same Expert settings...try, you will see. Good luck!

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I just picked up a 65" X900F as a 2nd TV. Overall this is a nice display, beautiful colors. But the light bloom is ridiculous against black background using as a PC monitor. Have messed around with the dimming settings / brightness etc, but still very noticeable. Especially in a dark room.


My other TV is a 65" Samsung KS8000 used as a PC monitor mainly and the blooming is barely noticeable. Was reading this has something to do with edge lit vs FALD. FYI I love the picture on the KS8000 and would have bought another if they were still in stores. On the 900F viewing from any more than a slight angle kind of sucks too.


Any suggestions to minimize this problem? Could a future firmware update fix it? I have 10 days left to return to Best Buy.

Would a Samsung QF6 or NU8000 be better since blooming is a sticking point for me? I realize on paper they are inferior TV's.



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I saw the 900F at Best Buy and it was by far the worst picture quality in the entire store. Don't know what the problem was ..maybe bad settings and lack of run time? However, now that I have the 900F at home, I believe it is one of the best picture quality sets I have ever experienced. It is right up there with some of the nicest OLED sets I saw at Best Buy. The RTINGS review of the 900f is on par, and if anything, quite a bit modest. This is one phenomenal piece of modern technology. Truly a next generation product.

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Same. It doesn't have punch. Playing spider man and birds in the arctic. It looks undersatured. It's not as bad at home though.
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I just picked up a 65" X900F as a 2nd TV. Overall this is a nice display, beautiful colors. But the light bloom is ridiculous against black background using as a PC monitor. Have messed around with the dimming settings / brightness etc, but still very noticeable. Especially in a dark room.


My other TV is a 65" Samsung KS8000 used as a PC monitor mainly and the blooming is barely noticeable. Was reading this has something to do with edge lit vs FALD. FYI I love the picture on the KS8000 and would have bought another if they were still in stores. On the 900F viewing from any more than a slight angle kind of sucks too.


Any suggestions to minimize this problem? Could a future firmware update fix it? I have 10 days left to return to Best Buy.

Would a Samsung QF6 or NU8000 be better since blooming is a sticking point for me? I realize on paper they are inferior TV's.



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Have you tried Graphics preset?
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just did, that actually made it worse lol.. now theres clouding in the corners of the screen
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Would a Samsung QF6 or NU8000 be better since blooming is a sticking point for me? I realize on paper they are inferior TV's.
Q7FN is better in blooming control and deep blacks than XE9005 for shure. I had 65XE9005 some time ago and as far as I can see XE900 is pretty the same as XF900 in blacks.
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Does the X900F automatically upconvert all input to 4k UHD? I was wondering if I played 1080p material for example if it upconverts. My cable box is 1080P output so is that upconverted? thanks
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Does the X900F automatically upconvert all input to 4k UHD? I was wondering if I played 1080p material for example if it upconverts. My cable box is 1080P output so is that upconverted? thanks
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X950g Ps4 Pro ans Xbone X

Hey guys, I just picked up the new x950g and I'm a bit disappointed in the gaming aspect of things, the resolution on both the xbox one x and the 4 Pro appear to be displaying in somewhere around 2k even thought the both say 4k is enabled. I've gone through all of the settings and the 950 doesn't have the same settings as the x900f. IMHO, I think the x900f is much better. That being said, on the xbone x, all of the "check boxes" are not set but on the x900f they were. Does anyone have any ideas?
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