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post #61 of 622 Old 06-17-2018, 08:29 PM
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I calibrated my SDR to BT.709 @ 200 nits and it looks fantastic! Colors look natural but contrast is even better than my 100 nits calibration.

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I calibrated my SDR to BT.709 @ 200 nits and it looks fantastic! Colors look natural but contrast is even better than my 100 nits calibration.


Did you still follow 2.2 or did you do 2.4?


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Did you still follow 2.2 or did you do 2.4?


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2.2 again, I prefer it over 2.4. I like its shadow detail better.

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2.2 again, I prefer it over 2.4. I like its shadow detail better.


I calibrated again with the newer calman beta. At least sdr at the moment. With gamma 0 and brightness +1 it tracked 2.2 after going through its autocal relatively well. I had tried with gamma at +1 but all I noticed is that instead of tracking 2.2, the lower ire 7% was closer to 2.0. And when I had brightness at +2, everything initially tracked closer to 2.2, but then the lower ire went haywire. Colors calibrated easily but were still under saturated. Raised color initially to 30, but then got larger errors in red and magenta. Backed it off to 28 and it did somewhat better. Tint was still off in magenta. Hoping with the final release, cms will be sorted. Color tracker was pretty solid. Average error was around 2, but peaked at 5. I’m gonna play around with some more settings later on.


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I calibrated again with the newer calman beta. At least sdr at the moment. With gamma 0 and brightness +1 it tracked 2.2 after going through its autocal relatively well. I had tried with gamma at +1 but all I noticed is that instead of tracking 2.2, the lower ire 7% was closer to 2.0. And when I had brightness at +2, everything initially tracked closer to 2.2, but then the lower ire went haywire. Colors calibrated easily but were still under saturated. Raised color initially to 30, but then got larger errors in red and magenta. Backed it off to 28 and it did somewhat better. Tint was still off in magenta. Hoping with the final release, cms will be sorted. Color tracker was pretty solid. Average error was around 2, but peaked at 5. I’m gonna play around with some more settings later on.


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That's the problem, 7% is either too high gamma or too low gamma. I prefer the lower gamma because it's brighter, better for the shadow detail. For the 200 nit cal I ended up with 1 brightness and gamma 1. I'm hoping the 2018 meter option will help things out. And I'm getting better color with Saturation Sweep 75% Only AutoCal than with CMS AutoCal. We'll keep sorting things out .
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That's the problem, 7% is either too high gamma or too low gamma. I prefer the lower gamma because it's brighter, better for the shadow detail. For the 200 nit cal I ended up with 1 brightness and gamma 1. I'm hoping the 2018 meter option will help things out. And I'm getting better color with Saturation Sweep 75% Only AutoCal than with CMS AutoCal. We'll keep sorting things out .


All in all, you are getting much better color accuracy than I am. It’s interesting that I can run the same settings multiple times and get different results each time. First time I ran color checker I had errors up to 5, second time was down to 2.2, third time up to 3. Greyscale seems spot on to what I’ve been seeing with mine


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All in all, you are getting much better color accuracy than I am. It’s interesting that I can run the same settings multiple times and get different results each time. First time I ran color checker I had errors up to 5, second time was down to 2.2, third time up to 3. Greyscale seems spot on to what I’ve been seeing with mine


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If you're using the CMS AutoCal rather than the Saturation Sweeps AutoCal it looks like that might still be a work in progress - there's a beta note that says the DDC CMS Adjustment Point should be left at 100 for now, which I don't think is optimal. Also some drift might be due to the meter, some to the display, not sure how to tell.

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If you're using the CMS AutoCal rather than the Saturation Sweeps AutoCal it looks like that might still be a work in progress - there's a beta note that says the DDC CMS Adjustment Point should be left at 100 for now, which I don't think is optimal. Also some drift might be due to the meter, some to the display, not sure how to tell.


Since this is the first Samsung I’ve done any autocal with, isn’t the ddc cms control so you can independently adjust the different saturation points? 100/75/50/25? I feel like I vaguely remember someone saying you could adjust both 75/50 on last years model?


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Since this is the first Samsung I’ve done any autocal with, isn’t the ddc cms control so you can independently adjust the different saturation points? 100/75/50/25? I feel like I vaguely remember someone saying you could adjust both 75/50 on last years model?

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Maybe they were talking about the cuts (offsets for us) / gains grayscale adjustment. AutoCal only does one saturation level at one specific stimulus level. Even if you start it up with 2 or more saturation sweeps selected it will ask you to select one in 1% steps. The problem with calibrating two or more levels at the same time is that they would counteract each other since they are adjusting the same set of controls, with the last one used winning.

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So I found this link from spectracal on how to set up calibration on the 2017 qled. It’s kind of an interesting read. I found it interesting that they use the led RG phosphor meter profile rather than the 2017 qled profile, unless that profile wasn’t ready yet. Out of curiosity I tried using that profile just for cms, and oddly I was getting much better and consistent readings. However, using that profile also shifted my white point, but I was too lazy to fuss with it anymore last night.

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So I found this link from spectracal on how to set up calibration on the 2017 qled. It’s kind of an interesting read. I found it interesting that they use the led RG phosphor meter profile rather than the 2017 qled profile, unless that profile wasn’t ready yet. Out of curiosity I tried using that profile just for cms, and oddly I was getting much better and consistent readings. However, using that profile also shifted my white point, but I was too lazy to fuss with it anymore last night.

http://www.spectracal.com/Documents/...SetupGuide.pdf


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Not all meters have the QLED option like the C6 has. And we're still waiting for the 2018 profile.

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Not all meters have the QLED option like the C6 has. And we're still waiting for the 2018 profile.


True, but I found it interesting to get different readings using the rg phosphor profile if that would in theory be equivalent to the 2017 qled profile?


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True, but I found it interesting to get different readings using the rg phosphor profile if that would in theory be equivalent to the 2017 qled profile?


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It's a generalized workable option for those meters without the benefit of a specificQLED option as I understand it.

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So these are my current settings. These are specific to my set which is 65” and to my liking as well as closely calibrated to industry standard to the best of my hobbyist abilities. Backlight can be adjust to your liking, these settings equate to roughly 250 nits. I suggest adding 1 to brightness if you are in a lit room to preserve shadow detail.

Movie mode:
Backlight: 25
Brightness: 0
Contrast: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 30
Tint: r2
Apply pictures settings: all
Digital clean view (user discretion)
Auto motion plus: custom (0,0)
Local dimming: standard
Contrast enhanced: off
Hdr+: off
Color tone: warm 2

2pt white balance
0
-1
-4
-2
0
0

Gamma bt. 1886: 0

Color space settings: custom
Red: 0,0,0
Green: 24,38,2
Blue: 0,0,6
Yellow: 24,42,0
Cyan: 0,16,92
Magenta: 0,1,2

I’ll possibly add my 20pt later on. I factory reset my tv yesterday due to my gaming issue, so only had time for a 2pt and color space this morning. These settings account for 100% white, rather than my previous which provides for whiter than white (109%).

If someone wants whiter than white I’ll try and do that again later on. I believe my previous settings were also using calman 2017 settings compared to the 2018 beta I’m using now



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So these are my current settings. These are specific to my set which is 65” and to my liking as well as closely calibrated to industry standard to the best of my hobbyist abilities. Backlight can be adjust to your liking, these settings equate to roughly 250 nits. I suggest adding 1 to brightness if you are in a lit room to preserve shadow detail.

Movie mode:
Backlight: 25
Brightness: 0
Contrast: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 30
Tint: r2
Apply pictures settings: all
Digital clean view (user discretion)
Auto motion plus: custom (0,0)
Local dimming: standard
Contrast enhanced: off
Hdr+: off
Color tone: warm 2

2pt white balance
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-1
-4
-2
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Gamma bt. 1886: 0

Color space settings: custom
Red: 0,0,0
Green: 24,38,2
Blue: 0,0,6
Yellow: 24,42,0
Cyan: 0,16,92
Magenta: 0,1,2

I’ll possibly add my 20pt later on. I factory reset my tv yesterday due to my gaming issue, so only had time for a 2pt and color space this morning. These settings account for 100% white, rather than my previous which provides for whiter than white (109%).

If someone wants whiter than white I’ll try and do that again later on. I believe my previous settings were also using calman 2017 settings compared to the 2018 beta I’m using now



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Thanks for sharing.

1 question you use this settings to HDR to ?
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HDR has different settings. I can post mine later. At work currently. Color management is currently in the works for calman so I left color on auto for now. When in custom settings the availability of p3 vs rec 2020 is an option which does change color coordinates to a visible degree. Basically for hdr I adjusted contrast and brightness to be a middle ground setting between 1000 nit and 4000 nit content. And balances the white point via 2pt controls


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Sound good.

Wonder why the subtitles is light gray and not white on HDR movie from Apple TV 4K with that settings?

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Wonder why the subtitles is light gray and not white on HDR movie from Apple TV 4K with that settings?


Perhaps internal processing from the Apple TV?


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White sub is add in atv if i set tv to normally color the sup is will be showing light gray to white.

Have you time to post HDR settings here?
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HDR has different settings. I can post mine later. At work currently. Color management is currently in the works for calman so I left color on auto for now. When in custom settings the availability of p3 vs rec 2020 is an option which does change color coordinates to a visible degree. Basically for hdr I adjusted contrast and brightness to be a middle ground setting between 1000 nit and 4000 nit content. And balances the white point via 2pt controls


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Did you return your Q9FN?
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Did you return your Q9FN?


It is being returned. Just having too many issues with the one connect box. I still have it but am on vacation away from home until Friday. I’ll do a quick calibration for hdr before I unmount it and get it ready to go back.


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Looking for settings ,especially from 75" owners who view where there is ambient daylight to contend with. In my room I do have to contend with a fair amount of light, even though I can mute it a great deal with the shutters.

My set is in a family room with a large window which has wood shutters. There is also recessed lighting in the ceiling.

Thank you all for your time and to those who have shared their settings.
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HDR has different settings. I can post mine later. At work currently. Color management is currently in the works for calman so I left color on auto for now. When in custom settings the availability of p3 vs rec 2020 is an option which does change color coordinates to a visible degree. Basically for hdr I adjusted contrast and brightness to be a middle ground setting between 1000 nit and 4000 nit content. And balances the white point via 2pt controls


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Please, could you share your settings with HDR content and the 20pt controls of white balance with SDR content???

Your SDR settings are wonderfull in my 75Q9FN!!!!

Thank U very much in advance
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Please, could you share your settings with HDR content and the 20pt controls of white balance with SDR content???



Your SDR settings are wonderfull in my 75Q9FN!!!!



Thank U very much in advance


Unfortunately I returned the set. I kept having issues with the one connect box.

The biggest recommendation I can give for hdr content to avoid blown out highlights that some of the professional reviewers talk about is to lower contrast to 43 and then bump brightness up 1. With a meter and eye-balling it, that seems to be a good balance for 1000nit and 4000nit content


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Would it be recommended for gaming to leave the picture in Movie mode and turn on auto game detection?
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I got my q9fn to match the depth, color saturation and black levels to match my oled at least 90% by using these settings for HDR and sdr movies, cable tv, netflix & amazon streaming, sdr & HDR gaming. You gotta trust me on these settings even though im not a pro. But I sat my q9fn next to my c8 and tried to get it to match the default sdr technicolor expert mode, HDR cinema, HDR & sdr game modes as close as possible. For those that love the oled look, you must try these settings. I am getting almost as good contrast without overly crushing the blacks. I tested shadow detail in a bunch of different scenes and got them really close to oled. Gamma and brightness are the two most important settings that are required to achieve close to oled level depth.

SDR Movie mode
Backlight 5-20 (if you liked oled light close at max, use 20 or go even higher for peak brightness boost
Brightness -1 (you must set it to -1 to get the depth. Higher will wash it out, lower will overly crush blacks)
Contrast 45
Sharpness 0
Color 25
Tint 0
Digital Clean View auto, low, or off (depending if you want cleaner picture with slightly less detail or vice versa )
Auto Motion plus custom (set it wherever you find it comfortable)
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma bt.1886 -2 or 0 (if you like 2.4 gamma on the lg oled or -2 on sony set it to -2 on the q9. If you liked 2.2 set it to 0)
Color Space Auto

HDR Movie mode
Backlight 50
Brightness 0
Contrast 45
Sharpness 0
Color 25
Tint 0
Digital Clean View auto, low, or off (depending if you want cleaner picture with slightly less detail or vice versa )
Auto Motion plus custom (set it wherever you find it comfortable)
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma st.2084 0
Color Space Auto

SDR Game mode
Backlight 5-20 (if you liked oled light close at max, use 20 or go even higher for peak brightness boost)
Brightness -1 (you must set it to -1 to get the depth. Higher will wash it out, lower will overly crush blacks)
Contrast 50
Sharpness 4
Color 30 (25 if you prefer less saturated)
Tint 0
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma bt.1886 0
Color Space Native (auto if you prefer less saturated)

HDR Game mode
Backlight 50
Brightness -3 (you gotta trust me on this one. HDR game mode on this tv is extremely washed out and brightness at -3 combined with the st.2084 +3 setting below matches the nice depth you get in HDR game mode on the lg c8 the closest)
Contrast 50
Sharpness 4
Color 30 (25 if you prefer less saturated)
Tint 0
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma st.2084 +3 (to even out the lowering of the brightness)
Color Space Native BT.2020 (You must first go to custom, then change from DCI-P3 to BT.2020 and then go back and put it on Native. If you like less saturated leave it on DCI-P3/auto or even less saturated at BT.2020/auto. If you leave it on default Native it will be on dci-p3 which is super saturated)

These settings are fire. Even with gaming. I get for the most part that oled look and feel with the benefits of the peak brightness for my bright room.
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Would it be recommended for gaming to leave the picture in Movie mode and turn on auto game detection?
That wont work since once the system recognizes a game/game system it will automatically go into Game Mode which is a different picture setting. You cannot use Movie, Standard, Dynamic, Normal and apply Game Mode on it. Game Mode is it's separate picture settings. If you want to game in Movie Mode, you will have the high input lag as only in Game Mode you get the low input lag.
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I got my q9fn to match the depth, color saturation and black levels to match my oled at least 90% by using these settings for HDR and sdr movies, cable tv, netflix & amazon streaming, sdr & HDR gaming. You gotta trust me on these settings even though im not a pro. But I sat my q9fn next to my c8 and tried to get it to match the default sdr technicolor expert mode, HDR cinema, HDR & sdr game modes as close as possible. For those that love the oled look, you must try these settings. I am getting almost as good contrast without overly crushing the blacks. I tested shadow detail in a bunch of different scenes and got them really close to oled. Gamma and brightness are the two most important settings that are required to achieve close to oled level depth.

SDR Movie mode
Backlight 5-20 (if you liked oled light close at max, use 20 or go even higher for peak brightness boost
Brightness -1 (you must set it to -1 to get the depth. Higher will wash it out, lower will overly crush blacks)
Contrast 45
Sharpness 0
Color 25
Tint 0
Digital Clean View auto, low, or off (depending if you want cleaner picture with slightly less detail or vice versa )
Auto Motion plus custom (set it wherever you find it comfortable)
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma bt.1886 -2 or 0 (if you like 2.4 gamma on the lg oled or -2 on sony set it to -2 on the q9. If you liked 2.2 set it to 0)
Color Space Auto

HDR Movie mode
Backlight 50
Brightness 0
Contrast 45
Sharpness 0
Color 25
Tint 0
Digital Clean View auto, low, or off (depending if you want cleaner picture with slightly less detail or vice versa )
Auto Motion plus custom (set it wherever you find it comfortable)
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma st.2084 0
Color Space Auto

SDR Game mode
Backlight 5-20 (if you liked oled light close at max, use 20 or go even higher for peak brightness boost)
Brightness -1 (you must set it to -1 to get the depth. Higher will wash it out, lower will overly crush blacks)
Contrast 50
Sharpness 4
Color 30 (25 if you prefer less saturated)
Tint 0
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma bt.1886 0
Color Space Native (auto if you prefer less saturated)

HDR Game mode
Backlight 50
Brightness -3 (you gotta trust me on this one. HDR game mode on this tv is extremely washed out and brightness at -3 combined with the st.2084 +3 setting below matches the nice depth you get in HDR game mode on the lg c8 the closest)
Contrast 50
Sharpness 4
Color 30 (25 if you prefer less saturated)
Tint 0
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma st.2084 +3 (to even out the lowering of the brightness)
Color Space Native BT.2020 (You must first go to custom, then change from DCI-P3 to BT.2020 and then go back and put it on Native. If you like less saturated leave it on DCI-P3/auto or even less saturated at BT.2020/auto. If you leave it on default Native it will be on dci-p3 which is super saturated)

These settings are fire. Even with gaming. I get for the most part that oled look and feel with the benefits of the peak brightness for my bright room.
Thank you for this! I will give these settings a try when my q9fn arrives tomorrow!
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I got my q9fn to match the depth, color saturation and black levels to match my oled at least 90% by using these settings for HDR and sdr movies, cable tv, netflix & amazon streaming, sdr & HDR gaming. You gotta trust me on these settings even though im not a pro. But I sat my q9fn next to my c8 and tried to get it to match the default sdr technicolor expert mode, HDR cinema, HDR & sdr game modes as close as possible. For those that love the oled look, you must try these settings. I am getting almost as good contrast without overly crushing the blacks. I tested shadow detail in a bunch of different scenes and got them really close to oled. Gamma and brightness are the two most important settings that are required to achieve close to oled level depth.

SDR Movie mode
Backlight 5-20 (if you liked oled light close at max, use 20 or go even higher for peak brightness boost
Brightness -1 (you must set it to -1 to get the depth. Higher will wash it out, lower will overly crush blacks)
Contrast 45
Sharpness 0
Color 25
Tint 0
Digital Clean View auto, low, or off (depending if you want cleaner picture with slightly less detail or vice versa )
Auto Motion plus custom (set it wherever you find it comfortable)
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma bt.1886 -2 or 0 (if you like 2.4 gamma on the lg oled or -2 on sony set it to -2 on the q9. If you liked 2.2 set it to 0)
Color Space Auto

HDR Movie mode
Backlight 50
Brightness 0
Contrast 45
Sharpness 0
Color 25
Tint 0
Digital Clean View auto, low, or off (depending if you want cleaner picture with slightly less detail or vice versa )
Auto Motion plus custom (set it wherever you find it comfortable)
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma st.2084 0
Color Space Auto

SDR Game mode
Backlight 5-20 (if you liked oled light close at max, use 20 or go even higher for peak brightness boost)
Brightness -1 (you must set it to -1 to get the depth. Higher will wash it out, lower will overly crush blacks)
Contrast 50
Sharpness 4
Color 30 (25 if you prefer less saturated)
Tint 0
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma bt.1886 0
Color Space Native (auto if you prefer less saturated)

HDR Game mode
Backlight 50
Brightness -3 (you gotta trust me on this one. HDR game mode on this tv is extremely washed out and brightness at -3 combined with the st.2084 +3 setting below matches the nice depth you get in HDR game mode on the lg c8 the closest)
Contrast 50
Sharpness 4
Color 30 (25 if you prefer less saturated)
Tint 0
Local Dimming High
Contrast Enhancer Off
Color Tone Warm2
Gamma st.2084 +3 (to even out the lowering of the brightness)
Color Space Native BT.2020 (You must first go to custom, then change from DCI-P3 to BT.2020 and then go back and put it on Native. If you like less saturated leave it on DCI-P3/auto or even less saturated at BT.2020/auto. If you leave it on default Native it will be on dci-p3 which is super saturated)

These settings are fire. Even with gaming. I get for the most part that oled look and feel with the benefits of the peak brightness for my bright room.

Is that for 65" or 75" ?
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Is that for 65" or 75" ?
Good question, I have the 65. I wonder if it would make a difference, maybe due to the increase in dimming zones?
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