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I wanted to post that I had an opportunity to see a Z9F directly next to an late model OLED very recently. There is no denying that the accuracy of the shadows, relative to detail and gradation, are much better on the Z9F. Yes, black was blacker on the OLED but the shadow-end reproduction on the OLED I examined looked grainy and the image lacked smooth gradation in the deep shadow tones. Perhaps that can be improved w calibration but OTB certainly was not impressive.

This is an outstanding set for theatrical reference reproduction and I think we can all be certain that our blacks are better than the best projection can offer.

That’s what I’ve got. I’m spending less time here because of all the negativity on AVS. I literally cannot stand it. I’m glad we’ve collectively kept the trolls out of our thread for the most part. Unfortunately Sony’s lost the PR battle with the Z so I’m sure they’re plotting their next move.

I for one will not be buying any television from any manufacturer that will not provide long-term burn-in protection (no matter how great the picture is). The Z9F is not a perfect display and it should be less expensive but it’s clearly the best LCD that money can buy for multi-purpose use. Between the improvements to uniformity and viewing angle, Sony produced a set that solved 2 of the biggest issues with LCD’s and we’ve all been witness to the sideshow that commenced as a result. Shame on the professional “reviewers” for downplaying the OLED issues and propping up these organic displays without more emphasis. Seems like they’re simply pandering to the checkbook/boutique crowd and sending the totally false perception that any LCD is basically a Walmart/Costco display. NOT THE CASE.

Kudos to some in the thread (with similar backgrounds to mine) that shoot straight on this set (caveats included). It’s a sad reality that we have to rely on guys like VT on Youtube and their biased reviews vs being able to go to our local HT retailer and give these displays a good audition. Unfortunately, those days are gone. We’re stuck with BB and their purchasing department’s flavor of the month. Instead, we sit around and wait for a few guys to “bless” a display less we get roasted here on our favorite forum.
I couldn't have said it any better. I use to enjoy posting in AVS but now I have digressed. I'm rewatching my collection and most recently watching the Harry Potter series for the first time. I'm blown away at what this set can do. I too have seen this along side the best OLEDs and I am not disappointed in my decision and unless OLED can produce the same color volume filled 1500 plus nit image brilliance and shadow detail quality this TV produces, I will never own one.
It's hilarious what the industry does to tech..... The same tech dubs that pushed away Plasma are now at it again.
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I wanted to post that I had an opportunity to see a Z9F directly next to an late model OLED very recently. There is no denying that the accuracy of the shadows, relative to detail and gradation, are much better on the Z9F. Yes, black was blacker on the OLED but the shadow-end reproduction on the OLED I examined looked grainy and the image lacked smooth gradation in the deep shadow tones. Perhaps that can be improved w calibration but OTB certainly was not impressive.

This is an outstanding set for theatrical reference reproduction and I think we can all be certain that our blacks are better than the best projection can offer.

That’s what I’ve got. I’m spending less time here because of all the negativity on AVS. I literally cannot stand it. I’m glad we’ve collectively kept the trolls out of our thread for the most part. Unfortunately Sony’s lost the PR battle with the Z so I’m sure they’re plotting their next move.

I for one will not be buying any television from any manufacturer that will not provide long-term burn-in protection (no matter how great the picture is). The Z9F is not a perfect display and it should be less expensive but it’s clearly the best LCD that money can buy for multi-purpose use. Between the improvements to uniformity and viewing angle, Sony produced a set that solved 2 of the biggest issues with LCD’s and we’ve all been witness to the sideshow that commenced as a result. Shame on the professional “reviewers” for downplaying the OLED issues and propping up these organic displays without more emphasis. Seems like they’re simply pandering to the checkbook/boutique crowd and sending the totally false perception that any LCD is basically a Walmart/Costco display. NOT THE CASE.

Kudos to some in the thread (with similar backgrounds to mine) that shoot straight on this set (caveats included). It’s a sad reality that we have to rely on guys like VT on Youtube and their biased reviews vs being able to go to our local HT retailer and give these displays a good audition. Unfortunately, those days are gone. We’re stuck with BB and their purchasing department’s flavor of the month. Instead, we sit around and wait for a few guys to “bless” a display less we get roasted here on our favorite forum.
WORD. Vincent Toh and the AVS mob have destroyed the reputation of the Z9F without offering a better LCD alternative. I love this set and am blown away viewing great source material. It's not an issue of me defending a product I own because I could have returned the set and purched "the better alternative".
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Well my little brother with x-wide 75X950G comes tomorrow which is also completely bashed around these parts. I wanted the Z9F but couldn't justify the price for my secondary TV. It is crazy what is going on in Europe WRT the Z9F vs. x950G and pricing...not sure what the heck Sony is doing over there (or here for that matter).

Best Buy doesn't help the Z9F either...my store has it displayed in the "island of misfit toys" TV aisle between Magnolia and the main Sony display area. It's crazy what is going on with this set.
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Well my little brother with x-wide 75X950G comes tomorrow which is also completely bashed around these parts. I wanted the Z9F but couldn't justify the price for my secondary TV. It is crazy what is going on in Europe WRT the Z9F vs. x950G and pricing...not sure what the heck Sony is doing over there (or here for that matter).

Best Buy doesn't help the Z9F either...my store has it displayed in the "island of misfit toys" TV aisle between Magnolia and the main Sony display area. It's crazy what is going on with this set.
I have viewed the Z9F and 9QLN Samsung side by side at the 3 best buys near me. On shadow detail, contrast and brightness of the Z9F blows the Samsung away at each store. I say that being a Samsung fan and having owned theirs for the last 10 years. This doesnt even include the superior Sony upscaling and motion handling which is the best in the industry.
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Well my little brother with x-wide 75X950G comes tomorrow which is also completely bashed around these parts. I wanted the Z9F but couldn't justify the price for my secondary TV. It is crazy what is going on in Europe WRT the Z9F vs. x950G and pricing...not sure what the heck Sony is doing over there (or here for that matter).



Best Buy doesn't help the Z9F either...my store has it displayed in the "island of misfit toys" TV aisle between Magnolia and the main Sony display area. It's crazy what is going on with this set.

I bet the 950 is going to perform very well.

BB/Magnolia has slid so far down in competence that I can’t even fault the people working there. They have almost NO experience and the few capable integrators they have are handling the $100,000 rooms. They can’t even display a variety of content anymore. You know you’re hosed when they think you’re going to make a $6000 decision based on demo material and the TV set to VIVID.... hence why the rise in popularity of the YouTube reviewers. And that’s another topic.


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I have viewed the Z9F and 9QLN Samsung side by side at the 3 best buys near me. On shadow detail, contrast and brightness of the Z9F blows the Samsung away at each store. I say that being a Samsung fan and having owned theirs for the last 10 years. This doesnt even include the superior Sony upscaling and motion handling which is the best in the industry.


It’s such a great display but BB reps are afraid to even show it because it’s been curb-stomped by the inky black crowd (and the 10,000 zones are essential gang).

What’s almost humorous is that they’ll be happy to usher you into one of the dedicated projector rooms and proceed to tell you how great the new “laser” $30,000 projector is. (can we talk about native contrast)?


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I bet the 950 is going to perform very well.

BB/Magnolia has slid so far down in competence that I can’t even fault the people working there. They have almost NO experience and the few capable integrators they have are handling the $100,000 rooms. They can’t even display a variety of content anymore. You know you’re hosed when they think you’re going to make a $6000 decision based on demo material and the TV set to VIVID.... hence why the rise in popularity of the YouTube reviewers. And that’s another topic.


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I went to a local magnolia yesterday, he actually had a tablet and on command for me put on a live feed of direct tv, any channel i wanted to look at, 4k blu ray movies from kaleidoscope, and whatever else I wanted to see at the touch of a button, along with the remotes to the TV's so I could fiddle with settings to compare with all the TV's they had running. It's all location dependent, sounds like yours suck.

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That’s the entire opposite of my latest experience. Was that in one of the dedicated rooms or in an area where they have a multiple display wall?

Don’t want to give the wrong impression that I want to hate on BB. Actually the opposite. AV enthusiasts need them to up their game so we can actually rely on someone to inventory and demo gear. I’m happy to buy from them (and actually have for my large HT purchases). The return policy is very good. I’ve seen a consistent slide in rep experience personally and have had a very difficult time getting real world demo on some very expensive tv’s.


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I have viewed the Z9F and 9QLN Samsung side by side at the 3 best buys near me. On shadow detail, contrast and brightness of the Z9F blows the Samsung away at each store. I say that being a Samsung fan and having owned theirs for the last 10 years. This doesnt even include the superior Sony upscaling and motion handling which is the best in the industry.


It’s such a great display but BB reps are afraid to even show it because it’s been curb-stomped by the inky black crowd (and the 10,000 zones are essential gang).

What’s almost humorous is that they’ll be happy to usher you into one of the dedicated projector rooms and proceed to tell you how great the new “laser” $30,000 projector is. (can we talk about native contrast)?


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Well my little brother with x-wide 75X950G comes tomorrow which is also completely bashed around these parts. I wanted the Z9F but couldn't justify the price for my secondary TV. It is crazy what is going on in Europe WRT the Z9F vs. x950G and pricing...not sure what the heck Sony is doing over there (or here for that matter).

Best Buy doesn't help the Z9F either...my store has it displayed in the "island of misfit toys" TV aisle between Magnolia and the main Sony display area. It's crazy what is going on with this set.
Maybe one day when we meet I can invite you over for some viewing. I don't think you could make sense of what some claim after watching some HDR..... Really watching, not pausing on scenes.
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I think experience with Best Buys and such really varies. I will say since I needed some help with installation, I elected to go with them this time, and the people who helped unpack and set me up couldn't have been nicer or more professional. But I don't think our local store even had a Z9F to view - I had to get a brief view of it in a 24-hour NYC store (and there wasn't really anyone around to help change demos, etc.).

Re reviewers, possibly an unpopular opinion, but I don't think they do a bad job in general and are giving their honest takes on these TV's. I like Vincent as well as RTINGS, but I think it's important to realize a lot of it comes down to *opinions* on certain things (like the X-Wide viewing layer not being worth the changes to contrast, for example) as well as a relatively short period of time with each setup. Heck, it's taken me *weeks* to dial in settings and get where I'm finally fairly happy with them and just enjoying my content, and I disagree with certain reviewer conclusions (for example, I learned I really don't like X-tended Dynamic Range for SDR, even though it's often suggested). Neither review for the Z9F was bad, but people hear what they want to hear (both pro and anti). Because the F has fewer zones and less contrast in benchmark situations than the D, even though it's much brighter, has wide viewing angles, has better input lag, has a very fast processor, etc., people unfortunately tend to focus on that aspect of it because of the relation to its predecessor, even though people who own it are quite pleased in actual usage situations.

Because of those perfect blacks, OLED's are going appear punchier at first glance. It takes more time and nuanced viewing to detect the stuff you're *not* seeing on OLED in the shadows. I also have a theory the auto-brightness-limiting of OLED's allows for brighter aspects of dark-to-medium-scenes without eye-searing bright scenes ever happening, even though that also unbalances the picture and makes it much less accurate. (IE, if a game has a bright white menu screen, you can run a brighter equivalent setting on an OLED than you could as comfortably on an LCD, because OLED dims down the brightest screens since it can't handle them, whereas you're gonna get ACTUAL brightness on LCD, so for comfy viewing, might need to take the general brightness down to a more comfortable level).

Personally, having come from OLED, I'm noticing a lot more shadow detail that I was missing before, and the whites are much brighter even though certain aspects of the picture I've had to get used to for being not quite as bright (to get to a comfortable overall viewing level). I feel like I can see EVERYTHING now though. Not having to worry about burn-in has been wonderful, and HDR is so much better on the OLED I finally feel like I'm experiencing actual HDR for the first time. (I tried to watch HDR on the OLED for quite some time, but always ended up disappointed and eventually stopped viewing HDR content most of the time; it was just miserably dim.)

Overall, I've got to agree. I think this is one of, if not the best, all-around LCD TV on the market, and I'm happy with my purchase. I do worry we're heading into a time, as some reviewers seem to indicate, where all the high-end TV's are OLED, and from my previous burn-in experiences, that's pretty upsetting to me.
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You won't need to discuss the Z9D anymore because I think no more are being built and what ever stock there is, is pretty much gone.
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Does anyone have a DV capable 4K Blu-Ray player recommendation for the Z9F?
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From a PQ quality perspective, I don’t think you are going to find a big difference among the choices out there. Some may have features that others don’t have. I have an Oppo 203, which unfortunately is no longer being manufactured.


It may be just confirmation bias but last week I disconnected the x700 from my z9d and replaced it with the Panasonic 820 and to my eyes uhd and sdr looks better. Or maybe I’m just justifying the higher price.

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Perceived PQ differences may be the result of where you are choosing to up-scale the image. If you up-scale in the player, different players may perform differently. If you pass the signal to the Sony and do the up-scaling there, PQ quality differences between different players will be minimized. And, of course, I am a firm believer that nothing does a better job at up-scaling than the Bravia up-scaler.

Then it could be expectation bias...
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Snagged a floor demo 65z9f at BB for a ridiculous $1301.99. I couldn't believe it, just the day before it was $1854. Not sure when I will have it delivered, due to busy schedule, but I had to jump on it at that price. Check your BB as they are all shedding their floor model Z9Fs

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Snagged a floor demo 65z9f at BB for a ridiculous $1301.99. I couldn't believe it, just the day before it was $1854. Not sure when I will have it delivered, due to busy schedule, but I had to jump on it at that price. Check your BB as they are all shedding their floor model Z9Fs
Enjoy. I did the same.
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Perceived PQ differences may be the result of where you are choosing to up-scale the image. If you up-scale in the player, different players may perform differently. If you pass the signal to the Sony and do the up-scaling there, PQ quality differences between different players will be minimized. And, of course, I am a firm believer that nothing does a better job at up-scaling than the Bravia up-scaler.

Then it could be expectation bias...
I do find that should be the case. Only time where I think internal scaler (of player) could do better (potentially) is if any mixing is being done on player (closed captions, menu highlights) but don't know reality of implementation. I will take a look at the panasonic player. I was interest in Sony x700 too but the DV needing to be toggled seemed annoying to me. Thank you all for recommendations!

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I was talking about the Android TV home screen on the TV now shows sponsored channels that can't be turned off.

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It is amazing, just watching any TV show, it seems the commercials get longer and longer. It's ridiculous.
I was talking about the Android TV home screen on the TV now shows sponsored channels that can't be turned off.
When I updated my EU ZF9 the where a screen where you could tick check boxes for data gathering but also recommendations and such. I only ticked the data gathering for Sony's performance improvements. I don't think I can see the sponsored row as a result. Maybe it's possible to change this in the settings some where.

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Quick question - with Local Dimming on medium, I still run into very occasional situations where starfields (completely black background with quite small stars) dim down more than they should (still visible, but the stars aren't nearly as bright as they should be). The only solution I've found is to temporarily turn the Local Dimming to Low for that scene. I'm assuming that's the only thing a person can do for this issue? (I'd also assume this is something all FALD TV's occasionally do - this is my first, so I just want to make sure there's nothing I'm missing.) Thanks!
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this tv is stellar. im loving my 65 inch set
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I was talking about the Android TV home screen on the TV now shows sponsored channels that can't be turned off.

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Big price drops coming soon...

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Big price drops coming soon...

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Big enough and it would put this TV back in contention for my 75" purchase.

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Anyone have DSE issues? If so any setting recommendations to minimize DSE? Did a couple tests this morning based on youtube tests that are making me a little worried.
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Anyone have DSE issues? If so any setting recommendations to minimize DSE? Did a couple tests this morning based on youtube tests that are making me a little worried.
This display is remarkably free of DSE. Maybe your YouTube tests are flawed.
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Does the black bars on this tv became grey?

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