Originally Posted by sgupta
Welp, folks, I just took the plunge! With any luck, my new 75" Z9F will be here February 28th!
As a previous post indicated, I had considered waiting to find out more about the new-generation Samsung TVs, but after some research, a few things became apparent: no Dolby Vision support, which is a big one for me as a lot of content I watch is available for it; the Q900 is NOT getting stuff like the wide-viewing angle, which I didn't initially realize - that seems to be only coming with the Q950R, and pricing isn't even available on that yet; I don't anticipate needing 8K anytime soon; DSE, black crush, and other issues are known with the previous generation Samsungs, so if I did wait, I'd probably need to wait several MORE months from release to see what these issues are like on the new model (not to mention find out if any new ones are introduced by their own wide-angle-viewing layer). That's not to mention price, as it hasn't been revealed for the Q950R yet (and the Q900 is already more than 1K more than the Z9F),
At the end of the day, for anyone on the fence, what sold me on the Z9F was:
- The great reputation of the Z9D and how well it's held up, so I expect the Z9F should have similar performance.
- The emphasis on low input lag for video games.
- No burn-in, as burn-in issues have absolutely killed OLED for me and I unfortunately would not buy OLED again for this reason. (MicroLED looks like the next promising tech so far, but that's still a ways off.) I'll be so stoked to not have to worry about game HUD's or network logos/chirons if they've been on-screen for a while.
- No black crush (as given the choice between bloom or crush, I'd rather the bloom).
- I plan to use a backlight, so that should minimize black bar issues.
- All of you owners, who seem really happy with the TV!
- It's easy to get trapped waiting; I might as well get something with all of the features I want now. Something new will always be around the corner.
I've also decided to give Phillips Hue Play a try for backlighting. Was going to go Luminoodle but the track placement might be difficult with the detachable panels, and Hue Play looks kind of neat, plus will hopefully cover me for future TV's. Will still consider Luminoodle if for some reason I'm unhappy with Hue.
Anyways, guess I'm officially in this club now. =oP Besides the technology updates, this is also a 10" upsize for me! I'll post some impressions once I get it!
I have owend the Q900 before settling on the ZF9 and the deciding factors are as follows:
- Price, I got mine to for roughly 60% of the Q900 but with a performance on par.
- Image accuracy. While the Q900 has a much better handle on black crush than the Q9FN it still inaccurately overly darkens regions in an image in an attempt to combat blooming and stay black. I as you prefer an accurate image and some blooming over crush or aggressive dimming.
- Viewing angles, this was a bigger deal than I thought once I got to experienced it in person. I had been really annoyed with the Q9FN that darker parts of the image, like in a dungeon or driving at night in games, had visibly raised gamma to the outer edges of the screen. Q900 were better at this but still not as good as the ZF9. Although to be fair I've heard the Q950 should do an even better job than Q900 while almost completely avoiding blooming.
- Motion and Image duplication, this was one of the biggest reasons I couldn't stand the Samsungs, they always flicker the backlight at 120hz in all modes but movie (480hz) regardless of the sources frame rate and this leads to a game of 60fps double exposing each frame 2 times and at 30fps 4 times, it's really annoying seeing every edge and thin detail getting duplicated while moving across the screen. Sony on the other hand always flickers at 720hz and the number of duplicates are so many they blend together instead, it works out really well.
- Noisy fan with a high pitched tone to it, the Q900 had to me a quite audible cooling fan in the TV housing in my very quiet room during evenings/nights. This was another of the deal breakers to me.
-Upscaling. The Q900 looked pretty good with it's upscaling scaling algorithm but the ZF9 have the best one for games and graphics in Game and Graphics mode. It retains the sharpness of individuals pixels and doesn't smooth/interpolate pixels they way it does in eg Cinema mode.
-Input lag, with 21ms of input lag there isn't much to complain about, while the Q900 does indeed manage 16ms and I could "feel" a slight difference of how responsive gaming felt and the impression of inertia/weight things has due to the lag was ever so slightly lower, 21ms is still great.
- Color Spaces, the third deal breaker for me was that no Samsung TV I've tested to date can do sRGB + Chroma 4:4:4 at the same time, making text a pain to read in Windows when browsing forums, they simply are a very poor choice as a monitor. And finally, this is a big one that no reviewer ever mentions, in PC mode all Samsung TV's I've tested are locked to the TV's "Native" Color Space, this on the Q-series with it's greatly expanded color gamut results in all colors being overly saturated, you simply can't use the PC mode for any kind of accurate image viewing and your eyes will grow fatigued after a while as well. But while it can display proper sRGB in other modes you are relegated to Chroma 4:2:2 which is no good for graphics.
- Color accuracy is much better on Sony, while Samsung may look pretty and attractive in many situations, there were many instances where colors were off and I could immediately see a difference when I started using ZF9.
- HDR, ZF9 does a VERY good job, it's one of the best on the market and can look jaw dropping. I also think ZF9 may be better than Q9FN with the exception that it cant quite renders very small details with the same intensity and Q900 does deliver noticeable higher peak luminance. But for the price I paid and not having to deal with the noisy fan I'm more than happy with this its HDR.
- I also like the fact you can get to relevant image setting much quicker on Sony UI than on Samsung.
All in all Sony beats Samsung in regards to image accuracy/quality and on price performance when compared to Q900 in my opinion. And while I expect most consumer and most professional reviewers to be wowed by Samsung 2019 QLED lineup with their improved viewing angles and such, they often miss their poor backlight flicker implementation resulting in image duplication and thus completely negating their outspoken focus on gamers and impressive low input lag. But I guess that it's to be expected as most reviewers are movie aficionados and are lacking the interest and knowledge of a critical gamer as these issues rarely crop up while watching movies in movie mode.