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thomasfxlt 09-07-2018 11:59 AM

Official Sony Master Series Z9F 75/65” Owners Thread (2018/2019)
 
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This is an OWNERS THREAD







UPDATE: I’ve discovered a problem with my display that may be related to the delay that was experienced last fall in the delivery of 75” Z9F’s. I have one of very few delivered in September of 2018. I would not expect many of you to find this panel issue but as a precaution, I’d encourage you to look carefully. Read my post here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57933798







Update 2: 4/24/19. Let me just say at this point that I’ve experienced the most confusing and frustrating response regarding a purchase of this significance ever. I’ll leave it at that for now and give Sony the opportunity to do the right thing. In the meantime I have to pay to have an authorized service center come to my home to dispute the Sony’ engineers “sight unseen” determination. I’m going to be honest and fair here. Whatever falls out I will share. They have put the burden on me 100% and I find that disturbing.



Update 3: 4/26/2019 Sony has agreed to dispatch a technician to look at my display. It’s taken some heavy lifting but this is a good step and I appreciate it. I will provide another update after their visit.



Update 4: 5/13/19 Resolved to my satisfaction.





Share your actual experience with the display or get information as a prospective buyer.







The intent of this thread:







In the spirit of keeping thread clean for owners and prospective owners, I want to emphasize that it’s primarily an “owners thread”. If you choose something else, post in that display thread, not here.







Goal of this thread:







1. Understand the display’s strengths and weaknesses



2. Understand user-options to maximize the display’s performance for your needs



3. Discuss technical details pertaining to performance characteristics of the Z9F specifically.



4. Discussion surrounding installation and setup.



5. Posting and discussion of relevant professional reviews



6. Posting personal reviews of the TV



7. Technical support recommendations



8. Problem solving.



9. Discussing if your Z9F performance is within other users spec.



10. Prospective owner? Ask questions of existing owners.







It’s not a comparison thread. It’s not a “I bought something else and here’s why it’s awesome” thread. It’s not a “bash Sony” thread.







Don’t respond to the stuff outside the box. Set phasers to “ignore”.







9/23/2018: VE SHOOTOUT DAY! With ALL things considered, the Z9F is a SERIOUS competitor for the 2018/2019 crown.







Shootout results: The top 2 sets were 65” Sony and LG OLED’s. The Z9F 65” finished with the other 2 “within the margin of error” so closely behind the OLED’s that with a few different test cases or sample videos, it could easily have won.







The 75” Z9F has less competition in it’s size class and certainly at it’s price. I remain convinced that the 75” Z9F is the best display in it’s size for 2018 (in a similar price bracket).







My 2 week assessment statement on the 75” Z9F: 9/22/2018







If I had to define the perfect application for the Z9F, it’s the ultimate (nearly perfect uniformity) “multipurpose, family room display that can be viewed from any reasonable angle providing a superb image in light and low-ambient conditions”. It holds it’s own is a theatrical setting but it will be beat on black level and the cinema bar thing will be a nag with some users.











I love this display and I have no regrets. If Sony could push out some kind of improvement relative to keeping the cinema bars darker during low APL/HDR viewing... it would be unbeatable overall.







Here we go. Picking it up tonite. Could be plugged in by 9pm. First impression within 24 hours. I’ve started this thread for the LCD Master Series. 9/8/2018







By October 1, 2018 this is going to exclusively be an OWNERS THREAD for the LCD version of the Master Series. As of Sept 9, it’s me and a 75” Z9F. I’m posting impressions as I have them.







Here’s my 24 hour review as of 9/9/2018. Updated 9/13. My impression of this display has done nothing but improve. I’ve revised black bar performance to a solid 8 and bloom control to an 8 as well. :







Spoiler!
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Current build version in pic below







The big achievement here by Sony is the virtual elimination of the LCD uniformity problem while delivering an outstanding performer for HDR. The color is so good, I’d almost be afraid to calibrate it.







Just scratching the surface. (All rating subject to change)







ZONES: Assuming there's an LED in the corners and you only count a corner LED for one axis the count is 17h x 17v for a total of 289. That's my guesstimate for the 75". UPDATED: Might be 18 x 16 for a total of 288.







Make sure to go to the Home menu, settings and External Inputs, then HDMI signal format and set the input to use "enhanced 4k signal format" for 4k devices. It greatly improved the performance of my AppleTV.







There is a "dark" setting for DolbyVision (low light or dark room) and a "bright" setting for daytime use. Nice!







Netflix mode for DV is available and works GREAT! It’s only available as a picture mode on the Sony’s Netflix app. Not available with external players.







Sony should add the HDR mode being used to the popup "Display" information.







9/9/18: Neither the internal YouTube app or the (built-in Chromecast streaming YouTube HDR from another source) are supporting auto HDR at the moment. Both signal paths support HDR but the stream metadata does not appear to be communicating with the AutoHDR feature on the Sony. You can manually set the HDR space and colorspace and get the same result I get with a CC Ultra connected to an HDMI input (which works correctly).







The myriad of controls/settings on this display are mind-numbing. Figuring out the interplay of all of them is going to take some serious time. There are exhaustive “auto” settings that will have to be tested relative to what they do and how well they work.







Here's a little video of the performance of the Android interface people seemed to be interested in.







9/9/2018: 75" inventory appears constrained. If this display is in your 2018 future you may want to dive in (especially if you're thinking about the 75") I can't imagine at this price that Sony is filling warehouses with them.







Firmware posted 10-3-2019

Brian_Barros 09-07-2018 12:44 PM

Sweet!

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Hetfieldjames 09-07-2018 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasfxlt (Post 56770356)
Here we go. Picking it up tonite. Could be plugged in by 9pm. First impression within 24 hours. I’ve started this thread for the LCD Master Series.

I am jealous, I can't lie. Man that thing is gonna be beautiful.

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shoman94 09-07-2018 01:19 PM

Following closely!

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thomasfxlt 09-07-2018 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hetfieldjames (Post 56770716)
I am jealous, I can't lie. Man that thing is gonna be beautiful.

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I can only hope!

thomasfxlt 09-07-2018 01:26 PM

Official Sony 2018/2019 Z9F 75/65” Owners Thread
 
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Originally Posted by shoman94 (Post 56770810)
Following closely!

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Owners thread..... [emoji23] (inside joke)

Hetfieldjames 09-07-2018 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasfxlt (Post 56770854)
I can only hope!

I have faith it will be.

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DJR662 09-07-2018 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasfxlt (Post 56770356)
Here we go. Picking it up tonite. Could be plugged in by 9pm. First impression within 24 hours. I’ve started this thread for the LCD Master Series.

Looking forward in reading your observations, especially regarding black levels and local dimming. Did you get a 65 or 75"?

thomasfxlt 09-07-2018 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJR662 (Post 56770888)
Looking forward in reading your observations, especially regarding black levels and local dimming. Did you get a 65 or 75"?



75”

destroyer2usa 09-07-2018 01:48 PM

Awesome!! Will be great to hear you're impressions.

MLM87 09-07-2018 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasfxlt (Post 56770356)
Here we go. Picking it up tonite. Could be plugged in by 9pm. First impression within 24 hours. I’ve started this thread for the LCD Master Series.

Please let us know the following: 1) black levels/black bar performance/blooming. note: zones are not a big deal. Some say local dimming is better on x940e than the 65 z9d. 2) Motion/ pixel level response 3) HDR performance 4) off angle viewing 5)build quality 6) X1 ultimate performance 7) android tv performance. Slow, not slow?

I have a broken x930e that is eligible for exchange at Best Buy and I need to know if dropping an extra 1500 is worth it. . If the black levels are bad, I may just get a z9D. Thank you

shoman94 09-07-2018 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLM87 (Post 56771080)
Please let us know the following: 1) black levels/black bar performance/blooming. note: zones are not a big deal. Some say local dimming is better on x940e than the 65 z9d. 2) Motion/ pixel level response 3) HDR performance 4) off angle viewing 5)build quality 6) X1 ultimate performance 7) android tv performance. Slow, not slow?

I have a broken x930e that is eligible for exchange at Best Buy and I need to know if dropping an extra 1500 is worth it. . If the black levels are bad, I may just get a z9D. Thank you

Listen... He's my test [emoji205]..... You'll get the collateral info!





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shoman94 09-07-2018 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasfxlt (Post 56770856)
Owners thread..... [emoji23] (inside joke)

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Cleveland Plasma 09-07-2018 03:19 PM

Congrats ;)

bluemoon737 09-07-2018 03:24 PM

Bated breath...:D

thomasfxlt 09-07-2018 03:28 PM

Store ETA: 45 minutes

NY350Z 09-07-2018 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasfxlt (Post 56771488)
Store ETA: 45 minutes

Can you get some pics of it up and running? Wouldn’t mind seeing how it packaged too, if it’s like the Z9D or more like the 900F.

ma1746 09-07-2018 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasfxlt (Post 56771488)
Store ETA: 45 minutes



I’m excited for your thoughts, I remember you from the p series thread. Did you consider the PQ? I have one and it’s ridiculously good for hdr.


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thomasfxlt 09-07-2018 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ma1746 (Post 56771540)
I’m excited for your thoughts, I remember you from the p series thread. Did you consider the PQ? I have one and it’s ridiculously good for hdr.


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No 75 inch PQ I believe

bluemoon737 09-07-2018 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ma1746 (Post 56771540)
I’m excited for your thoughts, I remember you from the p series thread. Did you consider the PQ? I have one and it’s ridiculously good for hdr.


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I'm sure he would have if it were available in 75" size.

Cam1977 09-07-2018 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasfxlt (Post 56770356)
Here we go. Picking it up tonite. Could be plugged in by 9pm. First impression within 24 hours. I’ve started this thread for the LCD Master Series.

Congrats!

thomasfxlt 09-07-2018 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluemoon737 (Post 56771594)
I'm sure he would have if it were available in 75" size.



If it existed it would be half the price of this one. I’ve vowed however that I would not buy another 75 inch TV until the uniformity issues improved.

thomasfxlt 09-07-2018 04:05 PM

Re-posting from the other thread just so people know what I’m up to.

I’m guessing Sony is taking the best it has at the moment here (within reasonable manufacturing cost parameters) and focusing on perceptible quality rather than stuffing a display with “the most NITS” or “the widest gamut”. It’s promising that 1, they produce the industry standard reference monitor for film mastering and 2. That reference display is the benchmark for the performance of the Master Series. This is why I’m not going to spend much time on measurements and tests and patterns. I am going to focus on perceptible quality. I lived with the P75 for nearly 2.5 years. I know precisely what it does and doesn’t do and I know what I want from my next display. Spec wise, the Z9F hits the mark.... but will it perform? Considering that we’re talking $6k here for a 75” vs $30k for a 30” reference monitor, there will be compromises but are they reasonable and virtually imperceptible when not directly comparing? The single “pleasurable viewing” factor that I’ve been missing is virtually undetectable screen uniformity issues and vertical bands from the backlight grid. The second issue with the P75c1 is the inverted curve for HDR highlights; small windows produce lower nits than large windows. Still a great TV performance wise but you could never really calibrate peak luminance correctly without compromising at one end or the other. The Z9F has the correct window performance for a true HDR display even with a max of 1500 NITs (which will be more than adequate I believe). Finally, I’m skeptical about the SDR to HDR auto-mapping but again, if it works then all that means is that this display has been designed to be super easy to keep at peak performance. Can’t wait to plug it in.

( I want to add that I believe the HDR luminance curve relative to window size on the new Vizio PQ series is working more in compliance with the commonly accepted HDR spec.)

thisbryanguy001 09-07-2018 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasfxlt (Post 56771638)
If it existed it would be half the price of this one. I’ve vowed however that I would not buy another 75 inch TV until the uniformity issues improved.

I'm genuinely happy that someone in here bought the Z9F with high expectations for screen uniformity. Couldn't have asked for anyone better to get this set first. :)

thomasfxlt 09-07-2018 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thisbryanguy001 (Post 56771684)
I'm genuinely happy that someone in here bought the Z9F with high expectations for screen uniformity. Couldn't have asked for anyone better to get this set first. :)



Thank you!

JimShaw 09-07-2018 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasfxlt (Post 56770854)
I can only hope!

Personally for me, I hope it isn't

Why? Because I own a Z9D and if the F is that much better, my bank account might be hurting in the near future.




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Dunnie 09-07-2018 04:24 PM

Mine is do in any day now !!! Can't Wait !!

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thomasfxlt 09-07-2018 04:28 PM


thomasfxlt 09-07-2018 04:28 PM


Dunnie 09-07-2018 04:32 PM

I think you got the wrong one !!...



... I distinctly see my name on that box [emoji16]
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Originally Posted by thomasfxlt (Post 56771806)

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