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post #1051 of 2991 Old 11-26-2018, 02:10 PM
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Random question but is there any clear film that your suppose to peal off the screen itself I only ask bc I noticed I didn’t peal it off the bezel yet.

The way the screen is coated and reacts when you rub it you can be forgiven for thinking it might be, but no, there's no clear film on the screen itself.
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I can't speak on the 2018 models, but I do know this has been a problem since 2014 with many tvs (and not just vizio). Vizio actually went as far as to claim the issue is actually the PS4 and way it sends data over HDMI in a sometimes convoluted and fragmented way. Like it'll fall behind then catch up with a surge of data packets and on the receiving TVs end it looks like a desync, so the tv requests a new handshake. This is what causes the blackout. Something like that. Sony never actually fixed that issue and I believe when they patched it in 2015-2016 tvs vizio just told the firmware to NOT request resync when PS4 pro messes up the packets, so you'll just drop an unnoticeable frame or two instead of losing screen while it's doing a new handshake. Sadly, they left all 2014 p series 4k tvs in the dust and they never got the fix, any owner of that year basically has had to deal with random dropped pictures for the last few years with no fix in sight.

Although I don't think even that explanation ever explained why sometimes initial sync also fails, where you have to trigger a new handshake to fix it by either power cycling tv, changing input off then back on the PS4, or unplugging or replugging the HDMI cable (basically anything to cause a new handshake). Maybe that's a glitch with their fix that tells it not to handshake on crap packets, causing it to not handshake at all on initial sync if the PS4 sent malformed garbage right off the bat. 🤔

It also wouldn't explain why it's losing sync randomly as well for you on 2018 tv, which you would assume incorporates any fixes they have from earlier generations. I have no doubt their 2018 tvs should have their "fix" for handling PS4 Pro. I assume you've already verified all fundamentals, tried different HDMI cables rated for 2.0 speeds, etc?

I finally replaced my 2014 vizio with 2018 900F from sony this year, and surprise surprise a sony tv knows how to handle sony's BS from the PS4 pro. Easy to make your own tv work around your own console bugs But I will say that the sony doesn't do local dimming as well as vizio, i don't think anyone does it as well as vizio. It's only thing that's regrettable to me. However, having a TV that I know works great with PS4 pro (main use of tv) with all the bells and whistles (full bandwidth 4k + HDR with no sync issues) was critical to me. I feel your pain, I literally dealt with it for 4 years. Hopefully one of the actual 2018 owners can tell you there is a work around though. I was just sharing the technical background of issue since I spent a lot of time dealing with it.
Really appreciate the insight!

I have heard this issue also happens with other TVs, and this led me to believe that it was a handshake issue or that maybe the PS4 itself was at fault. That being said, I've read some posts on Reddit and some users there have also experienced this with other devices such as the Nvidia Shield. Currently I can make due with port 4 as it appears to work fine with the PS4 thus far, but I am worried that down the line the issue will spread from this port and I'd be left not being able to play on 4K with HDR.

I've tried many of the troubleshooting steps people have suggested (including new cables) except for turning off HDCP on the PS4 itself. People have said that this resolves the issues, but I've yet to try it. If this is the case, I'd be a bit more comfortable keeping the TV as this could be potentially be fixed with a software update (be it firmware from Vizio, or an update from Sony).

I was considering the TCL 6 Series but the 120hz panel plus superior FALD on the Vizio in the end is what caused me to pull the trigger on the P55. FALD is a huge deal to me as I love the deep blacks and the overall picture on the P55, especially when watching Dolby Vision content, but I am super hesitant to keep the TV now that you mention the 2014 Vizios had the same issue and it's still happening with the 2018 models.

Unrelated to the issue I initially mentioned, but I've also been experiencing "halo" effects with HDR/DV on the P55. This is especially noticeable with subtitles on a dark scene. After watching the Rtings videos, it seems like this isn't as apparent on the TCL, so this is something else I am considering if I do end up returning the P55 for the TCL.
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Does the update address the intermittent flashing white lines?


Has this issue been addressed yet? I reread posts but have not found anything...

I'm on my second 55 P-F1 and started noticing the same thing. U31 build date.
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Im hoping the Vizio P65-F1 will be bright enough for satisfying playback of source material mastered at 4000 Nits. Im thinking I should have gone for the P Series Quantum. Gonna pick up the set tomorrow and set it up.

Im not sure if this is gonna fit on my brother's current TV stand. He has the Carson 50" stand which is 47" Wide and and 16" Deep.

Does anybody have a measurement of the feet width from side to side on the P65-F1?

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Im hoping the Vizio P65-F1 will be bright enough for satisfying playback of source material mastered at 4000 Nits. Im thinking I should have gone for the P Series Quantum. Gonna pick up the set tomorrow and set it up.

Im not sure if this is gonna fit on my brother's current TV stand. I have the Carson 50" stand which is 47" Wide and and 16" Deep.

Does anybody have a measurement of the feet widtch from side to side on the P65-F1?
I believe you need > 51" width of that stand.
or go for vesa mount solution someone posted earlier (I guess the cost is $20 or so at amazon)
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I believe you need > 51" width of that stand.
or go for vesa mount solution someone posted earlier (I guess the cost is $20 or so at amazon)
Thank you. I guess Ill be looking for another stand solution. A dual stud swivel wall mount may be just the ticket.

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Man, I really want to order a P65-F1 from Best Buy... and I don't know if I'm just being overly paranoid or overthinking this, as I know this thread is only a minority of people owning the TV, but there seems to be quite a few issues with this TV from what I've been reading so far. I don't want to deal with any hassles like returns, replacements, etc. I know sometimes it's inevitable and just depends on luck, but still, are people who post here only posting with issues? Anyone here who owned this set not experience any issues? Any honest recommendations regarding purchasing this TV?
I have a P65-F1 purchased the very first week the TV was on the market. I got it for the World Cup. My TV has had no issues. I don't use the stock apps as I have an Apple TV 4K but when I have used the stock apps to help people troubleshoot my TV has worked without issue. Honestly it's an awesome TV. I got it for $1099. With the current sale price it's a no brainer. Stop reading this forum and buy it. Don't miss out. For the money this TV cannot be beat

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So HDR YouTube works when casting from your IPAD bc for me it doesn’t play HDR YouTube unless I use the TVs app manually to start the video
I can cast from my Android phones to the TV in 4K HDR on YouTube. I haven't tried my iPad but I'll give it a try tomorrow and report back.

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Thank you. I guess Ill be looking for another stand solution. A dual stud swivel wall mount may be just the ticket.
You don't necessarily have to go the wall mount route. Something like this should work

VIVO Universal LCD Flat Screen TV Table Top VESA Mount Stand Black | Base fits 22" to 65" (STAND-TV00Y) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N0VNIA9..._Mul.BbFEEQESG

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After a few bad panels on a P65 last year (DSE), decided to try my luck at the panel lotto one more time and actually came up with a pretty decent unit.

P75-F1!

Its on the floor now, when I mount it tomorrow I hope the different viewing angle does not expose any deficiencies. If it looks good then I'll keep it.
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Just purchased a P65-F1 last Saturday. My issue with it so far is that I cannot enable Full UHD on any input. When I go to the menu, they are grayed out for each one of them. Has anyone else heard of such an issue? I have scoured the internet and haven't really found anything of any substance. Thanks for any help
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Just purchased a P65-F1 last Saturday. My issue with it so far is that I cannot enable Full UHD on any input. When I go to the menu, they are grayed out for each one of them. Has anyone else heard of such an issue? I have scoured the internet and haven't really found anything of any substance. Thanks for any help


Try a power cycle or factory reset but I believe you can only activate it when you have a video signal going through the input


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Just purchased a P65-F1 last Saturday. My issue with it so far is that I cannot enable Full UHD on any input. When I go to the menu, they are grayed out for each one of them. Has anyone else heard of such an issue? I have scoured the internet and haven't really found anything of any substance. Thanks for any help
You need to have the console or whatever system you're trying to use powered on and connected. It will remain grayed out until a signal is sent to the TV.
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I just purchased a new Vizio P65-F1 to upgrade my existing Visio P502 set with. I swapped the TVs and kept the same cabling in place.

Connection pattern is as follows.
Media sources —> Yamaha TSR<—— HDMI Output1 ——->P65-F1 (HMDI 1 ARC)

The Yamaha is NOT recognized under CEC Discovery on the Vizio TV.

I have already tried the power trick as well as factory reset. I have verified CEC/ARC is configured properly on the Yamaha.

P65-F1 (FW 1.1.14.1) and Yamaha TSR-7810 (FW 2.60)

Any suggestions on fixes?
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i have the same problem with a Denon AVR-1911 but for now I attribute it to the old receiver rather than the TV. Also, when using wifi for HDR content, I only get stereo audio and not 5.1 out of the Denon, it doesn’t support the newer Dolby Digital format with the HDMI ARC port.
I tried a cheap sound bar it would turn on but not off..Returned the sound bar, seems to be issue with the tv
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You need to have the console or whatever system you're trying to use powered on and connected. It will remain grayed out until a signal is sent to the TV.

I have my Denon AVR-S270W hooked up to HDMI-1. When I first hooked it all up, it recognized it and displayed its name in the input list. Now it does not. I have my Xbox One S and my Roku stick plugged into the AVR, but still nothing shows up . Ill try the factory reset someone else suggested.
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My P65-F1 just started flashing a white horizontal line every 3-5 minutes. Netflix via Smartcast, so not a cable issue. Happens even if content is paused. Was fine for months.

I've scanned this thread but didn't see any a solution. Is there one (besides calling it in)?
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I just purchased a new Vizio P65-F1 to upgrade my existing Visio P502 set with. I swapped the TVs and kept the same cabling in place.

Connection pattern is as follows.
Media sources —> Yamaha TSR<—— HDMI Output1 ——->P65-F1 (HMDI 1 ARC)

The Yamaha is NOT recognized under CEC Discovery on the Vizio TV.

I have already tried the power trick as well as factory reset. I have verified CEC/ARC is configured properly on the Yamaha.

P65-F1 (FW 1.1.14.1) and Yamaha TSR-7810 (FW 2.60)

Any suggestions on fixes?
You need new HDMI cables. This TV is very picky about the cables. The first thing I did when I bought the TV was order new cables. I haven't had any issues. CEC and ARC work perfect with my older Onkyo receiver and all my devices. I can control everything with my Apple TV remote or the TVs remote.

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My P65-F1 just started flashing a white horizontal line every 3-5 minutes. Netflix via Smartcast, so not a cable issue. Happens even if content is paused. Was fine for months.



I've scanned this thread but didn't see any a solution. Is there one (besides calling it in)?


Call it in could be hardware related. Did you factory reset the tv yet?


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You need new HDMI cables. This TV is very picky about the cables. The first thing I did when I bought the TV was order new cables. I haven't had any issues. CEC and ARC work perfect with my older Onkyo receiver and all my devices. I can control everything with my Apple TV remote or the TVs remote.

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I was using the 10' Amazon High-Speed HDMI cables that worked just fine with my Vizio 50" 4k (non-HDR) TV in terms of CEC/ARC/etc.

I switched it out to a 6' Monoprice cable, CEC worked fine.

VERY strange and it does appear to be REAL touchy.
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My P65-F1 just started flashing a white horizontal line every 3-5 minutes. Netflix via Smartcast, so not a cable issue. Happens even if content is paused. Was fine for months.

I've scanned this thread but didn't see any a solution. Is there one (besides calling it in)?
I had this problem on my first P55-F1. I took it back and got a TCL, then had issues with that and got a Samsung. Had problems with that and now back in my second P55-F1. I noticed the white lines a few days ago. When I unboxed it, it installed the latest firmware and just rolled with it. I read here to do a factory reset after firmware update. I did a factory reset yesterday on it and I haven't noticed it since (about 6 hours of use). I'll keep an eye out for it. But if I continue to see the white lines I'll take it back to BB or call it in to Vizio.
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Anyone notice Black/Extreme Shadow areas in Dolby Vision have a weird inky-purple look?

I picked up a P65-F1 from BB during Black Friday and have been generally quite impressed with its performance, brightness, local dimming, and over all performance improvements over my previous P55-C1. I've gone through the last 30+ pages of posts or so and have been keen to look out for hardware defects with DSE, Random shutoffs, etc. So far everything is performing quite good so that s a win.

First thing I did after setting it up last weekend after loading the current firmware was run some Marco Polo through the Built in Nextflix app.

I noticed in very dark scenes where there are areas that are almost blacker-then-black, there were portions of the picture had this odd inky-purple sheen to it. Fidling with black detail didn't effect this part of the image (though raising it up to max it would show what looked like high iso noise in shadow parts).

The only way i could get it to go away was to drop by brightness down to 46 or so, but by then it looked a tad black crashed.



I've only noticed this in Dolby Vision videos however, HDR10 video from a PS4Pro or YouTube look great, same with SDR content.
I'll grab some photos of this happening tonight.
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I have my Denon AVR-S270W hooked up to HDMI-1. When I first hooked it all up, it recognized it and displayed its name in the input list. Now it does not. I have my Xbox One S and my Roku stick plugged into the AVR, but still nothing shows up . Ill try the factory reset someone else suggested.
I have a denon AVR-1911 and like you, everything worked fine. I just switched cable companies today after having powered everything down, put in the new cablebox (by cable installer), and powered everything back up. Cablebox hdmi goes through the Denon as before and using hdmi port 1 with ARC, so a basic box swap. Now, the tv remote volume control indicates speaker off, was showing system audio. Turning off the tv no longer turns off the Denon. Like you, hdmi on tv was showing AVR-1911, now just hdmi-1. Everything in the tv menu is the same, same with the Denon. Same hdmi cables rated at 18Gbs. Power strip was turned off so it did a cold start. I guess later tonight I’ll try a factory resete on the TV.
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Anyone notice Black/Extreme Shadow areas in Dolby Vision have a weird inky-purple look?

I picked up a P65-F1 from BB during Black Friday and have been generally quite impressed with its performance, brightness, local dimming, and over all performance improvements over my previous P55-C1. I've gone through the last 30+ pages of posts or so and have been keen to look out for hardware defects with DSE, Random shutoffs, etc. So far everything is performing quite good so that s a win.

First thing I did after setting it up last weekend after loading the current firmware was run some Marco Polo through the Built in Nextflix app.

I noticed in very dark scenes where there are areas that are almost blacker-then-black, there were portions of the picture had this odd inky-purple sheen to it. Fidling with black detail didn't effect this part of the image (though raising it up to max it would show what looked like high iso noise in shadow parts).

The only way i could get it to go away was to drop by brightness down to 46 or so, but by then it looked a tad black crashed.



I've only noticed this in Dolby Vision videos however, HDR10 video from a PS4Pro or YouTube look great, same with SDR content.
I'll grab some photos of this happening tonight.
Unfortunately, I have seen the same thing on my Vizio P65-F1, especially in Jack Ryan on Amazon Video and The Good Cop on Netflix, both in Dolby Vision. It is mentioned in this review:
https://hdgear.highdefdigest.com/643...khdruhdtv.html

I'm guessing some of the dynamic tonemapping is incorrectly applying a hue to some black levels. Good news is that Vizio has said that they are going to implement the new Dolby Vision "low latency" profile for Xbox One S/X, specifically to support Netflix Dolby Vision and maybe UHD BluRay as well, so there is a possibility they will fix it when they do so.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...nd-lg-respond/

Also good news is that HDR 10 appears to be unaffected. Bad news is that this has been happening to me practically since I got the set. Viewing The Good Cop or Jack Ryan on my P50-C1 does not show this behavior.

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Are you guys aware of the odd blue/purple shadows in Dolby Vision? It's really distracting, some shadows will look fine and others will just be visibly colored, almost like black levels on a TN panel when viewed from an extreme angle.

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...almost like black levels on a TN panel when viewed from an extreme angle.
Thats exactly the kind of weird inky blue/purple color I was seeing, I literally thought of the same off-angle TN distortion effect when I saw it.

Good to know Vizio is aware and on it, one thing I've really appreciated about Vizio over the past 5 years of ownership (with my two M32 A1 and B1, the P55-C1, and now the P65-F1) is they are pretty dang good about firmware updates, software processing improvements, and even adding of new features and apps. Its great to see a TV you invest in grow in features and functionality as time goes on.
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Active Full Array issue

I bought a P55-F1 from BestBuy this past week and I'm getting weird dimming issues when Active Full Array is turned on, usually on the bottom of the screen. It's as if for a half second the TV doesn't know if it should darken or dim the image and it shows up as a darker gradient.

Tested with PS4 Pro game and Netflix, and tested with SmartCast Netflix. Replicated perfectly.

I'm assuming this isn't normal. What should I do?
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Anyone notice Black/Extreme Shadow areas in Dolby Vision have a weird inky-purple look?

I picked up a P65-F1 from BB during Black Friday and have been generally quite impressed with its performance, brightness, local dimming, and over all performance improvements over my previous P55-C1. I've gone through the last 30+ pages of posts or so and have been keen to look out for hardware defects with DSE, Random shutoffs, etc. So far everything is performing quite good so that s a win.

First thing I did after setting it up last weekend after loading the current firmware was run some Marco Polo through the Built in Nextflix app.

I noticed in very dark scenes where there are areas that are almost blacker-then-black, there were portions of the picture had this odd inky-purple sheen to it. Fidling with black detail didn't effect this part of the image (though raising it up to max it would show what looked like high iso noise in shadow parts).

The only way i could get it to go away was to drop by brightness down to 46 or so, but by then it looked a tad black crashed.



I've only noticed this in Dolby Vision videos however, HDR10 video from a PS4Pro or YouTube look great, same with SDR content.
I'll grab some photos of this happening tonight.
I picked up my P65-F1 from Best Buy today and set it up at my brothers. I noticed this too but only on Marco Polo Season 1: Episode 1 Dolby Vision. It wasnt everywhere but only in certain scenes. Ill be doing more testing on Sunday. I didnt see any serious uniformity issues on my set. I ran a torture test opening scene of Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Sand Storm) and there may be some minor banding. Ill bring the Master and Commander DVD with me on Sunday and do some more testing for Banding, DSE, and whatever these "jail bars" that people are talking about.

My brother noticed minor blooming in Calibrated mode without me naming it and pointing it out. Calibrated Dark seems to be the way to go, in most instances.

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Anyone notice Black/Extreme Shadow areas in Dolby Vision have a weird inky-purple look?

I picked up a P65-F1 from BB during Black Friday and have been generally quite impressed with its performance, brightness, local dimming, and over all performance improvements over my previous P55-C1. I've gone through the last 30+ pages of posts or so and have been keen to look out for hardware defects with DSE, Random shutoffs, etc. So far everything is performing quite good so that s a win.

First thing I did after setting it up last weekend after loading the current firmware was run some Marco Polo through the Built in Nextflix app.

I noticed in very dark scenes where there are areas that are almost blacker-then-black, there were portions of the picture had this odd inky-purple sheen to it. Fidling with black detail didn't effect this part of the image (though raising it up to max it would show what looked like high iso noise in shadow parts).

The only way i could get it to go away was to drop by brightness down to 46 or so, but by then it looked a tad black crashed.



I've only noticed this in Dolby Vision videos however, HDR10 video from a PS4Pro or YouTube look great, same with SDR content.
I'll grab some photos of this happening tonight.
I’ve noticed this too when watching Dolby vision content on Netflix. Hope there’s a fix for this because it is very noticeable to me.
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I’ve noticed this too when watching Dolby vision content on Netflix. Hope there’s a fix for this because it is very noticeable to me.
Is this all through the native Netflix app? I haven't noticed this at all watching Netflix via Apple TV 4K. Any specific scene in Marco Polo? I can try to replicate on my TV

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Is this all through the native Netflix app? I haven't noticed this at all watching Netflix via Apple TV 4K. Any specific scene in Marco Polo? I can try to replicate on my TV

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These were taken from Season 1, Ep6. Native Netflix app. (btw, still can't get 4K or HDR to work on Amazon either...)
Basically scenes that have sharp contrast. Think interior with bright windows. Look at peoples black hair or dark uniforms which can end up going from a dark black --> into a blueish purple hue. Sort of like light bleed through a black screen, or the off angle TN effect you get on old LCDs.

Obviously its difficult to show true HDR effect through a small iPhone 6S sensor with HDR mode on the phone, but it gets the idea across of what to look for. Look for places where it goes from what should be black to DARKER then black, and you'll see this subtle effect.

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