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Thanks for the heads up, just ordered it.

For those interested in the Calman Home 2019 with Auto Cal, if you would like to wait to hear how well it works with the X900F vs HCFR, give me a day or so to install and run it through it's paces...I am curious what limitations it may have.

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I look forward to your lead... My i1 Display Pro is not coming until Monday or Tuesday, but I have CalMAN Home for Sony already.
Are you using the IOS free app "SpectraCal MobileForge Pattern Generator" or a hardware pattern generator?

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I am using the Calman Client 3 generator, it's like MadVR but only does SDR. For HDR I am using MadVR. Running sweeps of 709 and BT1886, Calman is telling me what HCFR told me, that the calibration is solid. My HCFR HDR calibration is showing off the curve in Calman, so that was primarily the reason I bought it, was because HCFR is so complicated to set targets for HDR I was not fully trusting it.

For SDR 2.2 power law gamma, you're fine with HCFR. For BT1886, Calman might be easier for novice. For HDR, definitely Calman. I cannot get Autocal to work, and I probably won;'t bother with it, because it only does 2.2 power law gamma SDR, which I can do 10x over beofre I can figure out how to get the damn feature to work...and yes I installed the app on the TV.

BTW, the Calman Home 2019 Sony RC1 software has a trial evaluation period, in case you want to play with it...not sure the limitations though.

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Sorry I haven't had enough time to be able to play with my TV much yet.....but is each input only able to save one settings profile? Or is there a way to say have 2 or 3 profiles set that I can then toggle even if I'm on a particular input, without it having changed the main settings that I like?
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Each input, 1, 2, 3, 4, as well as APPS, and separately Dolby Vision and APPS Dolby Vision, store separate full picture mode settings for everything, except the 10 points, as stated previously, which travel across all inputs and all modes. To be clear, if you switch to HDMI 1, you can have like 10 different customized picture profiles, then when you switch to HDMI 2, you have the same profiles available, but the settings you customize them with can be different, and the same goes for each input and APPS and DV.

I hope that made sense.

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Sorry I haven't had enough time to be able to play with my TV much yet.....but is each input only able to save one settings profile? Or is there a way to say have 2 or 3 profiles set that I can then toggle even if I'm on a particular input, without it having changed the main settings that I like?

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Oh wow, that's really awesome then! Good to know, thanks!

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Each input, 1, 2, 3, 4, as well as APPS, and separately Dolby Vision and APPS Dolby Vision, store separate full picture mode settings for everything, except the 10 points, as stated previously, which travel across all inputs and all modes. To be clear, if you switch to HDMI 1, you can have like 10 different customized picture profiles, then when you switch to HDMI 2, you have the same profiles available, but the settings you customize them with can be different, and the same goes for each input and APPS and DV.

I hope that made sense.

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Well, trying to do a full HDR10 calibration using Calman 2019 for Sony...WORTHLESS. Just as with HCFR, the TV's 10 point adjustment points have absolutely NO CORRELATION to the points displayed on the graph. This was a problem with HCFR, but it was much simpler to just do full sweeps, Calman is very slow to sweep, something like several minutes, instead of a few seconds with HCFR.

So Autocal is useless, and HDR calibration is also worthless. I give a thumbs down to Calman Home for Sony, even at $145...save your money and just use HCFR.

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@Anderegg I hope you complained to software tech support. Maybe it is a fixable bug. Thanks for testing. You'd think the Calibration teams and/or Sony would want feedback.
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I compared Netflix content on the built in app vs watching it through my Apple TV (non 4K model), and Raiders was MUCH improved. Apollo 13 had slightly less grain via the Apple TV compared to using the built in app as well. So it seems to my eyes using the Apple for streaming is the better way to go with this tv.

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Do you guys use any separate settings if you are watching a lower resolution movie say on Netflix? I was just experimenting this morning with my new 75” 900F, and was watching various things on the built in Netflix app. Infinity War looked great, which I expected being a newer movie. But then I started Raiders of the Lost Ark, and it was almost unwatchable. I realize it’s a much older movie, but I can’t imagine it even looked that bad when it was originally in the theaters. Is there anything I can do to make these lower resolution movies more watchable? Thanks.

Also, are these settings questions generally more appropriate for this forum, or the Owners Forum?
Either forum is fine, but this is probably the best for settings. Please review the first post on this thread for basic info.

Watching a low resolution program on a larger screen is challenging. My mother-in-law swore the best picture she ever saw was on the 15" portable in the old RV. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] Sony has one of the best upscalers in the business. Good luck.
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No bugs, just an inherently unspecialized design. Think of HCFR as Windows, and Calman as a Mac...Calman has a pretty interface, but you can't see all the techinical stuff you would want to see. Also, in Calman Home HDR workflow, there is no step for adjusting contrast, or testing for clipping...its simply a 2 point then 10 point white balance, and the 10 points don't line up.

For reference, on the X900F, Points 1 and 2 adjust 30%, point 3 adjusts 40%, point 5 adjusts 50%, points 6 and 7 adjust absolutely nothing, point 8 adjusts 60%, point 9 adjusts 70%, and point 10 adjusts 100%. You should need a map to use Calman made specifically for Sony TV's...sad. With that being said, HCFR calibration gave me much lower dE and I could see things a lot better, Calman really doesn't show you much and expects you to just trust the workflow.

For SDR workflow, HCFR is absolutely simple, you don't need to spend $145 on this software package.

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When I asked to a professional calibrator friend of mine with 20 years in selling and calibrating hi end projectors and tvs which software to use with i1 pro he didn’t hesitate an instant in suggesting hcfr, for me as a beginner. Then he obviously uses much more complicated and expensive software but the best basic one is still hcfr and for free! Ps. Your settings andregg are incredibly good on my tv. I am waiting for the i1 pro to be delivered but I guess that I am going to change very little...
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I have a Sony X900F 55
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I compared Netflix content on the built in app vs watching it through my Apple TV (non 4K model), and Raiders was MUCH improved. Apollo 13 had slightly less grain via the Apple TV compared to using the built in app as well. So it seems to my eyes using the Apple for streaming is the better way to go with this tv.
Raiders of the Lost Ark on Netflix is a good test since it is HD and the first 5 minutes is outdoors with bright jungle & deep shadows. Since Spielberg is doing an old-timey movie it is naturally over saturated colorwise (as the director intended). I tested the first 5 or so minutes on the x900F internal App, my Roku Ultra and my AppleTV4K. The pictures were about the same on all three since I have the same settings on each profile (cinepro with expert 1 temp).

Adjusting Gamma makes a difference on a film like this as does turning on Extended Dynamic Range. XDR is Sony's attempt to add an HDR effect to SD & HD material.

For Raiders and other HD shows I like XDR set to low. For everything I set Gamma at +1.

Experiment with Gamma & XDR on Raiders. Good luck.
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Try this with the Raiders: watch it with the internal app and set Reality Creation at 65. Then try the feature on and off. You will barely see the difference. Watch the movie via Roku and try the same experiment with Reality creation on off. There is a huge difference. Reality Creation is an essential feature if used with care. Avoid it in high levels with poor content. You can set it off or no more than 20. But when the content is good itself like recent movies then the contribution of RC is essential. This feature appeared first in Sony projectors in 2011 when JVC competitor introduced the E-shift. Both feature work in similar way adding much more detail without introducing too much noise. As regards the latter depends in fact from the quality of the original source. I used to use RC and E-shift with my projectors set to 68 and adjusting it lower when the source itself displayed too much noise.
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Here are my HDR10 and SDR Calman 2019 calibrations, for what it's worth. My old calibrations on HCFR were white dE of around 0.2 and color dE of 1.0. The Calman calibrations can't do better than white of 0.5dE and color of 1.5dE...so...yeah...

Calman HDR10 May 3, 2019
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Brightness Max
Color 50
Contrast Max
Gamma -2
Black level 50
2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -6
R-Bias -5
G-Bias 0
B-Bias -9
10 Point Expert 1
Point 1 Max 13 15
Point 2 19 Max 19
Point 3 -2 -1 1
Point 4 0 0 0
Point 5 —13 -12 -10
Point 6 0 0 0
Point 7 0 0 0
Point 8 -17 -15 -15
Point 9 Max 17 14
Point 10 0 0 1

Calman BT.1886 (2.2, 2.4 not possible in Calman) May 3, 2019
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Brightness 3
Color 50
Contrast Max
Gamma 0
Black level 50
2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -3
B-Gain -6
R-Bias 0
G-Bias 1
B-Bias -4
10 Point Expert 2
Point 1 -2 -2 -2
Point 2 -10 -11 -11
Point 3 -13 -12 -11
Point 4 -10 -10 -10
Point 5 -9 -9 -7
Point 6 -7 -8 -5
Point 7 -5 -6 -4
Point 8 -3 -3 -3
Point 9 -1 -1 -1
Point 10 1 0 2

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Here are my HDR10 and SDR Calman 2019 calibrations, for what it's worth. My old calibrations on HCFR were white dE of around 0.2 and color dE of 1.0. The Calman calibrations can't do better than white of 0.5dE and color of 1.5dE...so...yeah...

Calman HDR10 May 3, 2019
Cinema Pro
Brightness Max
Color 50
Contrast Max
Gamma -2
Black level 50
2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -6
R-Bias -5
G-Bias 0
B-Bias -9
10 Point Expert 1
Point 1 Max 13 15
Point 2 19 Max 19
Point 3 -2 -1 1
Point 4 0 0 0
Point 5 —13 -12 -10
Point 6 0 0 0
Point 7 0 0 0
Point 8 -17 -15 -15
Point 9 Max 17 14
Point 10 0 0 1

Calman BT.1886 (2.2, 2.4 not possible in Calman) May 3, 2019
Cinema Home
Brightness 3
Color 50
Contrast Max
Gamma 0
Black level 50
2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -3
B-Gain -6
R-Bias 0
G-Bias 1
B-Bias -4
10 Point Expert 2
Point 1 -2 -2 -2
Point 2 -10 -11 -11
Point 3 -13 -12 -11
Point 4 -10 -10 -10
Point 5 -9 -9 -7
Point 6 -7 -8 -5
Point 7 -5 -6 -4
Point 8 -3 -3 -3
Point 9 -1 -1 -1
Point 10 1 0 2
I just tested the Calman HDR calibration on my Forza Horizon 4 game...COMPLEE FAILURE, clouds are purple and green, highlights are just all sorts of false colors.

I wish I could get my money back for this horrible purchase...I am reinputting my HCFR calibrations...that's $145 and 4 hours of my life I will never get back.

Feel free to try the Calman calibration in Cinema Home, and my old HCFR HDR calibration in Cinema Pro and toggle between them.

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Here are my HDR10 and SDR Calman 2019 calibrations, for what it's worth. My old calibrations on HCFR were white dE of around 0.2 and color dE of 1.0. The Calman calibrations can't do better than white of 0.5dE and color of 1.5dE...so...yeah...
I feel your pain, but why post crap settings somebody might accidentally try?
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People would have the option to see what Calman calibrations look like, which could be helpful for someone trying to decide if they should use HCFR for free, or pay money to Spectracal. If you love the HCFR settings, but hate the Calman setings, as I do, then this would be useful information.

I just emailed an official refund request to portrait.com for the Calman Software..burned 12 hours of life off my i1D3 on this POS software package for nothing.

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Well, I have to pull an all-nighter tonight and I figured this would be a good opportunity to play with the tv settings while watching various movies on Netflix. I’ve tried just about all the settings listed at the start of this forum. CNET, flatpanels, rtings, and the others.

I still don’t get it apparently. None of these looks good to me. I go to a lot of movies, and I never remember Thor: Ragnarok looking so dull with no color in the theater. Same for a cartoon like Lilo and Stitch. Every movie I watch with these various settings is just very displeasing. So I guess I’m going to just go with what I like.

My favorite picture I’m getting out of this set in a pitch dark room is Standard with a brightness of 20. Black adjust medium. Adv contrast enhanced medium. Auto dimming High. Xtended dynamic range medium. Color temp Neutral with Live Color Medium. Motionflow Off.

I feel like I’m getting a stunning picture with this, even in a pitch black room. Colorful like I remember in the cinema. Inky blacks. Truly outstanding.

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So I tried both Raiders and Temple of Doom again tonight via the built-in Netflix app. Once again both movies started out on the grainy and fuzzy side. But interestingly as the movie progressed the image got much sharper. Temple of Doom looked stellar after it was playing for awhile. Maybe the built in WiFi on the tv isn’t as good keeping up compared to my Apple TV? I do have an Apple router too...so maybe those two devices just talk to each other better in general. Anyways, I thought that was an interesting observation.

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I compared Netflix content on the built in app vs watching it through my Apple TV (non 4K model), and Raiders was MUCH improved. Apollo 13 had slightly less grain via the Apple TV compared to using the built in app as well. So it seems to my eyes using the Apple for streaming is the better way to go with this tv.
Raiders of the Lost Ark on Netflix is a good test since it is HD and the first 5 minutes is outdoors with bright jungle & deep shadows. Since Spielberg is doing an old-timey movie it is naturally over saturated colorwise (as the director intended). I tested the first 5 or so minutes on the x900F internal App, my Roku Ultra and my AppleTV4K. The pictures were about the same on all three since I have the same settings on each profile (cinepro with expert 1 temp).

Adjusting Gamma makes a difference on a film like this as does turning on Extended Dynamic Range. XDR is Sony's attempt to add an HDR effect to SD & HD material.

For Raiders and other HD shows I like XDR set to low. For everything I set Gamma at +1.

Experiment with Gamma & XDR on Raiders. Good luck.
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Well, I have to pull an all-nighter tonight and I figured this would be a good opportunity to play with the tv settings while watching various movies on Netflix. I’ve tried just about all the settings listed at the start of this forum. CNET, flatpanels, rtings, and the others.

I still don’t get it apparently. None of these looks good to me. I go to a lot of movies, and I never remember Thor: Ragnarok looking so dull with no color in the theater. Same for a cartoon like Lilo and Stitch. Every movie I watch with these various settings is just very displeasing. So I guess I’m going to just go with what I like.

My favorite picture I’m getting out of this set in a pitch dark room is Standard with a brightness of 20. Black adjust medium. Adv contrast enhanced medium. Auto dimming High. Xtended dynamic range medium. Color temp Neutral with Live Color Medium. Motionflow Off.

I feel like I’m getting a stunning picture with this, even in a pitch black room. Colorful like I remember in the cinema. Inky blacks. Truly outstanding.
You noticing blooming into letterbox bars? That’s my only real dislike of the TV after a year of ownership. HDR content and letterbox bars getting lit up.

I watched Thor Ragnarok in HDR and thought it looked fantastic with my settings aside from letterbox bars blooming up. My settings are far different than yours however. I didn’t find it dull at all. We all have different preferences. I prefer a close to accurate image, others prefer over saturated colors and perceived increased contrast by removing shadow detail. A lot of that I imagine comes from most people seeing it how it is in store and trying to replicate that at home thinking it’s what it should look like. Then they get used to it over the years and when they setup for a natural image it looks lifeless compared to what they are used to. You may find that running your brightness that high up on SDR content impacts how you see the difference between it and HDR content. I’m guessing you won’t be as impressed by the differences it has because you won’t see as large of a difference. Wonder Woman was a great showcase of what HDR can do especially near the end of the film. I was very impressed with it.

You should definitely watch how you like it though. It took me quite a while to get used to warmer whites, but, after a few months I got used to it and now colder temps look odd to me. Some things you just can’t get used to though on a personal level. My next TV purchase which may not be for quite a while, I’ll will make absolutely sure it has minimal blooming in letterbox bars and am willing to sacrifice on other things if needed. I am used to how it looks and I can live with it without issues but I will spend more next time so that I don’t have to. Bias lighting definitely helps cover it up.

Interestingly enough, my 55” TCL 6 series shows minimal blooming into the bars but it has another set of its own drawbacks. Sony handles motion far better but the TCL isn’t awful.

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I do not notice bloom during the movie. Only when the Netflix info briefly appears in the top left corner does it light up a little into the black bars. Once the movie starts I find it inky black. Maybe a more trained eye can see bloom. I’m so mesmerized by the picture I don’t see the black bars. And I’m not even using any bias lighting. I will post some shots of Ragnarok.

The world is full of color. When I step outside everything is not dull and muddy, as if I’m looking at my surroundings during a solar eclipse. I prefer to see colors how they look in real life. Not sure what everyone else is seeing that I’m not. Maybe I’m an alien?

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Well, I have to pull an all-nighter tonight and I figured this would be a good opportunity to play with the tv settings while watching various movies on Netflix. I’ve tried just about all the settings listed at the start of this forum. CNET, flatpanels, rtings, and the others.

I still don’t get it apparently. None of these looks good to me. I go to a lot of movies, and I never remember Thor: Ragnarok looking so dull with no color in the theater. Same for a cartoon like Lilo and Stitch. Every movie I watch with these various settings is just very displeasing. So I guess I’m going to just go with what I like.

My favorite picture I’m getting out of this set in a pitch dark room is Standard with a brightness of 20. Black adjust medium. Adv contrast enhanced medium. Auto dimming High. Xtended dynamic range medium. Color temp Neutral with Live Color Medium. Motionflow Off.

I feel like I’m getting a stunning picture with this, even in a pitch black room. Colorful like I remember in the cinema. Inky blacks. Truly outstanding.
You noticing blooming into letterbox bars? That’s my only real dislike of the TV after a year of ownership. HDR content and letterbox bars getting lit up.

I watched Thor Ragnarok in HDR and thought it looked fantastic with my settings aside from letterbox bars blooming up. My settings are far different than yours however. I didn’t find it dull at all. We all have different preferences. I prefer a close to accurate image, others prefer over saturated colors and perceived increased contrast by removing shadow detail. A lot of that I imagine comes from most people seeing it how it is in store and trying to replicate that at home thinking it’s what it should look like. Then they get used to it over the years and when they setup for a natural image it looks lifeless compared to what they are used to. You may find that running your brightness that high up on SDR content impacts how you see the difference between it and HDR content. I’m guessing you won’t be as impressed by the differences it has because you won’t see as large of a difference.

You should definitely watch how you like it though. It took me quite a while to get used to warmer whites, but, after a few months I got used to it and now colder temps look odd to me. Some things you just can’t get used to though on a personal level. My next TV purchase which may not be for quite a while, I’ll will make absolutely sure it has minimal blooming in letterbox bars and am willing to sacrifice on other things if needed. I am used to how it looks and I can live with it without issues but I will spend more next time so that I don’t have to.

Interestingly enough, my 55” TCL 6 series shows minimal blooming into the bars but it has another set of its own drawbacks. Sony handles motion far better but the TCL isn’t awful.
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Ok so maybe I do notice a little bloom into the black bars during a bright scene. The screenshots I posted were during relatively darker scenes I guess. As Thor escapes from Hulk’s room in Ragnarok, the bright sky made the upper left black bar light up ever so slightly. And I mean slight. It’s not enough to bother me. I have my brightness at 20, so I wonder if I turn that down even more if it would help with the infrequent blooming? With that said, I’m watching the movie though, not the black bars and what they’re doing.

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I have just bought a sony x900f

I am trying to get the settings right to work with my xbox 1x but struggling...can anyone help?game mode seems far too dark....does something need to be changed on the xbox itself?any help would be fantastic...thanks
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Ok so maybe I do notice a little bloom into the black bars during a bright scene. The screenshots I posted were during relatively darker scenes I guess. As Thor escapes from Hulk’s room in Ragnarok, the bright sky made the upper left black bar light up ever so slightly. And I mean slight. It’s not enough to bother me. I have my brightness at 20, so I wonder if I turn that down even more if it would help with the infrequent blooming? With that said, I’m watching the movie though, not the black bars and what they’re doing.
There is minimal blooming in SDR content especially with brightness so low which isn’t what I was referring to.

I watched Thor in HDR10 with brightness maxed as is normal for viewing HDR content. If you’re watching HDR content with brightness at 20 then it’s no wonder it’s so minimal. I was under the impression you were watching it in HDR and not SDR. You shouldn’t notice much bloom in SDR content. I don’t notice much in that scenario either. When you do start watching some HDR content don’t go looking for issues you don’t notice lol. I don’t have any issues with SDR content, only HDR.

The colors on my TV don’t look dull to me at all. If I were to look at your set in person I’d probably tell you everything looks blown out and fake. All I’m saying is that you are used to how it looks because you’ve been watching TV the same way for however long you have. Im not implying that your wrong to do so at all. The colors on mine look the same to me as if I were there. I’m guessing because I’ve almost always watched TV with settings that represent an accurate image. I’m not used to oversaturation at all. If I were then my baseline would be the same as yours. When you adjust things like black adjust or contrast enhancer you are losing shadow and dark detail which increases the contrast because you have less of a range between light and dark and therefore it makes the picture pop a little more. My old TV I did the same thing with because it was horrible with shadows and dark details and just displayed them as bands.

I’m running slightly modified rtings settings. I bumped color up to 55 and I run a little higher brightness than they recommend. I run 15-20 during the day and 7-10 at night. For HDR my brightness is always maxed. Brightness is really just to fit the lighting of the room accordingly except for in HDR content. It has no impact on actual picture quality.

Again not trying to imply you’re watching TV “wrong” or etc. You should watch how you want to watch. Just giving you the opposite point of view as well as potential reasons why we see them different ways, such as how we’ve watched TV in the past or etc.

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Ya I haven’t really watched HDR content yet. I have not upgraded to the 4K Apple TV or have gotten a 4K Blu-ray-Ray player yet. Damn, I hope I don’t hate bloom now if it’s really that bad on HDR content! I did watch a little bit of Our Planet on Netflix which is Dolby Vision. It didn’t look so good to me so I put the colors back to where I like them and it was more enjoyable. It seems that Dolby Vision sets the brightness slider to max...yet the tv doesn’t seem at max. Is that because Dolby Vision is directly controlling the brightness of each scene dynamically?

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Ok so maybe I do notice a little bloom into the black bars during a bright scene. The screenshots I posted were during relatively darker scenes I guess. As Thor escapes from Hulk’s room in Ragnarok, the bright sky made the upper left black bar light up ever so slightly. And I mean slight. It’s not enough to bother me. I have my brightness at 20, so I wonder if I turn that down even more if it would help with the infrequent blooming? With that said, I’m watching the movie though, not the black bars and what they’re doing.
There is minimal blooming in SDR content especially with brightness so low which isn’t what I was referring to.

I watched Thor in HDR10 with brightness maxed as is normal for viewing HDR content. If you’re watching HDR content with brightness at 20 then it’s no wonder it’s so minimal. I was under the impression you were watching it in HDR and not SDR. You shouldn’t notice much bloom in SDR content. I don’t notice much in that scenario either. When you do start watching some HDR content don’t go looking for issues you don’t notice lol. I don’t have any issues with SDR content, only HDR.

The colors on my TV don’t look dull to me at all. If I were to look at your set in person I’d probably tell you everything looks blown out and fake. All I’m saying is that you are used to how it looks because you’ve been watching TV the same way for however long you have. Im not implying that your wrong to do so at all. The colors on mine look the same to me as if I were there. I’m guessing because I’ve almost always watched TV with settings that represent an accurate image. I’m not used to oversaturation at all. If I were then my baseline would be the same as yours. When you adjust things like black adjust or contrast enhancer you are losing shadow and dark detail which increases the contrast because you have less of a range between light and dark and therefore it makes the picture pop a little more. My old TV I did the same thing with because it was horrible with shadows and dark details and just displayed them as bands.

I’m running slightly modified rtings settings. I bumped color up to 55 and I run a little higher brightness than they recommend. I run 15-20 during the day and 7-10 at night. For HDR my brightness is always maxed. Brightness is really just to fit the lighting of the room accordingly except for in HDR content. It has no impact on actual picture quality.

Again not trying to imply you’re watching TV “wrong” or etc. You should watch how you want to watch. Just giving you the opposite point of view as well as potential reasons why we see them different ways, such as how we’ve watched TV in the past or etc.
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Ya I haven’t really watched HDR content yet. I have not upgraded to the 4K Apple TV or have gotten a 4K Blu-ray-Ray player yet. Damn, I hope I don’t hate bloom now if it’s really that bad on HDR content! I did watch a little bit of Our Planet on Netflix which is Dolby Vision. It didn’t look so good to me so I put the colors back to where I like them and it was more enjoyable. It seems that Dolby Vision sets the brightness slider to max...yet the tv doesn’t seem at max. Is that because Dolby Vision is directly controlling the brightness of each scene dynamically?
It’s not always bad and it bothers some more than others. Some things help mitigate it. If it were horrible I wouldn’t be able to live with it. It’s just my only annoyance with the set. At least you can ignore them by watching the content and not the black bars lol. I can’t because I’m a subtitle fan and HDR with subtitles doesn’t help the issue. On the plus side you can change the color and transparency of them which helps immensely.

Dolby Vision from what I’ve gathered is designed to be watched in a very dark room and as you said brightness and many other things can be controlled on a scene by scene basis. You’ll see a lot of people saying it’s too dark, but my personal belief is that they’re just used to watching TV with brightness way up. If a show is supposed to be dark then it will be with Dolby Vision. My TCL displays it the same way. I don’t know a ton about it though, just things here and there I picked up and what I’ve personally seen. I’m sure others here are more knowledgeable about DV.

On the plus side if you do get an Apple TV 4K you can disable Dolby Vision and only get HDR10.

I’ve always stuck by using the settings you enjoy, but don’t be afraid to mess around a bit and explore all possibilities. Find what settings you enjoy and enjoy the set. Curious if you got your Comcast looking any better though.
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Does the Apple TV let you disable Dolby Vision even if you’re watching something on Netflix? Or is that just for movies purchased through iTunes?

I think the Comcast is probably fine. I think it just depends on the broadcast. We watch a lot of MSNBC at night (no political insults needed please), and some shows have a slight fuzz only at times. Other shows are super sharp. So I don’t know if it’s the particular cameras and lighting in each studio. Or maybe depending on how many people are tuned in to a particular show maybe it’s getting compressed more for certain broadcasts. Commercials vary too. Some commercials are super sharp and others fuzzy. It’s probably just how they were shot I am guessing.

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Ya I haven’t really watched HDR content yet. I have not upgraded to the 4K Apple TV or have gotten a 4K Blu-ray-Ray player yet. Damn, I hope I don’t hate bloom now if it’s really that bad on HDR content! I did watch a little bit of Our Planet on Netflix which is Dolby Vision. It didn’t look so good to me so I put the colors back to where I like them and it was more enjoyable. It seems that Dolby Vision sets the brightness slider to max...yet the tv doesn’t seem at max. Is that because Dolby Vision is directly controlling the brightness of each scene dynamically?
It’s not always bad and it bothers some more than others. Some things help mitigate it. If it were horrible I wouldn’t be able to live with it. It’s just my only annoyance with the set. At least you can ignore them by watching the content and not the black bars lol. I can’t because I’m a subtitle fan and HDR with subtitles doesn’t help the issue. On the plus side you can change the color and transparency of them which helps immensely.

Dolby Vision from what I’ve gathered is designed to be watched in a very dark room and as you said brightness and many other things can be controlled on a scene by scene basis. You’ll see a lot of people saying it’s too dark, but my personal belief is that they’re just used to watching TV with brightness way up. If a show is supposed to be dark then it will be with Dolby Vision. My TCL displays it the same way. I don’t know a ton about it though, just things here and there I picked up and what I’ve personally seen. I’m sure others here are more knowledgeable about DV.

On the plus side if you do get an Apple TV 4K you can disable Dolby Vision and only get HDR10.

I’ve always stuck by using the settings you enjoy, but don’t be afraid to mess around a bit and explore all possibilities. Find what settings you enjoy and enjoy the set. Curious if you got your Comcast looking any better though.
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Does the Apple TV let you disable Dolby Vision even if you’re watching something on Netflix? Or is that just for movies purchased through iTunes?

I think the Comcast is probably fine. I think it just depends on the broadcast. We watch a lot of MSNBC at night (no political insults needed please), and some shows have a slight fuzz only at times. Other shows are super sharp. So I don’t know if it’s the particular cameras and lighting in each studio. Or maybe depending on how many people are tuned in to a particular show maybe it’s getting compressed more for certain broadcasts. Commercials vary too. Some commercials are super sharp and others fuzzy. It’s probably just how they were shot I am guessing.
The Apple TV will allow you to disable Dolby Vision in its own system settings and thus forces Netflix to play regular HDR instead because it doesn’t see DV as an option.

As far as Comcast goes (even with Directv) channels and shows can vary widely. For the most part I have no complaints with my directv, but, some channels or shows just suck. Shot bad or overcompressed or what not.
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Well, I have to pull an all-nighter tonight and I figured this would be a good opportunity to play with the tv settings while watching various movies on Netflix. I’ve tried just about all the settings listed at the start of this forum.....

I feel like I’m getting a stunning picture with this, even in a pitch black room. Colorful like I remember in the cinema. Inky blacks. Truly outstanding.
Glad you found settings you like and thanks for posting some of your settings.

Regarding grainy picture at the beginning of internal Netflix, it is probably a poor Sony wifi signal or Android firmware. Remember those complaints about the Sony having slow menus? It isn't an issue to me since I use my ATV4K or Roku Ultra for streaming.
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Ya I haven’t really watched HDR content yet. I have not upgraded to the 4K Apple TV or have gotten a 4K Blu-ray-Ray player yet. Damn, I hope I don’t hate bloom now if it’s really that bad on HDR content! I did watch a little bit of Our Planet on Netflix which is Dolby Vision. It didn’t look so good to me so I put the colors back to where I like them and it was more enjoyable. It seems that Dolby Vision sets the brightness slider to max...yet the tv doesn’t seem at max. Is that because Dolby Vision is directly controlling the brightness of each scene dynamically?
YES. Dolby Labs and Sony has tuned Dolby Vision for the 900F. For DV you would be wise to NOT mess with Max Brightness Max Contrast etc but you can adjust the Gamma as needed. Some DV is inherently bright and some is dark like the Netflix Marvel shows Daredevil, the Punisher etc.
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