Originally Posted by half vader
He's pretty much regurgitating the same thing as other hyperbolic haters who've been astoundingly aggressive about trashing it sight unseen and all focus completely on the blacks while ignoring the advancements or writing them off/dismissing them as unimportant or not serious issues.
And can't admit that they didn't want advancement nor innovation, just a Z9D again, that's supercharged/a 3 year old television but on steroids, which is not what the F is turning out to be.
And none of them own or have seen one, making their snickering and arrogance redundant. Others actively dismiss the owners while saying they want opinions on the F! And yeah apparently it's all about the raw numbers - when even Rtings have admitted their criteria could be improved.
Personally I'm all about the blacks and I do have a Z9d so it may not be for me (I want a 75" set and in Oz we never got that for the Z9d). And the thing about OLED is that for me if you're getting crush/losing detail in the above black area then that's precisely the same as NOT having great blacks because you're still missing part of the value range and while you can say the numbers are better because of pure black, it's sort of gilding the lily and being slightly disingenuous imo. For OLEDS, it's just a step above where it is for LCD/LEDs. So y'know, potato potahto.
BUT! I don't discount all the other variables and don't consider my own predilections the be all end all, or even those of the whole. Saying the sky is falling and the Z9f is a joke (good God Youtube is worse than AVS for the bile) just makes them look myopic and infantile, when things like the angles, uniformity, brightness (which still relates to colour purity even at lower levels) and finally much better lag rates for gaming ARE absolutely a step forward. And all that stuff MZ and Thomas have been saying.
Is everyone in this section of the market single and watch by themselves in a pitch black room? No. Anyway I'm just saying the hyperbole is telling.
Sure, but there's also another side to this.
I think some people keep forgetting the Z9F is supposed to be the succesor to the Z9D, and that there were lots of Z9D owners (including myself) who were really looking forward to this TV. I don't think it is "wrong" or even unrealistic to think that a follow up to the Z9D, which is a critcally acclaimed TV to say the least, would have been at least just as good. I would like advancement and innovation as well, but not
at the expense of having lesser black level/local dimming/contrast. And this brings up another point.
While some might enjoy that wide viewing angle, or the Netflix calibration or the faster OS, I don't have any need for them whatsoever (I watch dead center, I don't do streaming and do not connect my TVs to the internet). Less game lag? That's nice. I'm a gamer also, but I'm perfectly fine with how the Z9D performs in that regard. So personally I don't need an improvement in that area either. Besides that, watching movies is the most important thing for me (I never watch regular TV). DSE/uniformity issues "solved" with the Z9F? That's great! But the thing is with previous Sony models, it pretty much always has been a panel lottery. Sometimes I lost (46W4500, 65HX929), sometimes it was okay (55NX810), sometimes very good (75X940D) and fortunately most recently I won (65X900E, 65 + 75Z9D). So at this moment, I have two Z9D sets with near perfect uniformity. So that leaves the auto cal funcionality and the X1U performance for me with the Z9F, but at the same time not having the BMD anymore.
I have noticed some people are quick to point out the good things, but at the same time sometimes seem to be downplaying the issues. It reminds me of the X940D thread. I also owned one, bought it at launch and therefore paid the launch price, but I had issues with it and I was not about to downplay that for any reason.
Different people have different needs and that's just fine really. I'm sure the Z9F is
a great TV for those that like its features and at the same time are coming from "lesser" sets. And that is something to keep in mind also I think. With all due respect, but some of the Z9F owners here seem to be coming from not the greatest of TVs, so they might be very impressed with the Z9F's performance which is a great thing for them ofcourse. And I genuinley mean that btw. But personally I would have wanted (I expected it actually) that superpriced, supercharged, overengineered TV on steroids, which would have put PQ before anything
And that to me, would have been the real Z9D succesor. What we have now is a TV that has improvements in some areas that might not be important to some people at all, while at the same time taking a step back in what makes its predecessor so great. IMO you cannot expect this to go without any backlash, even though some of it might have been harsh and a bit unfair at times.
I think it doesn't really matter that I have yet to lay eyes on a 65" or 75Z9F myself (might do so in the future though, should my dealer have it on display, fully calibrated and in his treated showroom). Right from the very beginning when that Sony event took place in NY, all the way through the most recent reviews, as well as some user experiences here, one can already make up his mind regarding this TV I think. Also the prices of these sets are also reflective in what to expect in some way I think. And it's not that I like being "critical" about this. I was superhyped for it ever since it was announced, I checked the Z9F rumor thread here on a daily basis. When I bought my 75Z9D in Febuary, I actually bought it with the intention to be selling it again when the 75Z9F arrived. So I kept that huge empty box in my tiny basement for 6 months.
But yeah, I finally got rid of that last month.
So while not everyone in this section of the market may be single, and might not be watching by themselves in a pitch dark room, there are
people who expected the Z9F to perform at least on par with its predecessor as far as black level/local dimming goes (meaning using the BMD tech). And I don't think that's unfair or unrealistic at all. I think had Sony called the Z9F the successor to the 900F instead, all this negativity surrounding this set could have been avoided. Just my 2 cents.
Having said this, I wish all (potential) Z9F owners good luck and enjoy your sets!