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That's fair. I personally think those issues are overblown and stand by the statement that most owners actually like their sets quite well, but it's certainly true that X-Wide layer does increase blooming a bit in some situations. There also may be a difference between the 65" and 75" models based on some feedback. I find the contrast quite good on my 75" for most content. I still think at the time I purchased it, this was the best TV for me (and still probably is if I was making the decision today - at the current prices, I think it's a steal as well). It'll be interesting to see how the Z9G improves upon this, and I'll be watching new tech (mini/micro LED) going forward, but in the meantime, I'm greatly enjoying a really great TV with spectacularly bright HDR/Dolby Vision and no burn-in worries. Hopefully this'll last me until 12-bit mature 8K HDMI 2.1 panels with great brightness and near-perfect blacks as well as VRR and Dolby Vision/HDR10+ both, but that's a ways out, if it happens at all. =oP
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I'm currently evaluating the 65 inch in my basement now before I decide if I send it back to bestbuy. I got it for $1300 so it's hard to complain. Pluses so far are it has a beautiful natural image, the x1 ultimate does a superb job with upscaling and it's a really nice gaming tv. Negatives so far - It's a tad bit more reflective than I would like, I can't seem to get my xbox one x to display a picture yet- it's hooked up through my Marantz receiver like my ps4 pro(which plays fine) it's probably a setting on the xbox. Last, I do notice some blooming in dark scenes and the black bars seem to fluctuate in Hdr. SDR black bars are fine. Problem is for me when you have 3 Oleds in house that stuff really sticks out. I love the screen size though for the basement. My alternative is to grab a 55A9f or C9 at best buy. I can't afford to go 65 inches on either right now. It is overall a very nice tv though.
Let us know what you decide. Thank you.
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Let us know what you decide. Thank you.
I'm sending it back to bestbuy. I found a open box 65a9f only missing the remote for $1899. The 65z9f is a nice tv, I just can't look past the blooming and fluctuating black bars. I'd love to see a 75 inch in action. Seems like it has way more zones and the owners seem to love them.
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Please be a bit more specific on what you want to know.

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Ok so main things - How does the blooming affect the Z9F 75 inch model? How does it handle motion? I absolutely will not get a Samsung TV again as I found motion handling to be awful unless you have some of the software options turned on which adds some soap opera effect. Sony TV's I feel handle motion great, though I did have an older 1080p LG that handled it well also. How does the smoothing for color banding work in practice?
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Personally, I think it would be a good move. I'm a gamer too and moved up from an OLED because of burn-in it was getting. It's a great feeling not having to worry about it and I've been really enjoying the TV for gaming. The processor in these beasts are truly impressive.

Be aware there is some blooming in HDR content, but it's minor and isn't something that bothers me personally. It's worth it for the X-Wide-Viewing angles, incredibly bright and popping HDR, great colors, and good local dimming in general. Input lag for Game Mode is also decent, and you've got both HDR10 and Dolby Vision support. I think it's also at a really great price with that discount.

Your other choice might be something like the Samsung Q90 or Q900. Both the Samsungs and Sony have pros/cons. Samsung has a few things like Variable Refresh Rate support for games (albeit early) as well as HDR10+ (and on the latter early 8K support), but no eARC (at least on the Q90R) and no Dolby Vision on any of their panels. Also less blooming, but possibly more black crush or Dirty Screen Effect. Color reproduction out of the box is supposed to be a bit better on the Sony. Overall, I knew I wanted Dolby Vision as well as the better color reproduction and hopefully less chance of DSE, which is why I personally chose the Sony (instead of waiting for these panels to come out, which they weren't at the time, but I'd still make the same choice methinks).

Either way you go, good luck!
Thank you for the info. I take it you have the 75 inch model? And can you give an example of the HDR blooming? I like my TV a good bit now but I know the new tvs have better color reproduction and better HDR modes and new processors that can help with stuff.

Also, what is the difference between the Z9F and the Z9D considering the price difference on the older model?
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Ok so main things - How does the blooming affect the Z9F 75 inch model? How does it handle motion? I absolutely will not get a Samsung TV again as I found motion handling to be awful unless you have some of the software options turned on which adds some soap opera effect. Sony TV's I feel handle motion great, though I did have an older 1080p LG that handled it well also. How does the smoothing for color banding work in practice?
Motion handling is typical Sony greatness so no issues there.
Gradation smoothing is another place that the Sony's shine.

As far as blooming, excellent in SDR and there is some in specific low APL scenes in HDR. Overall Sony's algorithm does a great job with its 288 zones on the 75 and with some fine tuning it isn't distracting for me to lower my movie enjoyment. 1800nits of available peak brightness excites me though.

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Has anyone watched Our Planet on Netflix? Wow.. I'm binging it and it is a beautifully done series. So gorgeous on our sets.

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Had anyone watched Our Planet on Netflix? Wow.. I'm binging it and it is a beautifully done series. So gorgeous on our sets.

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I have watched many of the nature shows, including Planet Earth and Blue Planet on Blu-Ray. If you haven’t watched it, try “Moving Art”, another stunning show. All beautiful on the Z9F, whether watching the built-in app, or using AppleTV 4K.

I continue to be surprised with the occasional poster who wants to find issues with this display. Every time I watch something, I usually come away with a big smile on my face.
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Thank you for the info. I take it you have the 75 inch model? And can you give an example of the HDR blooming? I like my TV a good bit now but I know the new tvs have better color reproduction and better HDR modes and new processors that can help with stuff.

Also, what is the difference between the Z9F and the Z9D considering the price difference on the older model?
Yup, 75" Like shoman94 said, blooming isn't really a problem in SDR. In HDR, you'll see the black bars sometimes elevate when a light source is near them, and dark scenes sometimes have a bit of that around lights as well (DC's Swamp Thing is one show that sometimes shows it, but it's a very dark show with a muddy look to begin with). In general, it's not something that bothers me too much, and the pop in bright scenes due to the high nits this display is capable of is worth it for me. Watch something like Into the Spiderverse or Thor: Ragnarok and I think it would challenge most TV's out there on what you will see.

As far as other differences, the Z9F has the X-Wide Viewing Angle and newer chip for much faster apps/menus. Some like the X-Wide viewing as it does provide much nicer viewing from the sides (which I do use), but there is reportedly a cost in terms of contrast and extra blooming visible as compared to the Z9D. Reflections also are a bit different and really vary depending on your room/setup. Personally, I considered the Z9D for the extra contrast + ability to do 3D, but at the end of the day, I really couldn't justify going with a 3 year old TV with slow interface/app performance, and I'm happy with my decision.
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75z9f,so many vertical strips in bright living room



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Is that your tv? The reflections and vertical light bands are totally unacceptable.
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Yes depending on you living room situation, the x-wide filter came cause some problems.

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I suspect that any flat panel would have reflections in your room. Is there a reason you would not consider a covering for that window/door to use when viewing? I use a black-out curtain to control light during the day, and it is very effective.
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Is that your tv? The reflections and vertical light bands are totally unacceptable.
Yes, I owned it for 3 days, then I returned it.
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Yes, I owned it for 3 days, then I returned it.
It would be interesting if you replace it with another flat panel, that you post pictures of how much better the replacement handles the reflection from your door.
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I suspect that any flat panel would have reflections in your room. Is there a reason you would not consider a covering for that window/door to use when viewing? I use a black-out curtain to control light during the day, and it is very effective.
Thanks. We like sunshine and winds during the daytime. When I using my old TV SONY 48WM15B, the reflections are acceptable. So I returned Z9F. I thought it's the best LCD TV by SONY in 2018, and the price is very closed to X950G in China now, so disappointed. The Youtube video (id: n1OK8pyQb_E) said Z9F is the best tv for bright room, I can't Believe it.
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It would be interesting if you replace it with another flat panel, that you post pictures of how much better the replacement handles the reflection from your door.
I don't know which to buy now. I watched a lot of review videos and finally bought Z9F, the reflections score on Rtings seems good enough.
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If you want to minimize reflections, the Q90R is probably the best choice. It is not as accurate as the Z9F, but has the best anti-reflective filter.
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I don't know which to buy now. I watched a lot of review videos and finally bought Z9F, the reflections score on Rtings seems good enough.
Yes the reflections score makes no sense on Rtings for this tv.

Because of these reflections and led bands I decided not to buy it. I could even live with the blooming which does not bother me so much.

For a bright room it is the worst tv because of this and youtube reviews don’t cover this issue. Totally ruins the picture.

Also owners of the x950g are happy to not have the led strip reflections.
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Motion handling is typical Sony greatness so no issues there.
Gradation smoothing is another place that the Sony's shine.

As far as blooming, excellent in SDR and there is some in specific low APL scenes in HDR. Overall Sony's algorithm does a great job with its 288 zones on the 75 and with some fine tuning it isn't distracting for me to lower my movie enjoyment. 1800nits of available peak brightness excites me though.

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Perhaps you can post a picture of your tv in daytime with curtains open so potential buyers here can see if reflections matter
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Yes the reflections score makes no sense on Rtings for this tv.



Because of these reflections and led bands I decided not to buy it. I could even live with the blooming which does not bother me so much.



For a bright room it is the worst tv because of this and youtube reviews don’t cover this issue. Totally ruins the picture.



Also owners of the x950g are happy to not have the led strip reflections.
75 and 85 inch 950g owners still have that x-wide layer. The panel reflection is not different than any OLED really. The real difference is the x-wide layer that creates the rainbow effect you can see in certain reflections.

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Perhaps you can post a picture of your tv in daytime with curtains open so potential buyers here can see if reflections matter
Yes I can. I've had no issues with the windows to the right of the tv and skylights above the TV.

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To be clear, the bands/strips you see in the reflections are NOT from the LED strips. The banding you see is a result of the optical layer applied for the X Wide tech. The X Wide layer does have it's own reflective/refractive properties which can compound with the typical plastic/glass panel layer's reflection, depending on where your light source / reflection is coming from. Personally, I've never seen a reflection with this TV, but I learned long ago to place screens in locations to minimize glare/reflections. If that is not possible, perhaps one of the TV's touted to have the best anti-reflective properties would be your best bet. This wouldn't be it.

All that said, the easiest way to minimize reflections is to simply turn the screen's back-light up, and we all know how bright this bad boy can get.

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To be clear, the bands/strips you see in the reflections are NOT from the LED strips. The banding you see is a result of the optical layer applied for the X Wide tech. The X Wide layer does have it's own reflective/refractive properties which can compound with the typical plastic/glass panel layer's reflection, depending on where your light source / reflection is coming from. Personally, I've never seen a reflection with this TV, but I learned long ago to place screens in locations to minimize glare/reflections. If that is not possible, perhaps one of the TV's touted to have the best anti-reflective properties would be your best bet. This wouldn't be it.

All that said, the easiest way to minimize reflections is to simply turn the screen's back-light up, and we all know how bright this bad boy can get.
Ok thank you.

I think turning backlight up will not minimise reflections in dark content areas.
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If it wasn’t for the led stripes I would have purchased this tv as is excellent value and top Sony video processing.
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Yes I can. I've had no issues with the windows to the right of the tv and skylights above the TV.

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I've had my TV for about 6 weeks now and have never seen any of the led stripes been discussed. My TV is in quite a bright room and yes, you certainly have reflections if a direct light source is on it, but by and by when it is on, I don't even notice the reflections. I looked at the Samsung Q90 because of it's great reflection handling, however, I was so under-whelmed by the way it handled fast sports motion (something I watch a fair bit of) I ended up with the Sony and have not regretted my choice for a second. Plus the upscaling is sensational.
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I've had my TV for about 6 weeks now and have never seen any of the led stripes been discussed. My TV is in quite a bright room and yes, you certainly have reflections if a direct light source is on it, but by and by when it is on, I don't even notice the reflections. I looked at the Samsung Q90 because of it's great reflection handling, however, I was so under-whelmed by the way it handled fast sports motion (something I watch a fair bit of) I ended up with the Sony and have not regretted my choice for a second. Plus the upscaling is sensational.
Can you share a picture of your tv in daylight.
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Pictures don’t lie. Those that have said there are no reflection issues in daylight could post a picture to reassure potential buyers.
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If you want to minimize reflections, the Q90R is probably the best choice. It is not as accurate as the Z9F, but has the best anti-reflective filter.

I watched a YouTube video of Q90R review by AVForums, maybe has the same problem.


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