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*Official* 2018 TCL-5 Series owners thread (No Price Talk)

Figured we should get one of these started.
Been talking to a few people in another thread about this display and ordered mine this afternoon. I will officially join the club on Tuesday.


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Received mine (43") on Saturday the 12th. Awaiting some sharp technician on these forums to report appropriate calibration settings.
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Received mine (43") on Saturday the 12th. Awaiting some sharp technician on these forums to report appropriate calibration settings.
You could check the 6 series forum for maybe a base adjustment and keep an eye out for other users and Rtings or CNET for pro adjustments.

Early impressions of TCL 2018 sets is they are nearly calibrator accurate out of the box. Only a few adjustments are really needed to dial back the red push.

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Received mine (43") on Saturday the 12th. Awaiting some sharp technician on these forums to report appropriate calibration settings.
Lemme know what your initial impressions are of your set. Mine will be here tomorrow, so getting very excited to test this baby out.



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I'm very surprised there hasn't been more action on the 5 series, especially in use for computer work. All the love seems to go to the 6 series. I've had the 43S515 for about a week and a half in use as a computer monitor, and I'm liking it more and more each day.

I'm not a professional reviewer, so I can't really speak to the color accuracy of the panel, but I did some input lag testing in game mode. My results were posted over at Hard Forum:

https://hardforum.com/threads/2018-t...r-350.1958657/

Basically, in game mode the TCL has the same input lag as my old Shimian 27" monitor without a scalar board. That monitor was tested at about 16ms, so I would conclude the TCL is right at the same number.

The Roku app works great, and HDR looks fantastic. I haven't really been able to test out Dolby Vision yet, as my UHD player only outputs HDR. Couple of tweaks after getting the set: Had to change the HDMI input from 1.4 to 2.0 as I was originally only getting 4:4:4 at 30hz. Also had to change the color to RGB 8-bit full in the Nvidia control panel. The specs list this as a 10bit panel, but it's 8bit + FRC. No banding or cloudiness which have plagued some of the 6 series panels.

The only cons so far: The bottom metal strip of the TV gets *really* hot after it has been on for a few hours. Also, the TV had a strong "electronics" smell for about a week. It seems to be finally going away.
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I'm very surprised there hasn't been more action on the 5 series, especially in use for computer work. All the love seems to go to the 6 series. I've had the 43S515 for about a week and a half in use as a computer monitor, and I'm liking it more and more each day.

I'm not a professional reviewer, so I can't really speak to the color accuracy of the panel, but I did some input lag testing in game mode. My results were posted over at Hard Forum:

https://hardforum.com/threads/2018-t...r-350.1958657/

Basically, in game mode the TCL has the same input lag as my old Shimian 27" monitor without a scalar board. That monitor was tested at about 16ms, so I would conclude the TCL is right at the same number.

The Roku app works great, and HDR looks fantastic. I haven't really been able to test out Dolby Vision yet, as my UHD player only outputs HDR. Couple of tweaks after getting the set: Had to change the HDMI input from 1.4 to 2.0 as I was originally only getting 4:4:4 at 30hz. Also had to change the color to RGB 8-bit full in the Nvidia control panel. The specs list this as a 10bit panel, but it's 8bit + FRC. No banding or cloudiness which have plagued some of the 6 series panels.

The only cons so far: The bottom metal strip of the TV gets *really* hot after it has been on for a few hours. Also, the TV had a strong "electronics" smell for about a week. It seems to be finally going away.
I have been watching hard forums and overclockers to see if PC gamers have picked up this TV.
I have come across your post as well.

In some cases if handled correctly 8bit w/ FRC can be nearly indistinguishable from true 10 bit.

Even my KS8500 which claims to be "True" 10 bit has color banding on my PS4 Pro with HDR.

My Sony X900E blew my Samsung away in that regard, but my KS8500 was better in almost every other area.

The motion on my Samsung is near perfect for a VA based panel. I have no purple or black smearing when panning in game camera in darker areas.

I am getting pretty excited about the 5 series at the moment.

I'll be joining the club tomorrow.

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I am no professional reviewer (or viewer). I really did not know what to expect from 4K HDR and was at first a little underwhelmed. However the more I watch the more impressed I am becoming with the level of detail and vibrancy of the colors. I do not game so can't comment on that aspect. This TV is in the bedroom. Wish TCL had a 6 series in 70 inch or better as I really like the Roku interface. Will probably go with the Vizio P series 75" when available for the main TV room. It will replace a Samsung 72" DLP. I anticipate seeing a bigger difference in picture quality going to 4K HDR in a bigger screen size.
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You could check the 6 series forum for maybe a base adjustment and keep an eye out for other users and Rtings or CNET for pro adjustments.

Early impressions of TCL 2018 sets is they are nearly calibrator accurate out of the box. Only a few adjustments are really needed to dial back the red push.

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That forum is so massive it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
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That forum is so massive it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
It exploded. I was watching from about post 12 and a couple weeks later we've either hit or passed 1800 by now.

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That forum is so massive it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
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I got mine a day early. I am still messing with picture settings at the moment.
I will have early impressions soon.

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I got mine a day early. I am still messing with picture settings at the moment.
I will have early impressions soon.

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Out of the box impressions.

1:This set is dim.

2:The red push is real, some content bordering on neon.

3:Uniformity is pretty great. Little to no light bleed or pooling.

4:Input lag is imperceptible even outside of game mode.

5:Motion is pretty great as well for 60hz display. I haven't noticed any judder, unnatural blur or smearing/overdrive trailing of any kind.
For a VA based panel this is quite a feat, my X900E and KS8500 are only slightly better and they are native 120hz.

After set-up:

1:considerably brighter. If I were to hazard a guess between 300-400nit in HDR.

2:Warm is the preferred color temperature with HDR bright enabled.

HDR dark appears to crush all the shadow detail and shift all colors toward a brown tone.

3:Uniformity is still good on mine with only minor banding noticable only with my purity slides on white.
Normal content I have noticed little to none.

4:I am living this display with my One X and Pro at the moment.
Wolfenstein 2, Doom and Destiny 2 are stunners.

5:Motion is still good

If I were to guess this is likely an 8 bit panel w/FRC to achieve 10 bit color.
I noticed minor color banding on some gaming content, but that is likely a limitation of the console or engine than the display.
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Thanks for the impressions. I’m very interested in this series. I’m holding out until Costco runs out of the 2017 models and gets the 2018s in.
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I'm very interested in the 43" model. For those of you who already have it, how is the dirty screen effect? Is it really noticeable? I like to watch a lot of soccer and football, so heavy DSE would be a bummer.
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I'm very interested in the 43" model. For those of you who already have it, how is the dirty screen effect? Is it really noticeable? I like to watch a lot of soccer and football, so heavy DSE would be a bummer.
My 43" is has little to no dirty screen effect. I will test it with a purity slide tonight for a more conclusive result.

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I'm very interested in the 43" model. For those of you who already have it, how is the dirty screen effect? Is it really noticeable? I like to watch a lot of soccer and football, so heavy DSE would be a bummer.
I don't notice any. I haven't gone looking for it, nor do I intend to.
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I don't notice any. I haven't gone looking for it, nor do I intend to.
For normal content I haven't noticed anything either. I have tested several games with blue skyboxes that would show DSE and banding, but haven't noticed anything.

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I'm very interested in the 43" model. For those of you who already have it, how is the dirty screen effect? Is it really noticeable? I like to watch a lot of soccer and football, so heavy DSE would be a bummer.
Here is a pic of mine...I don't notice any:

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Any suggested calibration settings?
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Any suggested calibration settings?
Those probably won't be around until the RTings review is done in a couple/few weeks. Not a ton of people buying $400 TVs also have a $300 calibration setup
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Those probably won't be around until the RTings review is done in a couple/few weeks. Not a ton of people buying $400 TVs also have a $300 calibration setup
Agreed. Thought there might be a few here who know a thing or two about these things and have an eye for such. You know guys who can see "dirty screens, banding, red push, etc" who could help us newbies get the best picture possible by suggesting certain picture settings:
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Any suggested calibration settings?
No calibration settings, but I find I'm happiest with Movie + Warm, or Normal + Normal picture settings (with backlight set to Dark usually).

Movie + Warm seems the most accurate but is kinda muted and slightly washed out looking. Normal + Normal adds vibrance without looking oversaturated or unnatural (to my eyes at least).

My SO is getting sick of me futzing with the picture controls though, so I hope to "set it and forget it" soon.

This is with YouTubeTV content mostly. Aside from the demo vids, we haven't watched any HDR or DV content on this screen.
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As a starting point I used the Disney WOW calibration disc and the Rtings C-series from 2017 expert setting as a base for.my adjustments.

Basic settings are as follows:
TV brightness:Brighter (I have a bit of ambient light)
Bright HDR I found the Dark setting crushes black detail and adds a purple hue to the overall image

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BL:100 (HDR)
Contrast:97
Brightness:50 (47 HDR on Destiny 2 PS4)
Sharpness:20-30 (at zero it begins to soften the edges a little bit)
Color:47 (SDR) 60 (HDR)
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Can anyone compare the S series from last year to this new 5 series? Im aware of the difference in specs, just looking for a comparison from actual use. I’m mainly looking at the 43” for gaming on my Xbox One X.
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I am using the 43" with my One X and PS4 Pro currently.

If you want a comparison check out the tcl C-series review from 2017. The new S-series essentially replaces that model in the 2018 line up.

Rting will likely post their review of the 5 series tomorrow or early next week.
Comparing it to my Samsung KS8500 I would say peak brightness is likely 350-400nit and static contrast is likely 3000-4000:1.

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I am using the 43" with my One X and PS4 Pro currently.

If you want a comparison check out the tcl C-series review from 2017. The new S-series essentially replaces that model in the 2018 line up.

Rting will likely post their review of the 5 series tomorrow or early next week.
Comparing it to my Samsung KS8500 I would say peak brightness is likely 350-400nit and static contrast is likely 3000-4000:1.


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Thanks for the info! Could you give me your impressions for gaming on the 5 series? Thoughts on HDR?
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Thanks for the info! Could you give me your impressions for gaming on the 5 series? Thoughts on HDR?
HDR is great on both mid gen refresh systems.
Xbox one X seems to handle HDR better in most cases vs Pro.

Input lag is low on this thing. I haven't noticed any issues this far with any genre of play.

Motion is pretty much as good as bet on a 60hz panel. I have noticed no judder, no unnatural blur or smearing/overdrive trailing.
I would say outside of a computer monitor this is about as good as get for a 43" gaming display at this price.

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I like what I see. Thanks for the information and pics. I might go ahead and get the 5 series.
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