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Looks like Tcl is number 1 now at least in the USA.
https://www.channelnews.com.au/tcl-r...1-in-tv-sales/

One thing I do ask myself, is how long are these tv's going to last at their current brightness?
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I own both a 65R617 and a Vizio P75-F1. I like them both quite a bit.

I use the TCL in the family room, while I have the Vizio in my media room.

I think the FALD is a little better on the TCL, with a bit less blooming, and the Roku interface is miles ahead better than the current Vizio SmartCast.

Motion is a bit better on the Vizio, and it has 2 additional HDMI inputs. Black level is really great as well, though hard to compare with TCL since I'm in a completely light controlled environment vs. the wide open family room.

Judging by forum responses, it seems like the uniformity issues are about the same for each. Perhaps I got lucky, or maybe I'm not very sensitive to it, but both my sets are solid on that front.

I think you'll be happy with either.



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Cfc, big thanks for your input. Mine will also be in a media room and also will be light controlled. I'm sure either one I'll be happy with...I had a 2014 vizio and until I broke the screen it was a great 1080p TV. I'm planning on a 75 inch and heard the tcl 75 is 120hz but an 8 bit panel. I don't game or at least it will be very little gaming. Mostly movies and cable. Tell me about bit. 8 or 10 or 12 just means more color..so 10 bit is able to do more color than 8? Not sure if I'm getting that right. Since I'm going to be in a dark room I'd like to have as little to no blooming and better black levels as possible so it sounds like it may be a just pick one. Hdmi ports don't matter since I run a denon 4400 so everything goes thru that first

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You're saying the 2019 6 series might be a new panel? I should contact CNET and see if that's true or not. If it is I'll just hold until reviews pop up. Maybe this year they improved black levels and reduced input lag
I was saying the Series 4 might be a new panel. Since the contrast ratio is better than last years.

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Cfc, big thanks for your input. Mine will also be in a media room and also will be light controlled. I'm sure either one I'll be happy with...I had a 2014 vizio and until I broke the screen it was a great 1080p TV. I'm planning on a 75 inch and heard the tcl 75 is 120hz but an 8 bit panel. I don't game or at least it will be very little gaming. Mostly movies and cable. Tell me about bit. 8 or 10 or 12 just means more color..so 10 bit is able to do more color than 8? Not sure if I'm getting that right. Since I'm going to be in a dark room I'd like to have as little to no blooming and better black levels as possible so it sounds like it may be a just pick one. Hdmi ports don't matter since I run a denon 4400 so everything goes thru that first

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The TCL 75" is also a 60hz panel.
And they use 8bit+frc.
Yet the TCL had much less banding than all the Vizio P quantum and P series TVs I Iooked at.
On the 10 bit test patterns, the TCL wasn't as good as my 2015 Sony with a 10bit panel. But it was close enough. And it looked much better than those Vizios.

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The TCL 75" is also a 60hz panel.
And they use 8bit+frc.
Yet the TCL had much less banding than all the Vizio P quantum and P series TVs I Iooked at.
On the 10 bit test patterns, the TCL wasn't as good as my 2015 Sony with a 10bit panel. But it was close enough. And it looked much better than those Vizios.

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Aaron, I don't know this. What would someone need or use 120 hz for. If I don't game do I still want 120hz.

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My friend has the 55" 6 Series and I generally like it so with the current sales, I'm ready to pull the trigger on the 65" with Amazon's 15% discount using the Amazon Visa. However, I'm wondering why TCL didn't have an update for 2019. Does this mean we're likely to get a big upgrade in 2020? Maybe something like the quantum dot technology that Vizio just copied from Samsung? Should I hold off until then since reselling a 65" TV that isn't a Samsung or LG seems really difficult?

I know new technology is always coming so you can end up waiting forever, but for something like an HDTV that you'll have for at least 5 years, it seems worth waiting if there's something substantially better just a few months away.
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Had the TV for 3 days now. Generally very happy.

Started watching Haunting of Hill House, series on Netflix. Dolby Vision (first DV show for us) logo came right up. So DARK!!! Stupidly dark.

Went into the 2 brightness settings and maxed the brightness, still pretty dark. Hmmmm.

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I'm down to either the TCL 6 65" or the Samsung Q6 65" (2018) model.

The Samsung scored 6203:1 (9.2) for contrast ('without' local dimming activated. It's local dimming feature is horrible anyways) where as the TCL got 5182:1 (8.9) (without local contrast on. 'When' on and set to HIGH, it achieved a contrast of 6052:1 which is in the same ball park as the sammy) plus the Samsung has slightly lower input lag at 15ms for all inputs where as the TCL scored 17-19ms.

Brightness, motion ect are all relitively comparable to one another. Nearly identical. The downside?

The TCL 6 65" is only $1049.99 CAD where as the Samsung Q6 65" is....drum roll....$1997.99 CAD 😣

After that's over $1000 of a difference after taxes...

I was just wondering too if the TCLs Local contrast setting dims the picture when getting better contrast? What are the trade offs?

That $1000 or so I'd be spending to get the samsung could get me a Nintendo Switch and a PS4 Pro to go along with the 65" TCL 6. Yeesh. 😛

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I'm down to either the TCL 6 65" or the Samsung Q6 65" (2018) model.

The Samsung scored 6203:1 (9.2) for contrast ('without' local dimming activated. It's local dimming feature is horrible anyways) where as the TCL got 5182:1 (8.9) (without local contrast on. 'When' on and set to HIGH, it achieved a contrast of 6052:1 which is in the same ball park as the sammy) plus the Samsung has slightly lower input lag at 15ms for all inputs where as the TCL scored 17-19ms.

Brightness, motion ect are all relitively comparable to one another. Nearly identical. The downside?

The TCL 6 65" is only $1049.99 CAD where as the Samsung Q6 65" is....drum roll....$1997.99 CAD 😣

After that's over $1000 of a difference after taxes...

I was just wondering too if the TCLs Local contrast setting dims the picture when getting better contrast? What are the trade offs?

That $1000 or so I'd be spending to get the samsung could get me a Nintendo Switch and a PS4 Pro to go along with the 65" TCL 6. Yeesh. 😛
Only question is how comfortable you are with the panel lottery potential....seems like a no brainer otherwise...remove the TCL QC issues and I might even take the 6 series over the 2018 Q6 even if they were the same price...120hz over 60hz but FALD over EdgeLit
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Only question is how comfortable you are with the panel lottery potential....seems like a no brainer otherwise...remove the TCL QC issues and I might even take the 6 series over the 2018 Q6 even if they were the same price...120hz over 60hz but FALD over EdgeLit
According to Rtngs, even when fald is activated and set to High on the TCL it still has slightly inferior contrast compared to the Q6.

I may not even use fald if fald makes the picture or whites look dim ect. I always thought panel lottery issues were more of a thing with vizio

And what do you mean by QC?
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Sony still makes great TV's. They just need to price them competitively and they would dominate the market again. People have a hard time paying 2 or 3 times the price for something unless they are truly seeing a difference. As good as the Sony TV's are. They are not 3 times better than the "budget" TV's.
The 900E and 900F were well priced. In fact I was going t buy a 900F but the TCL existed for so much less. Its not that the Sony is overpriced, but that the TCL is ridiculously cheap for what they give you.

All their other premium sets are too expensive though. And Samsung is starting to fall into that trap too. TCL will pass them if they keep the current pricing strategy
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According to Rtngs, even when fald is activated and set to High on the TCL it still has slightly inferior contrast compared to the Q6.

I may not even use fald if fald makes the picture or whites look dim ect. I always thought panel lottery issues were more of a thing with vizio

And what do you mean by QC?
Local Dimming doesnt make the panels look dim at all. It improves the contrast and overall look dramatically.

Its black frame insertion that dramatically dims the picture. I always turn that off.

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Local Dimming doesnt make the panels look dim at all. It improves the contrast and overall look dramatically.

Its black frame insertion that dramatically dims the picture. I always turn that off.
Donny84 said:"I may not even use fald if fald makes the picture or whites look dim ect. I always thought panel lottery issues were more of a thing with vizio"

On rare occasions I get some blooming in the letterbox areas of the screen with FALD on....and honestly it bothers me a little. But as soon as I turn it down/off and watch the deep blacks become like a dark grey and the contrast change....I have to turn it back on. The little bit of blooming "once and a while" is not that big of a deal when you compare the difference FALD makes to contrast and deep blacks.

I should also state that for some reason the minor "blooming" i see is worse if I am slightly to the side when viewing. If I rotate the TV on it's base so that I am looking straight on, it is either completely gone or reduced by 90%.

If you are experiencing dim images it is not related to FALD being on. I still have issues with some Dolby Vision programs looking a little darker than HDR10 sometimes but I think that's an issue with the DV interpretation if the program.

FALD on this TV is what "makes" this TV in my opinion.
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Donny84 said:"I may not even use fald if fald makes the picture or whites look dim ect. I always thought panel lottery issues were more of a thing with vizio"

On rare occasions I get some blooming in the letterbox areas of the screen with FALD on....and honestly it bothers me a little. But as soon as I turn it down/off and watch the deep blacks become like a dark grey and the contrast change....I have to turn it back on. The little bit of blooming "once and a while" is not that big of a deal when you compare the difference FALD makes to contrast and deep blacks.

I should also state that for some reason the minor "blooming" i see is worse if I am slightly to the side when viewing. If I rotate the TV on it's base so that I am looking straight on, it is either completely gone or reduced by 90%.

If you are experiencing dim images it is not related to FALD being on. I still have issues with some Dolby Vision programs looking a little darker than HDR10 sometimes but I think that's an issue with the DV interpretation if the program.

FALD on this TV is what "makes" this TV in my opinion.


I can handle a bit of blooming on rare occasion, it's the dimming of the screen that would be the deal breaker for me which seems to be the case with the edge lit dimming of samsungs qleds. Good to hear that isn't an issue with the 6 series, because it was with my FALD 2016 vizio 4k D led...

it had good motion and low input lag(13ms)but ultimately the black levels just weren't deep enough. They were a little over 4000:1...Local dimming improved them just a little but they were still noticeably dark greyish when the screen would go black, yet the local dimming dimmed down the picture greatly which is why I always left it off.

Rtngs scored the LD on my set a 2.0. It's really that bad, plus it wasn't bright enough and it only had 8-bit and no wide color gamut. Seems like the 6 series adresses all of these issues.

I'm currently using a 60" Panasonic S60 1080p plasma from 2013 or 2014. Fantastic black levels, color looks good, motion is a little disappointing by plasma standards, yet the lag is too high and unfortunately it has such an unatural dim flat lifeless picture which completely kills the look of this TV
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Wow,
Lots of great things to say about this TV. I think I will go to Best Buy to check one out. I do have a JVC projector, but thinking maybe a 65 TCL for the family room.
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The 900E and 900F were well priced. In fact I was going t buy a 900F but the TCL existed for so much less. Its not that the Sony is overpriced, but that the TCL is ridiculously cheap for what they give you.

All their other premium sets are too expensive though. And Samsung is starting to fall into that trap too. TCL will pass them if they keep the current pricing strategy
They already did pass them:

https://www.displaydaily.com/article...ade-turbulence
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Had the TV for 3 days now. Generally very happy.

Started watching Haunting of Hill House, series on Netflix. Dolby Vision (first DV show for us) logo came right up. So DARK!!! Stupidly dark.

Went into the 2 brightness settings and maxed the brightness, still pretty dark. Hmmmm.

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For DV content I would suggest that you run the ROKU app on iPhone or Android phone while DV content is streaming and adjust the GAMMA from the likely default of 2.2 to 1.8 to brighten up the picture.
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For DV content I would suggest that you run the ROKU app on iPhone or Android phone while DV content is streaming and adjust the GAMMA from the likely default of 2.2 to 1.8 to brighten up the picture.
Great! Thanks, I will give that a try. Will my non-dv settings persist, or will I have to set it back when I change back to hd stuff?

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Wow totally impressed the TCL 6 series. I got the 65 inche and its beautiful. I have no DSE. It has alittle black corners but it's very little cant even notice it. This tv is way better then the NU8000. I have both tvs because Amazon has been sending me crappy tvs so I ordered the TCL 6 and I am comparing the tv to the NU8000. Its night and day folks. This is a high quality tv with excellent picture and upscaling. I havent tried HDR yet or gaming on this tv but I will this weekend. I am sure its even better. Anybody who buys a Samsung Q8 or Q9 or a Sony X900F are stupid you are just wasting money. They maybe slightly better but not for an extra $1000. People need to get this tv. It's a steal. I was skeptical myself but once I hooked it up just wow totally impressed.
I never hear anyone talk about the upscaling on the TCL 6. Glad to see you mention it.
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Recently acquired one of these fantastic TVs. Coming from a Panasonic 50-inch plasma, which I think still had a decent picture, this TCL 65-inch simply blew me away.


One thing I wish I could adjust is the main menu screen brightness. I've searched a bit and the only option seems to be the brightness control under the system settings. However, even the darkest setting is too bright. This is especially noticeable when watching the TV in a completely dark room.


Is there a way to adjust the main menu brightness to bring it down?
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Recently acquired one of these fantastic TVs. Coming from a Panasonic 50-inch plasma, which I think still had a decent picture, this TCL 65-inch simply blew me away.


One thing I wish I could adjust is the main menu screen brightness. I've searched a bit and the only option seems to be the brightness control under the system settings. However, even the darkest setting is too bright. This is especially noticeable when watching the TV in a completely dark room.


Is there a way to adjust the main menu brightness to bring it down?
Glad to hear the jump from your Plasma to this TV was great. My 65r617 is getting delivered next Tuesday. And I am going from a 50 inch LG Plasma to this TV as well.
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Great! Thanks, I will give that a try. Will my non-dv settings persist, or will I have to set it back when I change back to hd stuff?

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Yes, they will persist. Adjusting GAMMA for DV does not affect settings for HD, SD or HDR. I have GAMMA at 2.2 for SD/HD, GAMMA at 2.0 for HDR and GAMMA at 1.8 for DV. Set them once and they persist.
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Recently acquired one of these fantastic TVs. Coming from a Panasonic 50-inch plasma, which I think still had a decent picture, this TCL 65-inch simply blew me away.


One thing I wish I could adjust is the main menu screen brightness. I've searched a bit and the only option seems to be the brightness control under the system settings. However, even the darkest setting is too bright. This is especially noticeable when watching the TV in a completely dark room.


Is there a way to adjust the main menu brightness to bring it down?
You have the TV Brightness option in SETTINGS -- TV PICTURE SETTINGS -- TV BRIGHTNESS -- (Brighter, Bright, Normal, Dark and Darker). NOTE: If you adjust this setting while watching content it will remain at that setting when you return to the HOME SCREEN. Adjusting screen to BRIGHTER for specific content and then returning to the default TCL Roku TV Red Home Screen can be a bit jarring the first few times in a darkened room. There are a number of THEMES available for free that offer a darker Home Screen. Roku NEBULA, Roku GRAPHENE and Math THEME are a few to consider.

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Donny84 said:"I may not even use fald if fald makes the picture or whites look dim ect. I always thought panel lottery issues were more of a thing with vizio"

On rare occasions I get some blooming in the letterbox areas of the screen with FALD on....and honestly it bothers me a little. But as soon as I turn it down/off and watch the deep blacks become like a dark grey and the contrast change....I have to turn it back on. The little bit of blooming "once and a while" is not that big of a deal when you compare the difference FALD makes to contrast and deep blacks.

I should also state that for some reason the minor "blooming" i see is worse if I am slightly to the side when viewing. If I rotate the TV on it's base so that I am looking straight on, it is either completely gone or reduced by 90%.
I get some blooming as well, but the blooming is least offensive in High Local Contrast. It gets worse in medium and low. Without Local Contrast (TCLs label for the local dimming) I get a lot of light beed and some clouding, but those go away completely with the local dimming set to High.

In the dark, even on high some blooming is noticeable. However with some ambient light, the blooming pretty much disappears. I installed a bias light and BOOM! The blooming has disappeared when I watch in the dark. The percieved blacks are also darker with the bias light on.

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I never hear anyone talk about the upscaling on the TCL 6. Glad to see you mention it.
The upscaling is quite good. But then again thats becoming a comon trait in modern equipment.
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The upscaling is quite good. But then again thats becoming a comon trait in modern equipment.
Still annoying that this isn't 1080p and instead 4k. Don't need 4k yet, not until the PS5 comes out which will be a year and a half.

As long as 1080p looks fantastic as it would on a native 1080p led than I'll be happy
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There is something off with the DV implementation, at least on the internal Roku Prime, Vudu, and Netflix apps. YouTube and the Dolby demo channel seems ok. I just disable DV and force Hdr10 via secret menu and am satisfied. Instead of constantly messing with settings I can enjoy a movie with Hdr10 which looks perfectly fine.
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I just disable DV and force Hdr10 via secret menu and am satisfied.
Secret menu? What is this and how do you access it?
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You have the TV Brightness option in SETTINGS -- TV PICTURE SETTINGS -- TV BRIGHTNESS -- (Brighter, Bright, Normal, Dark and Darker). [...] There are a number of THEMES available for free that offer a darker Home Screen. Roku NEBULA, Roku GRAPHENE and Math THEME are a few to consider.
Thanks for the pointers. I already have the system brightness setting set to "Darker" and tried the darker theme. The "Darker" setting is still too bright when watching the TV in the dark. The darker theme is neat, but the problem is that the Roku home screen always has a big box ad on the right side of the screen. Generally these ads will be seared in your retina!

It's not a major complaint, just a nuisance. I did provide feedback to TCL's technical support and they replied quickly that they would raise it internally. I don't have previous experience with TCL, so I don't know if we should expect something to come out of that. Given the fact that I got an actual response from an actual human within 24 hrs, instead of a canned response "we received your message and will be reviewed bla bla bla", I think there's a decent chance something will be done.
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I'm down to either the TCL 6 65" or the Samsung Q6 65" (2018) model.

The Samsung scored 6203:1 (9.2) for contrast ('without' local dimming activated. It's local dimming feature is horrible anyways where as the TCL got 5182:1 (8.9) (without local contrast on. 'When' on and set to HIGH, it achieved a contrast of 6052:1 which is in the same ball park as the sammy) plus the Samsung has slightly lower input lag at 15ms for all inputs where as the TCL scored 17-19ms.

Brightness, motion ect are all relitively comparable to one another. Nearly identical. The downside?

The TCL 6 65" is only $1049.99 CAD where as the Samsung Q6 65" is....drum roll....$1997.99 CAD 😣

After that's over $1000 of a difference after taxes...

I was just wondering too if the TCLs Local contrast setting dims the picture when getting better contrast? What are the trade offs?

That $1000 or so I'd be spending to get the samsung could get me a Nintendo Switch and a PS4 Pro to go along with the 65" TCL 6. Yeesh. 😛
Only question is how comfortable you are with the panel lottery potential....seems like a no brainer otherwise...remove the TCL QC issues and I might even take the 6 series over the 2018 Q6 even if they were the same price...120hz over 60hz but FALD over EdgeLit
Panel lottery is alittle over blown. All manufacturers have QC problems. I think once people hear oh TCL panels suck everyone just rolls with it. Every tv has something wrong with it. No TV is perfect. I just got the TCL R617 65 inch and great. Dont do a test to test your panels cause there will always be something wrong. Just my opinion anyway. Also why is everyone complaing about DV being to dark? I have 4k disc and it looks great not dark at all. I streamed a DV movie on apple tv, I dont use Roku and it looked great. I think people have complained that DV looked dark whole streaming on Netflix which I havent done yet.

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