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NEW Hue Play accessory/bias light for flat panel displays

My HUE Play 2-pack will arrive Monday. These are flat panel mountable (or independent standing) accessory/bias lights for flat panel televisions. They have both white and 16mm color function and work off the HUE hub that you may already own. I’ll post some pics and impressions after I’ve had a chance to mess with them on Monday evening. I think the nice thing about this solution vs the light strips is that these can migrate to a new television easily. Whether 2 is enough for a 75” display is to be determined.

Here’s a link to the Phillips website for those not aware of this new addition to their lineup. https://www2.meethue.com/en-us/p/hue...pack/7820230U7

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I suspect one centered might be enough for the blacker bars effect depending on dispersion. Looks a little more directional than a light strip. What interests me is whether you can use the color aspect to offset wall color to something more color neutral and whether it affects the perceived picture quality.
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I suspect one centered might be enough for the blacker bars effect depending on dispersion. Looks a little more directional than a light strip. What interests me is whether you can use the color aspect to offset wall color to something more color neutral and whether it affects the perceived picture quality.


That’s the first thing I’ll be testing. That will work for sure.
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I suspect one centered might be enough for the blacker bars effect depending on dispersion. Looks a little more directional than a light strip. What interests me is whether you can use the color aspect to offset wall color to something more color neutral and whether it affects the perceived picture quality.
Very interested.I'm sure my wife wouldn't be up for painting the wall.
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I received them. I’m a big fan of the HUE product. Not a big fan of the prices. The build quality of these is adequate for how they’re used. They come with 2 sets of mounting stands/plates. One set is designed to stand them vertically and the other horizontally. I tried them vertical on my speaker towers but I found them a little distracting that way. I’ve opted to mount them horizontally on the back-center of my 75” display. You can see from a few of the pics, light coverage is pretty good. I use a wall mount though and I typically have the tv out about 18-24” from the wall. I think the closer it is to the wall, the more likely you’d want a third. This is a 2 light installation. These integrate with the HUE hub so if you have HUE already, you’re set.

They get very dim. Dim enough that it’s just enough power for extremely low APL scenes (which is how I’ll likely use them). You can dial in whatever color you like and that will allow you to offset a wall color.

Mostly I’ll use them for movies but I think they’ll be a fun addition for hockey and football (a more colorful application with brighter settings on the TV).

I’ll post some brighter, color pics later.
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I received them. I’m a big fan of the HUE product. Not a big fan of the prices. The build quality of these is adequate for how they’re used. They come with 2 sets of mounting stands/plates. One set is designed to stand them vertically and the other horizontally. I tried them vertical on my speaker towers but I found them a little distracting that way. I’ve opted to mount them horizontally on the back-center of my 75” display. You can see from a few of the pics, light coverage is pretty good. I use a wall mount though and I typically have the tv out about 18-24” from the wall. I think the closer it is to the wall, the more likely you’d want a third. This is a 2 light installation. These integrate with the HUE hub so if you have HUE already, you’re set.

They get very dim. Dim enough that it’s just enough power for extremely low APL scenes (which is how I’ll likely use them). You can dial in whatever color you like and that will allow you to offset a wall color.

Mostly I’ll use them for movies but I think they’ll be a fun addition for hockey and football (a more colorful application with brighter settings on the TV).

I’ll post some brighter, color pics later.
Hey your cinema bars are black! What color and what light percentage did u use in the first pic?
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Hey your cinema bars are black! What color and what light percentage did u use in the first pic?
There are 4 preset white color temps. That one was approx 3500k. I like it a little warmer because my walls (for the time being) are a pale blue. That was set to about 20-25%

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Hard to tell from pics but the 3rd one with the whatever color brownish background that is, is affecting the the way I perceive the color of his face and wood (grayer). May just be the scene or camera but is your personal perception that this may be slightly de-emphasizing whatever color the wall is displaying? Can't see how a 6500K white light that's been recommended would be beneficial with your blue wall color. looks like a keeper once you're settled in with it.

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Hard to tell from pics but the 3rd one with the whatever color brownish background that is, is affecting the the way I perceive the color of his face and wood (grayer). May just be the scene or camera but is your personal perception that this may be slightly de-emphasizing whatever color the wall is displaying? Can't see how a 6500K white light that's been recommended would be beneficial with your blue wall color. looks like a keeper once you're settled in with it.
Tough to get the white balance correct with a phone cam. The warmer white settings neutralize the wall color. Using the near-6500k setting I get blue so I’ll be playing with something in between. In addition, the lamp intensity affects it too so finding a nice compromise will take some fiddling.

Just to give you some idea of how strong these are, here’s a few color pics.
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Again, brighter than I’ll use it but this one shows the wall color neutralized.
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Looks like 2 bars are enough then?

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You can set it to white 6500K correct? Also one has full dimming control? I have a 55” TV with white walls and I’m thinking I might be able to get away with one bar.
I’ve read when viewing HDR content a bias light of 5 nits it’s all that’s needed.


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I think if you are as far out from the wall as I am most of the time, 1 would work. The closer you get to your wall, the more you’ll need.

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You can set it to white 6500K correct? Also one has full dimming control? I have a 55” TV with white walls and I’m thinking I might be able to get away with one bar.
I’ve read when viewing HDR content a bias light of 5 nits it’s all that’s needed.


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There are 4 pre-programmed white color temps. The coolest of the 4 is probably 6500k. You can custom set the white point infinitely however.

They go pretty dim. Full dimming control yes, with the HUE hub and app. The hub is not included with these.

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You have not mentioned how these are powered off and on. Are they connected to a USB port on the display? If yes, when you power off the display, do the lights power off immediately?

My Ideal-Lume bias lights require 120v power. I have them connected to a special power strip that senses when the TV is powered off, and subsequently powers off the bias lights. However, the behavior is somewhat peculiar. When the TV is powered off using the off button on a remote, the TV actually continues to draw power for 2-3 minutes, and the power strip controlling the bias lights doesn’t turn them off until the TV stops drawing power in the background. I suspect the TV is doing something like checking for updates, which is why it is drawing power. I even plugged something into one of the TV USB ports and verified it was still active for 2-3 minutes after a power off. Kind of strange, but actually handy, because it keeps the room light enough for me to collect my things as I am leaving.

The Phillips lights look nice, but I am not sure whether I would ever use anything but the white lighting. With those colors, all you need now would be a disco ball.
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I use the Hue light strip plus with a couple of extenders on My 75" z9d. Have several other hue lights and a hub and have My living room lights and light strip programed with a harmony elite controller. I love the setup. I spent a couple of dollars on an app called Hue Lights that lets you tweak the lights a little more that the stock app.
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You have not mentioned how these are powered off and on. Are they connected to a USB port on the display? If yes, when you power off the display, do the lights power off immediately?

My Ideal-Lume bias lights require 120v power. I have them connected to a special power strip that senses when the TV is powered off, and subsequently powers off the bias lights. However, the behavior is somewhat peculiar. When the TV is powered off using the off button on a remote, the TV actually continues to draw power for 2-3 minutes, and the power strip controlling the bias lights doesn’t turn them off until the TV stops drawing power in the background. I suspect the TV is doing something like checking for updates, which is why it is drawing power. I even plugged something into one of the TV USB ports and verified it was still active for 2-3 minutes after a power off. Kind of strange, but actually handy, because it keeps the room light enough for me to collect my things as I am leaving.

The Phillips lights look nice, but I am not sure whether I would ever use anything but the white lighting. With those colors, all you need now would be a disco ball. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
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It also helps if you already have a current HUE ecosystem

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I received them. I’m a big fan of the HUE product. Not a big fan of the prices. The build quality of these is adequate for how they’re used. They come with 2 sets of mounting stands/plates. One set is designed to stand them vertically and the other horizontally. I tried them vertical on my speaker towers but I found them a little distracting that way. I’ve opted to mount them horizontally on the back-center of my 75” display. You can see from a few of the pics, light coverage is pretty good. I use a wall mount though and I typically have the tv out about 18-24” from the wall. I think the closer it is to the wall, the more likely you’d want a third. This is a 2 light installation. These integrate with the HUE hub so if you have HUE already, you’re set.

They get very dim. Dim enough that it’s just enough power for extremely low APL scenes (which is how I’ll likely use them). You can dial in whatever color you like and that will allow you to offset a wall color.

Mostly I’ll use them for movies but I think they’ll be a fun addition for hockey and football (a more colorful application with brighter settings on the TV).

I’ll post some brighter, color pics later.

In your picture #2 below, the light diminishes/fades from the panel outwards very nicely. However it shines brightly on the ceiling. Have you been able to lessen this distraction?
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You have not mentioned how these are powered off and on. Are they connected to a USB port on the display? If yes, when you power off the display, do the lights power off immediately?

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The Phillips lights look nice, but I am not sure whether I would ever use anything but the white lighting. With those colors, all you need now would be a disco ball.
I use a Harmony Elite and hub. You can program the HUE in the Harmony app as a home automation device. After that any scene you’ve created can be used in an Activity you create (watching a movie, watching football, turning off everything etc).

My examples of “color” are extreme for sure. I do find many of the color scenes available for preload are very nice at lower luminance.

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In your picture #2 below, the light diminishes/fades from the panel outwards very nicely. However it shines brightly on the ceiling. Have you been able to lessen this distraction?
Well, that’s the problem with family rooms. They tend to be typical room colors. Honestly, the display itself lightens up the entire room too. I plan on painting the room and will probably use a few shades darker on that back wall and soffit ceiling. Being a multipurpose room, I don’t want to go too dark.

The obvious thing to do would be to darken that soffit ceiling. Another option would be to use a a hinged baffle mounted above the light. My problem is I move my tv around quite often based on who’s sitting and where. Mostly the angle changes which would affect the spill pattern anyway.

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Just wish the colors would change depending on the scene of a movie like their tv's did years ago.
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I just wanted to make note again that my display is out quite far from the wall on an articulating wall mount. The closer you are to the wall, the less spill you will have but it will also mean that 1. your lights will have more focused intensity, 2. you will likely need more lights to cover a bigger display.

At low luminance, I have not found the spill onto the ceiling to be a distraction. That would be minimal anyway in most applications as most people don’t have their tv’s 20” away from the wall.

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Just wish the colors would change depending on the scene of a movie like their tv's did years ago.
That works with their HUE Sync app but the content has to be coming from a ripped file on a computer (which is impracticle for 4k movies and the application doesn’t support streaming services). I’d be happy if you could simply add a general sensor for luminance that would increase and decrease the brightness inside of a set range at a specific color.

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I use the Hue light strip plus with a couple of extenders on My 75" z9d. Have several other hue lights and a hub and have My living room lights and light strip programed with a harmony elite controller. I love the setup. I spent a couple of dollars on an app called Hue Lights that lets you tweak the lights a little more that the stock app.

I use the Hue light strip plus sections with extenders on my 75", as well. I did not peel off the adhesive backing but instead affixed them to the back of the TV with easily removal plastic holders. Command Outdoor Light Clips, Clear, 16-Clips (17017CLR-AWES)

I also have a Bloom behind my stand pointed at the wall that can be color adjusted independently from the bias lighting. The rest of the room is covered with various Hue bulbs and lamps. I control everything with a Harmony Hub, Alexa, Google Home, Siri, or a variety of iOS apps. My wife says its the best thing we've done to our home in the the last ten years.
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That works with their HUE Sync app but the content has to be coming from a ripped file on a computer (which is impracticle for 4k movies and the application doesn’t support streaming services). I’d be happy if you could simply add a general sensor for luminance that would increase and decrease the brightness inside of a set range at a specific color.

There is a version of the Hue app for computers, and it supports adjusting the color based on any content being output by the computer, including streaming video or games. This requires that you have your computer connected to your TV / AVR, though.
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Two questions:
1) How do these mount to the back of the TV?
2) Is it possible to control the lights if one does not have a Hue hub? Can they be fully controlled with a smartphone app?

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Two questions:
1) How do these mount to the back of the TV?
2) Is it possible to control the lights if one does not have a Hue hub?
1. There's a mount and some double sided mounting pad/tape.
2. No. The hub is required.

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I’m going to be using these lots. A little bias light goes a long way with eye fatigue and HDR (not to mention the perceptible enhancement to black level). Even with these set to a low level while watching a DV film, I find myself not being as startled by peak luminance elements. After you get over the novelty of playing with them and just start letting them be a background thing, you get the benefit without really noticing them at all. A perfection of these would be an APL sensor that would raise and lower the luminance of the HUE @ a set color between the lowest setting and a peak setting (set by the user). As they are, I’m setting these to 5 on their power scale (set to a white point that makes my backwall neutral). The only time the light is perceivable is in extremely low APL. The more you use them, the less you notice it and the benefit is awesome.

With normal viewing the backlight is just a nice ambient addition to the room and the subtlety of color variation in finding a good mix for your mood/room/content is outstanding.
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