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LG 86UK7570PUB ~$2500 4 7.41%
Samesung QN82Q65FNBXZA ~$3000 7 12.96%
Sony XBR75X900F ~$3000 34 62.96%
Other? 9 16.67%
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post #1 of 38 Old 10-31-2018, 06:33 AM - Thread Starter
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Question Best Large TV within ~3000?

I'm shopping for a new TV and want something in the 75" to 86" range. My budget is up to ~$3000. The 86" LG 86UK7570PUB (~$2500 coming up at Costco) looks very compelling. I'm also considering the 82" Samsung Q6F. However the LG says it has local dimming, which according to a review I saw on the previous version (86UK6570PUB), I guess has just been added. I haven't found any reviews on the 86UK7570PUB, but the previous one seemed decent. The main thing I see the LG missing is HDR 10 Plus. Is that a deal-breaker? On the other hand, Samsung supports HDR 10+, but not Dolby Vision. If I'm willing to give up some size and go with a 75", Sony's XBR75X900F looks compelling as well.

What's everyone's opinion for the best large format TV available (or soon to be) for ~$3000 or less?

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I'm in the same boat and narrowed it down between the 86" LG and 82" Samsungs. Both are priced around 2500 from Costco for back friday ish sales. will be following this thread so see what peoples experience / opinion is.

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I'm considering exactly the same options. It's clear that most in this forum love the 900f from Sony over the Samsung Q6 or NU8000 but all three have excellent reviews. Like the other two posts here, I'm looking for the best bang for the buck.
I've owned both LG and Sony in the past but don't see that as a factor for this decision.
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HDR 10 Plus is a Samsung invention and pretty much irrelevant. The 86" LG 86UK7570PUB is an IPS panel set likely with poor edge local dimming - the only LG TVs known to have moderately effective local dimming coupled with fairly bright screens are the SK9000 and SK9500. The LG 7000 series tend to have low-end edge dimming and also aren't particularly bright so HDR performance is likely to be poor. No reviews anywhere on it so I'd recommend you get a look at it before making a purchase. Hopefully you would need the wider angle viewing the IPS panel provides should you purchase this one because the grayish blacks will be very apparent in a darkened room.

The Samsung UN82NU8000 and QN82Q6FN perform similarly for $2,500 and $3,000, respectively. They are bright VA panels with deep blacks, mediocre edge dimming but are decent mid-range performers overall. Of course, the XBR75X900F has the best PQ of the lot, being a VA panel FALD TV, but is the smallest.
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Thanks VA... I'm think I'm now between the Sammy Q6 and NU 8000. I was apprehensive on the LG and your explanation helped a bunch. They are both on display at Costco so I can decided side by side.

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According to the Best Buy website Q&A from LG, the 86UK6570PUB is array lit and the 86UK7570PUB also has local dimming.
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According to the Best Buy website Q&A from LG, the 86UK6570PUB is array lit and the 86UK7570PUB also has local dimming.
The Tech Specs at the LG site lists local dimming for the 86UK7570PUB but not for the 86UK6570PUB. Rtings confirms that the 86UK6570PUB is array lit but without local dimming. Rtings reviews have only found FALD in the LG 9 series top-end SK9000 and SK9500 IPS TVs, while LG 7 and 8 series TVs with local dimming were all found to be edge lit. Low-end LG 6 series seem to be array lit without local dimming.
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A clearance Sony X940e from Best Buy spanks that whole group you have listed and would be my pick for a sub $3000 larger TV

and you better hurry because I hear once the current crop is sold that's it


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Spank is relative. Absolutely on a static compare but the 940e has poor motion compared to the 900f and even the LG. Every set has trade offs.
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How wow you tell if it was edge lit or FALD in person?
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HDR 10 Plus is a Samsung invention and pretty much irrelevant. The 86" LG 86UK7570PUB is an IPS panel set likely with poor edge local dimming - the only LG TVs known to have moderately effective local dimming coupled with fairly bright screens are the SK9000 and SK9500. The LG 7000 series tend to have low-end edge dimming and also aren't particularly bright so HDR performance is likely to be poor. No reviews anywhere on it so I'd recommend you get a look at it before making a purchase. Hopefully you would need the wider angle viewing the IPS panel provides should you purchase this one because the grayish blacks will be very apparent in a darkened room.

The Samsung UN82NU8000 and QN82Q6FN perform similarly for $2,500 and $3,000, respectively. They are bright VA panels with deep blacks, mediocre edge dimming but are decent mid-range performers overall. Of course, the XBR75X900F has the best PQ of the lot, being a VA panel FALD TV, but is the smallest.



The 86UK7570PUB does in fact have local dimming that is not edge driven.
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The Tech Specs at the LG site lists local dimming for the 86UK7570PUB but not for the 86UK6570PUB. Rtings confirms that the 86UK6570PUB is array lit but without local dimming. Rtings reviews have only found FALD in the LG 9 series top-end SK9000 and SK9500 IPS TVs, while LG 7 and 8 series TVs with local dimming were all found to be edge lit. Low-end LG 6 series seem to be array lit without local dimming.

Yes, didn't see your update. This is indeed local dimming.
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SONY 940E 75"!! It's on clearance and definitely fits the price range! I suspect they will sell out soon so I'd jump on it! Those other TV's you mention just don't compare.

Otherwise I'd go for the 900F. Maybe the 85" will be at a good price for Black Friday? Could contact ClevelandPlasma for good pricing! (I got a great deal on 75" Z9D)

Either way, if it were me, I couldn't live with the LG or Samsung for those prices regardless of size. And if size truely is #1 importance, you could always go with a projector. I have both and the projector draws all of my guests like bugs on a light.
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LG chat just validated that this was a Full Array Local Dimming setup. They could not validate the nits or how many zones were available.
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Side by side the Sony will easily outclass the other two TV's, but it is smaller. You'll have to decide if the quality difference is worth it, knowing that you'll probably be the only one who will really understand the tradeoff once it's in the house. If at all possible go look at these TV's at a showroom other than costco. I found a local store that had all the TV's on display showing vibrant test footage with motion in a dimly lit space, which highlights the difference (and is closer to real world watching than a costco or bestbuy).

At least you're going big or bigger! Once it's home a 75 doesn't seem that big....next time I'm just gonna add a PJ and 120" screen!
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I'm in the exact same boat. The 86UK7570PUB at around $2500 for BF seems awfully tempting. I'm shopping to replace a projector setup. In this room size will be king although I'd still like decent PQ. Following this thread...

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I'm in the exact same boat. The 86UK7570PUB at around $2500 for BF seems awfully tempting. I'm shopping to replace a projector setup. In this room size will be king although I'd still like decent PQ. Following this thread...
Same here. $2500 for this monster is quite a deal. I've been lurking around Costco and Sams Club comparing 80+ for quite some time. I know that the QLED / OLED look awesome, but if you are not comparing them side by side you wouldn't know. Unless you're sitting in a dark room you have to be looking for problems to notice them.

The only concern I have with the LG is the brightness level. I went back to chat with them some more and they had me call their Tier2 support line. A rep told me that this is listed as having 1000 nits. Not the brightest out there, but not bad.
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Same here. $2500 for this monster is quite a deal. I've been lurking around Costco and Sams Club comparing 80+ for quite some time. I know that the QLED / OLED look awesome, but if you are not comparing them side by side you wouldn't know. Unless you're sitting in a dark room you have to be looking for problems to notice them.

The only concern I have with the LG is the brightness level. I went back to chat with them some more and they had me call their Tier2 support line. A rep told me that this is listed as having 1000 nits. Not the brightest out there, but not bad.

My thing is I have an OLED upstairs for the really killer 4k/HDR content. I'm looking at it like the brightness of this, even if dimmer than QLED, will still DESTROY the projector that's there now. I'd rather the image be a bit smaller but look better, than have the massive yet not great quality of the projector. (plus replacing bulbs, filter maintenance, etc is a huge pain in the ass and expensive)

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My thing is I have an OLED upstairs for the really killer 4k/HDR content. I'm looking at it like the brightness of this, even if dimmer than QLED, will still DESTROY the projector that's there now. I'd rather the image be a bit smaller but look better, than have the massive yet not great quality of the projector. (plus replacing bulbs, filter maintenance, etc is a huge pain in the ass and expensive)
Agreed. I'm replacing a HD projector, so going from 140" down to 86" is a big jump down. Will be a much nicer picture in every way.
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Agreed. I'm replacing a HD projector, so going from 140" down to 86" is a big jump down. Will be a much nicer picture in every way.
($3,500 projector vs $7,000 TV)
Considering the price of the JVC 540/790 + an ALR screen (CARL's ALR is so cheap) a 100"+ 4K HDR projector is awesome! That's why even my wife picks it over our 75" Sony Z9D 9/10.

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Same here. $2500 for this monster is quite a deal. I've been lurking around Costco and Sams Club comparing 80+ for quite some time. I know that the QLED / OLED look awesome, but if you are not comparing them side by side you wouldn't know. Unless you're sitting in a dark room you have to be looking for problems to notice them.

The only concern I have with the LG is the brightness level. I went back to chat with them some more and they had me call their Tier2 support line. A rep told me that this is listed as having 1000 nits. Not the brightest out there, but not bad.
Don't forget about the poor black levels due to the IPS panel. It seems even local dimming doesn't help much in other LG sets with IPS panels and local dimming.

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Don't forget about the poor black levels due to the IPS panel. It seems even local dimming doesn't help much in other LG sets with IPS panels and local dimming.

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Agree about the black levels, but IPS does have some advantages too, wide viewing angles and good color reproduction. My main computer monitor is IPS. (LG 34" Ultra Wide / 21x9 aspect)

EDIT: With that said, I saw the 82" QLED in person today, and I was very impressed. If by any chance that also went down to $2499 during BF sales I might go that route instead, but I don't think that will happen.

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Agree about the black levels, but IPS does have some advantages too, wide viewing angles and good color reproduction. My main computer monitor is IPS. (LG 34" Ultra Wide / 21x9 aspect)

EDIT: With that said, I saw the 82" QLED in person today, and I was very impressed. If by any chance that also went down to $2499 during BF sales I might go that route instead, but I don't think that will happen.

The 82" NU800D, which performs very close to the Q6FN, will be on sale for $2,479 starting 11/11 at BJ's. I assume the other wholesale clubs will have the same pricing and Best Buy will likely sell the 82" NU8000 for $2,499.
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The 82" NU800D, which performs very close to the Q6FN, will be on sale for $2,479 starting 11/11 at BJ's. I assume the other wholesale clubs will have the same pricing and Best Buy will likely sell the 82" NU8000 for $2,499.
Yeah, I noticed that. Ratings.com says they're pretty similar minus the QLED being a bit brighter. It's not as huge a discount from what it's going for now, but it's still a nice savings. Decisions, decisions...

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Remember the LG is a NEW model that we don't have stats on yet. I see people discouraging against it with no facts to back it up.

I don't have all the info either, but it's quite apparent that certain folks don't like LG.
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Remember the LG is a NEW model that we don't have stats on yet. I see people discouraging against it with no facts to back it up.

I don't have all the info either, but it's quite apparent that certain folks don't like LG.

My OLED is LG and I’ve been VERY happy with it. WebOS is pretty slick.
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My OLED is LG and I’ve been VERY happy with it. WebOS is pretty slick.
Yes, I have a smaller OLED as well. Folks keep saying buy a Sony, buy a Samsung. Just seems like there are a lot of fan boys out there. This model is completely new. Will it be better/same as an OLED, no it won't. But compared to other LED/LCD's it may be awesome. Too many to jump to conclusions.

I saw something on reddit that completely dismissed this model because LG make "a poor LED".
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I'm in for the Sammy 88" Q9 at BB
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...?skuId=5762018



j/k LOL
While scanning for the Sony 940E at the site, I spotted that "deal".
Kind of hilarious price, though.
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Sams Club by me has a floor model/return for $10k. Same size and type, not sure of the model.

Crazy the prices on those.
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Price Drop on 85" Sony XBR85X850F. Now available at Best Buy for $3499.99
This is just above your price range, but worth looking at.
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