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I do see a thick vertical line on the shot of the ocean on the top right tv
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Input lag on the Z9F may not be as quick as the Q9FN but it’s still fast. The fact that 1080p doesn’t take a hit is a major selling point for gamers like me, too.

Even if a game on the Xbox One X is not rendered in 4k, the console will upscale and output in 4k, as is the case with the PS4 Pro. The lower input lag of the Z9F for 1080p is certainly beneficial, but not critical if you are gaming mostly on consoles that output in 4k. My x930e has roughly the same input lag as the Z9D and I actually haven't played a single game on it yet that was not upscaled to 4k by the PS4 Pro.
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I do see a thick vertical line on the shot of the ocean on the top right tv
Thank you for mentioning this. I want to say that I think the line you see is a shadow effect from a 75" Samsung OLED (oops! LG) display hanging in the corner, right next to the Z9F. It's perpendicular to the Z9F, as seen in the last image, and it's mounted at almost the same height as the Z9F. I say this because other images don't show this darkened area taken from a slightly different angle. But it may also indicate a dimming issue with the set. I will have return to the store and check this again. Thanks!

PS... the store lights can be seen on the TV in the bottom left
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One other thing I want to mention that stood out to me while watching this particular movie, that does not show up in the images I posted, is the noise in the bright sky scenes. All the sets seem to have trouble with it, except the Z9F. It was solid all the time.

And I'm not talking about battle noise. ha-ha.
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I finally watched some HDR game footage on the Z9F, specifically Battlefront 2, Gears 4 and Battlefield 1. Ive never seen such intense HDR! I didnt noticed any issues with contrast regarding gaming. My only concern is that the Z9F is too bright for a dark room, lol.
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Real-world reports continue to impress me and make me think I'll be ordering one of these when they become available (hoping it's okay to post here as while I'm not yet an owner, I'm a serious prospective buyer).
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For the people that say the XF900 does better / performs similar to the ZF9:


55XF900


65ZF9

The pictures above are overexposed to clearly show the effect. Its not that bad in reality (Source dutch site: https://www.homecinemamagazine.nl)
I can imagine the 75" doing a lot better with its 288 zones vs 104.
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So I’ve been experimenting with the HUE Play lights that I received on Monday. I started a separate thread and have posted a few pics. There’s definitely benefit using these with the Z9F. A little bias light goes a long way for 2 reasons. 1. Adding a little backlight ambient makes the intense HDR a little less startling on your eyes. 2. Any perception of flashlighting in the cinema bars is significantly diminished in low APL scenes. I used these for 2 evenings now and I’m definitely going to keep them.

There is no present way to dynamically vary the light intensity with scene luminance (unless you’re driving your content from a PC which can run the HUE sync app). What I’m choosing to do is to set the lights up about 5% from the lowest setting. At this level, they’re only perceptible at the lowest APL scenes. I think ideally, you’d use these at nearly the lowest setting for low APL and boost to about 5% for everything else. It would be great if at some point those could be integrated with some type of remote photo-sensor where you could set a threshold range based on screen output (at a specific color temp).

I can’t really comment on this vs other solutions other than to say that the ability to tune your color allows for you to compensate for your room influences. Also, the color is simply a fun way to add some dynamics to your room ambiance. I’ll probably use the color for sports and entertaining.

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For the people that say the XF900 does better / performs similar to the ZF9:


55XF900


65ZF9

The pictures above are overexposed to clearly show the effect. Its not that bad in reality (Source dutch site: https://www.homecinemamagazine.nl)
I can imagine the 75" doing a lot better with its 288 zones vs 104.
I’m a 75 owner and I’ll simply add that the dimming on mine is exceptional. Gravity may be one of the best ways to test for dimming and bloom performance. It’s really great. I’m finding I like black level set to about 47-48 on this display. I think 50 is just is a bit elevated IMO.
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I have to say after being chastised here for being critical on this set I am warming to it now after having seen it in person and am actually seriously contemplating buying the 75" now.

Thomas is the only one who has given an in depth review of the 75". I would rather wait for more owners to post reviews and actually be able to see the 75" on display before pulling the trigger.

I too am looking at bias lighting. My preference would be a dim grey 6500k constant light for night time viewing. I think that would go a long way to addressing fears I would have on elevated black bars when watching movies at night. Based on where I live the Z9F costs almost half a Q9FN for the 75" size and I think there are many things this set does better than that set. All else being equal I would have gone for a 77C8 but it would be more than double the cost of a Z9F.

Yes I am not an owner but serious potential buyer too. I can't wait to see a 75" properly and eagerly awaiting Vincent Teoh's review too.
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I have to say after being chastised here for being critical on this set I am warming to it now after having seen it in person and am actually seriously contemplating buying the 75" now.

Thomas is the only one who has given an in depth review of the 75". I would rather wait for more owners to post reviews and actually be able to see the 75" on display before pulling the trigger.

I too am looking at bias lighting. My preference would be a dim grey 6500k constant light for night time viewing. I think that would go a long way to addressing fears I would have on elevated black bars when watching movies at night. Based on where I live the Z9F costs almost half a Q9FN for the 75" size and I think there are many things this set does better than that set. All else being equal I would have gone for a 77C8 but it would be more than double the cost of a Z9F.

Yes I am not an owner but serious potential buyer too. I can't wait to see a 75" properly and eagerly awaiting Vincent Teoh's review too.
I suggest you also consider the Ideal-Lume bias lighting by Cinemaquest (https://www.cinemaquestinc.com/ideal_lume.htm). The lamps are 6500K white with an adjustable baffle to control the lighting intensity.
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I’m a 75 owner and I’ll simply add that the dimming on mine is exceptional. Gravity may be one of the best ways to test for dimming and bloom performance. It’s really great. I’m finding I like black level set to about 47-48 on this display. I think 50 is just is a bit elevated IMO.
Same here. After the DV update on my 940E im now using black level 49 and sometimes 47 (depending on the content). Never needed that before but ok this works to get the blacks black again.

I might try a Hue light still got two E27 lights to make a test setup. If it works well i can mount those or get Hue Play. For the current implementation that Sony used after DV updates it might be the trick to make the bars look more black. (to bad its a downgrade for the 940E in that regard. Never needed things like that when the TV was new with older firmware. Black bars where not that active)

But since to many people and the press are complaining about the black bars i think sony will try to fix this in the future. If they can fix that the Sony FALD LCD tv's will be Phenomenal.
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Like my zd9 when apps load the local dimming is off no matter what the menu says. It's observed almost 3 years now in all Sony with android.
I wish they would fix that already
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Well it's more psychological than a real problem.
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Like my zd9 when apps load the local dimming is off no matter what the menu says. It's observed almost 3 years now in all Sony with android.
I certainly agree that it looks like LD is off when the app is loading, but I am not understanding why it is not reflected in the menu.

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Why? Should we really care what the loading screen looks like, as long as playing content looks OK? The only real issue is when people who don't understand this behavior get excited that their display isn't performing properly. Other than that, who cares?
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From what i feel maybe and i say maybe when an app is loading some things go off as matter processing like LD and they go on when the app is fully loaded and Sony does that to speed app launching by freeing memory or processing power.
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I certainly agree that it looks like LD is off when the app is loading, but I am not understanding why it is not reflected in the menu.



Why? Should we really care what the loading screen looks like, as long as playing content looks OK? The only real issue is when people who don't understand this behavior get excited that their display isn't performing properly. Other than that, who cares?
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From what i feel maybe and i say maybe when an app is loading some things go off as matter processing like LD and they go on when the app is fully loaded and Sony does that to speed app launching by freeing memory or processing power.
Maybe. But can we all agree that the video quality of start-up screens is not representative of the overall performance of the display, and should not be used as examples of something wrong with the display?
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Maybe. But can we all agree that the video quality of start-up screens is not representative of the overall performance of the display, and should not be used as examples of something wrong with the display?
Only if it fits our agenda.
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As dire straits would say, "I want my new TV". Been waiting for 2 months on the 75 z9f, but actually waiting for 2 years for a TV with these features.
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Thomas could you paste your settings for bright and dark environment please? Or point me to post if you already did. Thanks.
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Thomas could you paste your settings for bright and dark environment please? Or point me to post if you already did. Thanks.
Dark Room: SDR adjustments to Cinema/Custom

Picture Mode: Cinema or custom

Brightness 5 = 120nits (I use this most)
Brightness 8 = 160nits

Turn off the auto brightness adjustment

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Increases brightness to taste.
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Use Xtended Dynamic Range to add some punch
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Dark Room: SDR adjustments to Cinema/Custom

Picture Mode: Cinema or custom

Brightness 5 = 120nits (I use this most)
Brightness 8 = 160nits

Turn off the auto brightness adjustment

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Thank you.
So have you bought one of these? If so, which size?

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I certainly agree that it looks like LD is off when the app is loading, but I am not understanding why it is not reflected in the menu.



Why? Should we really care what the loading screen looks like, as long as playing content looks OK? The only real issue is when people who don't understand this behavior get excited that their display isn't performing properly. Other than that, who cares?
Sometimes i get the idea that app overlay menu's also disable the LD in that section but im not sure. There is quite some blooming when the netflix bar's popup but they are white/grey transparent not really ideal for LD i guess.

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So have you bought one of these? If so, which size?
I am in Europe, ZF9 75" tomorrow. I upgrading from 2011 Sony Bravia KDL-40W4000 Bright living room.
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Getting closer to certain vendors supposedly getting their belated shipments of 75” Z9F’s. Fingers crossed for those waiting.

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I am in Europe, ZF9 75" tomorrow. I upgrading from 2011 Sony Bravia KDL-40W4000 Bright living room.
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The no local dimming thing on app screens is annoying yes. Also during bootup the Android animation first starts out with LD enabled and it’s got the nice inky blacks, then it turns LD off while the set finishes booting - that’s especially annoying, lol.
It’s a SONY thing. The worst is the Amazon and Netflix loading screens.
Luckily I spend most of my time running of the HTPC and Kodis menus, disc covers etc look gorgeous.
I have this bad feeling my local Magnolia is going to get a 65 hung up and not a 75. I need to swing in there to persuade them. Need to see the 75.

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I Finally got some good time in at a Sony event to check out this and the A9F and came away very impressed with the Z9F. They still say the Z9D is brighter but the Z9F was much stronger than i thought it would be. Great depth to the image and just looks fantastic even with challenging content like Ozark on Netflix. Saw such little issues with blooming it wouldn't even bother me but it had such control of the image in it's "Netflix mode" that it more than impressed the crowd.

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