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I have to admit I've been too far away from A/V and need clarification to a question. I have a Denon AVR-4100w connected to my HU8550. Is there any real benefit on adding the SEK-3500 o SEK-4500? Take in consideration that the system starts at once so I never use the TV without the receiver being on. Thanks for your help.
Well yeah, but the onus would be on you to decide at what cost you are willing to spend since an SEK3500 and an SEK4500 would set you back over $900 these days. In my opinion you would be better off putting that money aside to put towards a new TV when you are ready since technology has come a long way since 2014 when the HU8550 came out.

If I was choosing between the two, I would pick the SEK-3500 discussed in Post 20244 in the 2015 Samsung SEK-3500U/ZA Evolution Kit thread which includes a chart describing the added Features, Improvements, and Benefits but these Evolution Kits are now going for over $600 USD for a used unit that carries no warranty when you can find them so based on the fact your TV is now 6 years old not something I would consider at this juncture.

Please note that chart was prepared about 5 years ago and technology has improved dramatically since then.

As for the SEK-4500, considering the number of posts on this thread only about 4 guys have kept them (and only one owner regularly posts on this thread) but they knew exactly what they were getting and why they were willling to spend the money on basically what amounts to an updated user interface and control over other Samsung products in their home (i.e. the Internet of Things or whatever it’s called) which wasn’t supported in the 2014 or 2015 models.

At the end of the day the decision is yours... but so is the onerous task of doing the research to see if it would justify the cost especially considering the age of your TV and the limitations of the technology then versus now versus the near future.

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I have to admit I've been too far away from A/V and need clarification to a question. I have a Denon AVR-4100w connected to my HU8550. Is there any real benefit on adding the SEK-3500 o SEK-4500? Take in consideration that the system starts at once so I never use the TV without the receiver being on. Thanks for your help.
A 3500 dates from 2015 and was selling for $400 if you can find one. A 4500 dates from 2018 and is $300. New specs are evolving all the time and any benefits gained at the time of introduction of those boxes are essentially obsolete now. It makes more sense to replace the entire set for a few hundred more. That way, not only do you have newer electronics, you'd have a newer tech panel as well. I believe we agree you'd be much happier.

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@DweibOne (and @minrrodq1 , FWIW), I liked your post because I do agree that the better solution is to invest in newer tech, however, from my experience, even though I have a fairly higher-end 65" 2019 Sony that supports Dolby Vision, and a 65" 2018 Vizio that also supports DV (see my sig for the details), the consensus in our home is that movie-watching is still superior on my trusty 'ol, 78" 2014 HU9000 with 2015 SEK-3500.

Even though this is mostly due to the proper Atmos setup with the HU9000 (with exhaustively-tuned, couch-shaking bass), the other main factors that have to do with PQ are:
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  2. The proper HDR with the SEK is still decent enough that the difference, although noticeable, isn't too far off; to the point that the rest of the fam agrees that the difference is slight (I should note that I would consider them "average" viewers, whereas I see a slightly larger gap, but still prefer the bigger screen).

Properly calibrated SDR maxes out at around 100nits in a darkened environment, whereas our 2014 sets are capable of somewhere around 300 - 500 nits, so at least 3x brighter than SDR.

That said, we ended up watching The Mandalorian on D+ on the HU via a Roku Premier Plus; it was just a better overall experience

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Yes plus the fact you cannot find a curved 4K TV with 3D at all anymore. Best keep our "antiques" as long as possible.

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I have to admit I've been too far away from A/V and need clarification to a question. I have a Denon AVR-4100w connected to my HU8550. Is there any real benefit on adding the SEK-3500 o SEK-4500? Take in consideration that the system starts at once so I never use the TV without the receiver being on. Thanks for your help.

I have the same TV as you and missed out on the SEK-3500. I purchased the TV in January of 2015 and wasn’t ready to upgrade it right away because I had very little 4K content and it did have one port capable of HDCP 2.2 for a 4K source (MHL port). Fast forward, we moved and purchased a new TV in 2016 (KS8000) since we now had more space. Since then we have a ton of 4K content and I wanted a way to watch more of it in 4K on our other TV (UHD discs, digital purchases, streaming, etc). Still had one year left of extended warranty on the HU8550 and have been very happy with it. Prices for the SEK-3500 were very expensive on eBay but Samsung released the SEK-4500 and I managed to get a new one on sale for $199. I figured if I get it and it doesn’t play nice with my 4K sources because of hdcp 2.2 I’ll just return it. If I’m convinced it’s doing what I need it to I’ll keep it. I was also interested in the universal remote that it offered which has the same feel as the remote from my 2016 set and my dad raved about how good it was with his new Samsung. I’ve been happy with the device and surprisingly it sends HDR signal to my set despite not having a SEK-3500. The issue with this is that I need to customize a picture mode and flip to it manually where as the SEK-3500 will flip automatically to a dedicated picture mode for HDR content. Picture quality wise, I have this looking very close to my KS8000 so I’m happy with it.

For me, it was worth it at the time to upgrade to the evo kit. I have a sound bar and wasn’t worried about audio. Looking at your receiver, you would want to plug 4K devices directly into the SEK since from what I’ve read the Denon 4100w isn’t HDCP 2.2 compatible and doesn’t passthrough HDR. I think the universal remote requires devices to be plugged directly into the SEK4500. Although the 4500 doesn’t have ARC, you can still use ARC from the HU8550 to send audio back to the receiver. Not sure how much longer you plan to keep the TV for or what your device needs are but the HU8550 is still a really great set.


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Hi I am totally new to the forum so I hope It's okay to ask this here.

I have a UN55HU7250 It was sold to me that it was already UHD.......

My question is that I have no previous upgrades for this TV is the sek-4500 worth it for my tv will it give me UHD I know its not the most beloved item on here but if it would be an upgrade that would be nice.

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Hi I am totally new to the forum so I hope It's okay to ask this here.

I have a UN55HU7250 It was sold to me that it was already UHD.......

My question is that I have no previous upgrades for this TV is the sek-4500 worth it for my tv will it give me UHD I know its not the most beloved item on here but if it would be an upgrade that would be nice.

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Sorry I know there is a ton of info on this thread on this kind of info but I am having a really hard time discerning weather or not my tv would need a Daisy chain? or if it can connect directly, or if the 4500 even has UHD they changed the codes from 3500u meaning uhd now its just 4500.
Just coming into this topic and with no real A/V experience its very convoluted, I am an avid computer guy so I know the names of cables and i have no trouble hooking things up but I really know nothing about tvs and these boxes.
But there is no real way of me getting a new Tv without my wife killing me, an upgrade box I can get away with.
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I ordered the 4500 with much anticipation, watching the shipment tracking almost hourly and if I hadn't just recently started enjoying the 4k Firestick, I probably would have kept it. But it didn't improve upon what I already had as I had hoped. So back it went. Unfortunately I did not explore any of the new functions and features although what I did see looked like a duplicate of what's on the FS4K. I did not like all the app icons on the white background which looked too much like something from LG and was hard on my eyes. HDR from Disney+ looked the same as my recently purchased FS4K. I tried different connections but there was no way to get Dolby Atmos from the 4500 like I get readily from the FS4K plugged into the back of the AVR. The 4500 would not work at all plugged into the AVR. When I tried, it displayed a "this television is not supported" warning. And even though it states it's for 2012 TV's, I tried with my 2008 Samsung, same on screen statement. Normally I like to give a product such as this the benefit of the doubt and hang on to it a few days. But knew right away there was no point in keeping it. B&H online returns are processed similar to Amazon and are quick and easy. They even gave me a convenient shipping label to print out and apply to the box. Didn't have to call and explain anything to anyone hoping to get a RMA # like the old days. Good outfit, will buy from them again.
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Sorry I know there is a ton of info on this thread on this kind of info but I am having a really hard time discerning weather or not my tv would need a Daisy chain? or if it can connect directly, or if the 4500 even has UHD they changed the codes from 3500u meaning uhd now its just 4500.

Just coming into this topic and with no real A/V experience its very convoluted, I am an avid computer guy so I know the names of cables and i have no trouble hooking things up but I really know nothing about tvs and these boxes.

But there is no real way of me getting a new Tv without my wife killing me, an upgrade box I can get away with.


Totally understand not getting a new TV just yet. Your TV is like mine in that it has built in HDMI ports so you don't have to daisy chain an SEK-4500 to a one-connect box since you have HDMI ports built directly on the set. The SEK-3500u was designed to work with only UHD TVs (thus the U in the name). The SEK-4500 was designed to work with both UHD TVs as well as older HD TVs. The 3500 provides a full upgrade to the operating system of your set and all of the ports connecting to the proprietary one connect port (overriding the built-in HDMI ports) whereas the 4500 sits on top of your original TV OS and connects to one of the high speed HDMI ports (it should not be connected to the ports labeled MHL or ARC which remain active). The 3500 has more picture improvement technology in it since it replaces the entire OS of the TV. The 4500 will process video for the external devices you hook up to it and always output to the native resolution and framerate of your set. You will still control most picture preferences with your original TV OS (there are a few options on the 4500 like digital clean view, film mode, HDMI UHD color, and HDMI black level). With the 4500, as long as you have the picture settings dialed in how you like them, you can basically control your TV and all of the devices connected to it with the remote for the evolution kit (power, volume, external device control, etc). However, since Samsung no longer supports 3D on their newer TVs, you will want to bypass the SEK4500 if you hookup a 3D device as the OS on it fails to detect 3D support even with Samsung’s own 3D Blu-ray player. Not sure how many 4K devices you have, but if you have multiple (and won't be getting a new TV for awhile) or want to use the newer Samsung apps (i.e. Disney+, SmartThings, etc.), then its worth considering.
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Exactly. Your solution is simple. Return the SSEK-4500. Sell your receiver on ebay. Buy a receiver that will pass true HDR to the SEK-3500. If all you wanted was true HDR, you could plug the firetv stick into the Sek-3500. if all you wanted was ATMOS, you plug the firetv stick into the receiver. But if you want both you need to get either a new TV or a new receiver.
Happy to report I'm getting good HDR and Atmos now with the FS4K plugged into the bluray input of my AVR and with that plugged into hdmi 2 of SEK3500. My passthrough is setup for the STB and not the FS4K. I am not using ARC at all. It's all working well. No need to even look at a newer AVR. Happy camper


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Wow

DweibOne and musicman0725 Thank you so much for such quick replies.

I really appreciate the information its hard to find anything online and their service department told me to go ask a store because they don't know what is compatible....... wow nice support.

So thanks guys you are definitely better at samsung than samsung.

even if I wanted a 3500 There is basically nothing I can find online within a reasonable price range sadly.
I will give the 4500 a try.
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DweibOne and musicman0725 Thank you so much for such quick replies.



I really appreciate the information its hard to find anything online and their service department told me to go ask a store because they don't know what is compatible....... wow nice support.



So thanks guys you are definitely better at samsung than samsung.



even if I wanted a 3500 There is basically nothing I can find online within a reasonable price range sadly.

I will give the 4500 a try.
Yeah, it just might be a solution for you. However, if you already have a Roku or Firestick it may seem partially redundant. Also the main apps such as Amazon video and Netflix may already be on your TV or bluray player. Just dont expect to see HDR if your TV doesnt support it. And forget about Dolby Atmos. Although the DD+ it does offer sounds pretty darn good. Plus there's a lot of other great features you might really enjoy. The Samsung TV app looks interesting and offers some cable channels if your a cord cutter. Do give us a report a week after you've thoroughly explored it.

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Yes, eARC will definitely help future proof an AVR. New Denon models typically come out in the fall and supposedly this year will be HDMI 2.1. Still, unless you want more channels or something else (i.e. Audyssey XT32) , your AVR is already capable of 4K HDR passthrough and Dolby Atmos/DTS:X.
Yes and it works well. No need to even look at a newer AVR. Let alone a new TV. Not using ARC anyway. And passthrough is set for the STB not the FS4K.

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I did not like all the app icons on the white background which looked too much like something from LG and was hard on my eyes. HDR from Disney+ looked the same as my recently purchased FS4K. I tried different connections but there was no way to get Dolby Atmos from the 4500 like I get readily from the FS4K plugged into the back of the AVR. The 4500 would not work at all plugged into the AVR. When I tried, it displayed a "this television is not supported" warning. And even though it states it's for 2012 TV's, I tried with my 2008 Samsung, same on screen statement. Normally I like to give a product such as this the benefit of the doubt and hang on to it a few days. But knew right away there was no point in keeping it.
It sounds like you boxed it up pretty quickly but I wanted to point out (since the OS is the same look as newer Samsung TVs and others may also not like the white menus) that it’s possible to make the menus black. Also the 2020 models now default to a dark blue so you’re probably not the only one that didn’t like the bright white menus.

Under General -> Accessibility there is the option called High Contrast.

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It sounds like you boxed it up pretty quickly but I wanted to point out (since the OS is the same look as newer Samsung TVs and others may also not like the white menus) that it’s possible to make the menus black. Also the 2020 models now default to a dark blue so you’re probably not the only one that didn’t like the bright white menus. Under General -> Accessibility there is the option called High Contrast.








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Ahh . . very nice. Yes it does have some nice features. And it may be fine for some. But I'm in love with my FS4K which does all I wanted, then some. Saw no reason to look twice at the 4500 which won't do atmos anyway.

Interesting . . the reason I ordered the 4500 is because I wasn't seeing HDR at the moment (as compared to bluray) from my new FS4K whether it was plugged into the AVR or the 3500. But that improved considerably over the course of a week. Also noted the FS4K was sluggish for the first day or so.

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Yes and it works well. No need to even look at a newer AVR. Let alone a new TV. Not using ARC anyway. And passthrough is set for the STB not the FS4K.

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Yeah, I figured the issue wasn’t with the AVR and was probably something with the FS4K like @galonzo said. Thanks for attempting to connect the SEK4500 to the AVR. I didn’t think it would work but was curious what it would do when connected to an unsupported device. I really don’t understand why they would not include an ARC port to pass Atmos back to an AVR. Also, I never use it but the Amazon Prime app on the 4500 doesn’t output video when I play 4K HDR content. I can use the Apple TV version which also has had issues at times but at least they’ve fixed them. Netflix, Hulu and Disney+ work great on all my devices which really is all that matters to me.


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Yeah, I figured the issue wasn’t with the AVR and was probably something with the FS4K like @galonzo said. Thanks for attempting to connect the SEK4500 to the AVR. I didn’t think it would work but was curious what it would do when connected to an unsupported device. I really don’t understand why they would not include an ARC port to pass Atmos back to an AVR. Also, I never use it but the Amazon Prime app on the 4500 doesn’t output video when I play 4K HDR content. I can use the Apple TV version which also has had issues at times but at least they’ve fixed them. Netflix, Hulu and Disney+ work great on all my devices which really is all that matters to me.


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Hmm . . I didnt check it on the 4500 but I'm getting a great HDR picture from the Anazon video app on the 3500 as well as the 8500 bluray player that is in addition to what I'm seeing from the FS4K.

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DweibOne and musicman0725 Thank you so much for such quick replies.

I really appreciate the information its hard to find anything online and their service department told me to go ask a store because they don't know what is compatible....... wow nice support.

So thanks guys you are definitely better at samsung than samsung.

even if I wanted a 3500 There is basically nothing I can find online within a reasonable price range sadly.
I will give the 4500 a try.
Just wondering if you ended up getting one or not. As a follow-up to what I’ve previously posted, I can provide some additional information about what the SEK-4500 adds for people that own an HU series set. It brings some of the features that were missing from our TV and added by the SEK3500U. B&H Photo will sometimes get stock and occasionally you can find a deal on eBay (although sometimes I’ve seen prices close to what the SEK3500 is going for which is insane!).

For one, you get full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 ports that work with HDCP 2.2 (which works despite being connected to an HDMI port that is not HDCP 2.2 compatible). Not sure if you use it or not, but it is compatible with the Samsung SmartThings app (you can use it to control your TV or other devices in your smart home). In addition to a newer version of the Tizen OS, modern apps and the smart remote, you can also watch HDR/HLG content on your display (even if you missed out on the SEK-3500).

I’ve included images from the service menu of both the SEK4500 as well as my HU8550 as proof that you are indeed getting 4K HDR BT. 2020 content passed to your display. The SEK4500 image shows BT2020 next to the resolution with HDR content, howeve. HDR10 metadata contains information on color space and luminance from the mastering display. HDR10 without the metadata is actually called PQ10 (similar to HLG HDR which does not use metadata and is also supported by the SEK4500).

https://www.smpte.org/sites/default/...TE_Atlanta.pdf

I have a picture mode customized on my HU8550 for when HDR signal is passed from the SEK4500 that is very close to what HDR content looks like on my KS8000. In terms of color space you will always want to use Native for HDR content w/ the SEK4500. The only caveat is that you need to modify the brightness setting occasionally, since the TV cannot decode the metadata (at least my set cannot). I like to dial back the brightness to between 37-40 which works most of the time and adjust from there if necessary (luckily you don’t need to adjust often).

Note: There is a risk of bricking your TV/evo kit when entering the service menu and it is not advised. The SEK4500 makes this more complicated as it passes IR commands straight to your TV. PM me if you wish to discuss this further.

Images below of SEK4500:

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Image of HU8550 receiving content form SEK-4500 on HU8550 HDMI2/DVI port:

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HLG Content
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Picture Settings for HDR content:
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Hi musicman unfortunately, i do not have enough post to DM you but I was wondering if you could DM me the sequence to get into the service menu of the SEK-4500 please?

I know the one to get into the SEK-3500 but never figured the one out for the 4500.

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Hi musicman unfortunately, i do not have enough post to DM you but I was wondering if you could DM me the sequence to get into the service menu of the SEK-4500 please?

I know the one to get into the SEK-3500 but never figured the one out for the 4500.

Thanks

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