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I really like this Samsung I saw yesterday:

Samsung - 75" Class - LED - Q9F Series

It had a really good picture quality but way more expensive but Best Buy guy told me to go with the Sony 75" X900F instead.
It has issues - HDR luminance set too high above the standard, inaccurate colors, plus lots of early adopter firmware issues.
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I really like this Samsung I saw yesterday:

Samsung - 75" Class - LED - Q9F Series

It had a really good picture quality but way more expensive but Best Buy guy told me to go with the Sony 75" X900F instead.
if price is no concern, that's where the q9fn might be a consideration, but really that's a very premium price. however, for a more reasonable price, the x900e is probably the best bang for buck. someone of the threads had both a x900f and x900e together and said he really couldn't see a big difference, and wouldn't pay extra for the x900f just for dolby vision. the main advantage he saw with the x900f is the out of box accuracy, so if you're not going to calibrate the tv then that might be a advantage. but the x900e is probably the best value.

and it beats most of the other tvs mentioned above by far, just go to something like rtings.com and compare them.
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Imagic will be doing a review of the Sony 900F and the Vizio P series. If he reviews the Vizio PQ instead of just the P then it will only be 65 inchers which should also be viable for comparison purposes for the Sony but not the Vizio. The Vizio P75 won't we available at Costco till mid JUNE and at this time is apparently $2299 but that could change. Spec wise the 75P should compare favorably to the 900F. The reviews from several places like rating.com etc should be very interesting between these two sets.

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I just had a general question about the "emerging" brands like Vizio, TCL, Hisense, etc... I bought my Panny 58" plasma almost 10 years ago, and haven't been paying much attention since then. From what I gather, these brands have really made some positive gains in quality and reliability. Are they genuinely decent low-price options these days? I had a lot of doubts about quality and product life back then, but that seems to be mostly improved. I'm starting to think about a new 65" or so to replace the Panny in the living room, which will go down to the rec room, and would love to get something at a reasonable price and not have to dip into my theatre/projector budget. Mostly for casual watching of TV and movies. Any "serious" viewing would be done in the theatre.
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At the 75" scale the X900F is hands down the best value/quality you can buy right now, even the 85" @ $5300 is a real bargin when you compare that size/price to say a 77" OLED or the 75" Samsung Q9FN. The other option I would look at would be the 2018 Vizio P series, or even the Sony Z9D at 75" is now a good buy.

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I went to bestbuy magnolia and seen all these tv's playing the same 4k movie side by side
The 900f was next to the Samsung q6
The the Samsung q8 was next to the sony oled
Along with the 77inch LG oled c8 and sony z9d in the opposite corners. All the tv's were the 2018 model besides the z9d, also the Sony 850f was there, all tv's were 75inches at least.
I had them play the 4k Spiderman 2 video, and some wild life content, and jimangi in 4k



As far as pq goes the LG c8 was best from all angles, the color, black level black levels just gave it that pop.

After that the Samsung q8 had the best picture, almost oled like and it was much brighter then the LG.

After that's it was a tie between the Sony 900f, and the Samsung q6, I watched these 2 tv's most, especially when jimangi was on, I thought the Samsung had slightly better color. Other then that it was a tie.

In last place was z9d, the picture looked washed, and colors didn't poo at all, the sales guys agreed also, he said it was calibrated too.

So I went to another bestbuy that all the new tv next to each Other, this time adding the Samsung nu8000, and sony 850f to the list, all tv's were 75inches at least.

I had them put on wild life content.
This time zd9 came in first with brightness and the most detailed picture.

After that LG oled c8 still have the best pq but the lack of brightness was obvious.

Now I discovered a new battle
The 900f vs the 850f, the difference is the 900f having fald, but still the pq and brightness was the same, I saw no difference in detail what so ever.

The Samsung q6 held it's own terms of brightness in color, but noticed a lack of detail in paused scene's.

Next to it, the Samsung nu8000, had the brightness to match other sets but detail, and pq suffered when compared to the other tv's mentioned
Here is how I rank it.

1. LG c8 77inch
2. The between the Samsung q8, Sony z9d, Sony oled

3). Three way the between the Sony 85inch 900f, 85inch Sony 850f, and the Samsung q6 82inch,
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Here is how I rank it.

1. LG c8 77inch
2. The between the Samsung q8, Sony z9d, Sony oled

3). Three way the between the Sony 85inch 900f, 85inch Sony 850f, and the Samsung q6 82inch,
You must have been looking at the 85" 850F which has a VA panel - all the smaller ones have IPS panels. Since I've never seen one on display, it's nice to know it looks that good, even without local dimming.
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At the 75" scale the X900F is hands down the best value/quality you can buy right now, even the 85" @ $5300 is a real bargin when you compare that size/price to say a 77" OLED or the 75" Samsung Q9FN. The other option I would look at would be the 2018 Vizio P series, or even the Sony Z9D at 75" is now a good buy.
If the Vizio P75-F1 is close to the 75X900F, and I fully expect it to be very close if not better, then at a advertised MSRP of $2499, it will be game over. If history repeats itself we can expect to possibly see sale prices under $2,000 by the end of the year.
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The TCL 75c807 for $1499 at Costco is one of the Best Values in my opinion. I purchased this Tv online last Friday and received it on Thursday. So far i'am really pleased with it. The built in Roku is really nice.
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The Samsung q6 is 82inch at 3999
Over 1000 nits of brightness and 100% color volume

The sony 850f 85inch is 4,400, the same pq as the 900f minus the full array backlighting.
If you can get the Sony 85 f900 for $4,400 get it!
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I'm looking for a 75" for no more than$3000. Costco shows the Samsung QLED QN75Q65FNFXZA at $2999- I think they just came off ad for another 15% back on a Costco card rebate. I've seen a lot about the Q9FN, is this a true Q6FN or a Costco variant? Any thoughts on this TV?
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I'm looking for a 75" for no more than$3000. Costco shows the Samsung QLED QN75Q65FNFXZA at $2999- I think they just came off ad for another 15% back on a Costco card rebate. I've seen a lot about the Q9FN, is this a true Q6FN or a Costco variant? Any thoughts on this TV?
It's the Costco/Sam's Club Q6FN. Not as good as the edge-lit Q7FN or the FALD Q8FN & Q9FN, it is edge lit with iffy dimming, and does not have the exceptional IR filter the other's do.
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It's the Costco/Sam's Club Q6FN. Not as good as the edge-lit Q7FN or the FALD Q8FN & Q9FN, it is edge lit with iffy dimming, and does not have the exceptional IR filter the other's do.
Can you give another recommendation at that size and price point? FYI, no gaming- sports and movies primarily. Large great room with a fair amount of natural light in the daytime.
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Can you give another recommendation at that size and price point? FYI, no gaming- sports and movies primarily. Large great room with a fair amount of natural light in the daytime.
If I were you I'd look at the Vizio P75-F1. I have a P65 and I'm really happy with it so far. If you can wait a week or so the rtings review on the 2018 P series should be out soon

https://televisions.reviewed.com/con...ries-tv-review

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I went to bestbuy magnolia and seen all these tv's playing the same 4k movie side by side
The 900f was next to the Samsung q6
The the Samsung q8 was next to the sony oled
Along with the 77inch LG oled c8 and sony z9d in the opposite corners. All the tv's were the 2018 model besides the z9d, also the Sony 850f was there, all tv's were 75inches at least.
I had them play the 4k Spiderman 2 video, and some wild life content, and jimangi in 4k



As far as pq goes the LG c8 was best from all angles, the color, black level black levels just gave it that pop.

After that the Samsung q8 had the best picture, almost oled like and it was much brighter then the LG.

After that's it was a tie between the Sony 900f, and the Samsung q6, I watched these 2 tv's most, especially when jimangi was on, I thought the Samsung had slightly better color. Other then that it was a tie.

In last place was z9d, the picture looked washed, and colors didn't poo at all, the sales guys agreed also, he said it was calibrated too.

So I went to another bestbuy that all the new tv next to each Other, this time adding the Samsung nu8000, and sony 850f to the list, all tv's were 75inches at least.

I had them put on wild life content.
This time zd9 came in first with brightness and the most detailed picture.

After that LG oled c8 still have the best pq but the lack of brightness was obvious.

Now I discovered a new battle
The 900f vs the 850f, the difference is the 900f having fald, but still the pq and brightness was the same, I saw no difference in detail what so ever.

The Samsung q6 held it's own terms of brightness in color, but noticed a lack of detail in paused scene's.

Next to it, the Samsung nu8000, had the brightness to match other sets but detail, and pq suffered when compared to the other tv's mentioned
Here is how I rank it.

1. LG c8 77inch
2. The between the Samsung q8, Sony z9d, Sony oled

3). Three way the between the Sony 85inch 900f, 85inch Sony 850f, and the Samsung q6 82inch,
The different results between stores should give you a hint about evaluations in those conditions. The difference between the 900f and 850F will establish itself with normal content and less bright environments. I personally notice a real difference between the 900f and 900e simply due to the better processing but that doesn't become very noticeable in display content and showroom settings.
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If I were you I'd look at the Vizio P75-F1. I have a P65 and I'm really happy with it so far. If you can wait a week or so the rtings review on the 2018 P series should be out soon

https://televisions.reviewed.com/con...ries-tv-review

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I was very interested in the P but it's review will need to be better in regards to scaling than the last one or the M in terms of scaling. The last P and this years M both had Rtings call their 720p scaling to look a bit soft etc. I have comcast cable and guess what they stream at. I also watch sports (I will use an antenna for most of that) and the 900f motion handling is currently the best available. I'm leaning strongly towards a 75 900f at this time but not settled just yet. I may consider a Visio 65 PQ or the 75 P if a review reports better scaling. I'm really intrigued by the 900f adaptive BFI that will reduce flicker and maintain brightness with the highest motion resolution. That's where Vince's take is so valuable. While he's expert at settings, he doesn't mind giving real world opinions on subjective aspects.

Seems like there are a lot of great choices when looking at static image results and/or HDR sources but that's far from our exclusively usage.

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I was very interested in the P but it's review will need to be better in regards to scaling than the last one or the M in terms of scaling. The last P and this years M both had Rtings call their 720p scaling to look a bit soft etc. I have comcast cable and guess what they stream at. I also watch sports (I will use an antenna for most of that) and the 900f motion handling is currently the best available. I'm leaning strongly towards a 75 900f at this time but not settled just yet. I may consider a Visio 65 PQ or the 75 P if a review reports better scaling. I'm really intrigued by the 900f adaptive BFI that will reduce flicker and maintain brightness with the highest motion resolution. That's where Vince's take is so valuable. While he's expert at settings, he doesn't mind giving real world opinions on subjective aspects.

Seems like there are a lot of great choices when looking at static image results and/or HDR sources but that's far from our exclusively usage.
I've been watching the world cup on my P65-F1 and I think the 1080i / 720p native upscaling is looking good. I don't notice any motion issues at all and I'm coming from a Panasic Plasma. I just turned BFI on for the second half. First half of the Colombia vs Japan game looked great

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I went to bestbuy magnolia and seen all these tv's playing the same 4k movie side by side
The 900f was next to the Samsung q6
The the Samsung q8 was next to the sony oled
Along with the 77inch LG oled c8 and sony z9d in the opposite corners. All the tv's were the 2018 model besides the z9d, also the Sony 850f was there, all tv's were 75inches at least.
I had them play the 4k Spiderman 2 video, and some wild life content, and jimangi in 4k



As far as pq goes the LG c8 was best from all angles, the color, black level black levels just gave it that pop.

After that the Samsung q8 had the best picture, almost oled like and it was much brighter then the LG.

After that's it was a tie between the Sony 900f, and the Samsung q6, I watched these 2 tv's most, especially when jimangi was on, I thought the Samsung had slightly better color. Other then that it was a tie.

In last place was z9d, the picture looked washed, and colors didn't poo at all, the sales guys agreed also, he said it was calibrated too.

So I went to another bestbuy that all the new tv next to each Other, this time adding the Samsung nu8000, and sony 850f to the list, all tv's were 75inches at least.

I had them put on wild life content.
This time zd9 came in first with brightness and the most detailed picture.

After that LG oled c8 still have the best pq but the lack of brightness was obvious.

Now I discovered a new battle
The 900f vs the 850f, the difference is the 900f having fald, but still the pq and brightness was the same, I saw no difference in detail what so ever.

The Samsung q6 held it's own terms of brightness in color, but noticed a lack of detail in paused scene's.

Next to it, the Samsung nu8000, had the brightness to match other sets but detail, and pq suffered when compared to the other tv's mentioned
Here is how I rank it.

1. LG c8 77inch
2. The between the Samsung q8, Sony z9d, Sony oled

3). Three way the between the Sony 85inch 900f, 85inch Sony 850f, and the Samsung q6 82inch,
It would be nice to compare the different sets using live tv such as the World Cup so you can get an idea how each set handles upscaling.
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My wife and I bought the Samsung UN82MU8000 on February 3rd, and we couldn't be happier. Completely immersive at 13 feet.

Having said that if you can afford it go for the 85 inch Sony 900F.

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75" X900F - All day every day for the money.

Gets plenty bright, great uniformity and incredible value for the money
Does Dolby Vision unlike Samsung and has the X1 Extreme Chip...best upscaling.

Had a 65Z9D with poor uniformity.
Almost bought a 75Z9D but 5300-5800
Was waiting for Z9F.....

Bought this as a holdover TV and it is so much more than that.
Likely will keep this until the next big Tech push.... HDMI standard/micro led etc.

Best value for the money hands down.
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75" X900F - All day every day for the money.

Gets plenty bright, great uniformity and incredible value for the money
Does Dolby Vision unlike Samsung and has the X1 Extreme Chip...best upscaling.

Had a 65Z9D with poor uniformity.
Almost bought a 75Z9D but 5300-5800
Was waiting for Z9F.....

Bought this as a holdover TV and it is so much more than that.
Likely will keep this until the next big Tech push.... HDMI standard/micro led etc.

Best value for the money hands down.



I really need convinced that the 900F is a better Value than the Vizio P 75". The upscaling is important to me though.
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I really need convinced that the 900F is a better Value than the Vizio P 75". The upscaling is important to me though.
If you're talking pure value, no, the $3500 75" x900F isn't really "worth" $1500 more than the $2000 75" P-series. But, it is a better set, and will likely have less issues than Vizios sometimes tend to have. Vizio is a value oriented brand, so that's how they compete - offer higher end features for a lower price than competitors, although, they definitely have to cut some corners to get there. You have to decide if you're willing to live with those cut corners or not. Sony isn't trying to be a "value" option for the x900F really, it's a mid-higher end set with very few compromises. When you get towards the higher end, the value factor tends to go out the window. The P series is trying to lure people in with the higher end features for a budget price by comparison.

Vizio's cut corners tend to be:
- Not as good color (vs. higher end sets)
- Worst upscaler among the brands, but not horrifically bad or anything, it's just not Sony/Samsung/LG level
- Reliability/quality, any tv can have issues, but Vizio seems to have really gone down in this department in recent years with their issues they've been having, and specifically with P series sets (random shut downs, lines on tv, etc...)

If you're willing to potentially live with the above, then the P series is a great option, if you think getter better color, upscaler, potential reliability, etc...is worth $1500 more to you, then the x900F is the way to go

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If you're talking pure value, no, the $3500 75" x900F isn't really "worth" $1500 more than the $2000 75" P-series. But, it is a better set, and will likely have less issues than Vizios sometimes tend to have. Vizio is a value oriented brand, so that's how they compete - offer higher end features for a lower price than competitors, although, they definitely have to cut some corners to get there. You have to decide if you're willing to live with those cut corners or not. Sony isn't trying to be a "value" option for the x900F really, it's a mid-higher end set with very few compromises. When you get towards the higher end, the value factor tends to go out the window. The P series is trying to lure people in with the higher end features for a budget price by comparison.

Vizio's cut corners tend to be:
- Not as good color (vs. higher end sets)
- Worst upscaler among the brands, but not horrifically bad or anything, it's just not Sony/Samsung/LG level
- Reliability/quality, any tv can have issues, but Vizio seems to have really gone down in this department in recent years with their issues they've been having, and specifically with P series sets (random shut downs, lines on tv, etc...)

If you're willing to potentially live with the above, then the P series is a great option, if you think getter better color, upscaler, potential reliability, etc...is worth $1500 more to you, then the x900F is the way to go


Great points and as you said there seems to be some quality issues. My very first HDTV was a 50" XBR in 2003 and it is still going strong at my in-laws. I think given the reviews and the history I am going to spend the extra and get the 900F. Thanks
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