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...I got used of Samsung Tvs and i like the colors better...Is it possible to replicate the colors on our X900f?X900f has a wider color gamut than the older Samsung,but the colors in general look more rich in my eyes on the Samsung (especially when gaming)...
Try Photo Vivid for that Sami oversaturated look.
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My tv finally updated to the new update. Watching Our Planet through built in Netflix app. Dolby Vision using Paul’s settings. This image is fantastic. Perfect colors and contrast. I can’t find a single flaw with what I’m seeing. I’m so happy with this tv!
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My tv finally updated to the new update. Watching Our Planet through built in Netflix app. Dolby Vision using Paul’s settings. This image is fantastic. Perfect colors and contrast. I can’t find a single flaw with what I’m seeing. I’m so happy with this tv!
Just those dirty brown zebras. That and Chef's Table are excellent eye candy for Dolby Vision if you prefer bright scenes. For movie style, I'd recommend Lost in Space.
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The best visual experience with DV is The wandering earth. Absolute reference for streaming content. And you can push the Reality Creation to 65-70 without any added digital noise or artifacts. It’s splendid
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The best visual experience with DV is The wandering earth. Absolute reference for streaming content. And you can push the Reality Creation to 65-70 without any added digital noise or artifacts. It’s splendid
2019 series release of "This is Our Planet" narrated by David Attenborough on Netflix is in DV and Atmos, HIGHLY recommend.

I'm using Anderegg HDR/DV settings, and it looks great.
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2019 series release of "This is Our Planet" narrated by David Attenborough on Netflix is in DV and Atmos, HIGHLY recommend.

I'm using Anderegg HDR/DV settings, and it looks great.
Yep, "our Planet" is another Attenborough narrated flick with the golden zebras. I use your 2 point with just CinePro and Expert 1. Default DV settings & Expert 1 temp is still outstanding. Netflix has some nice Dolby Vision eye candy.
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The zebra looked better now for some reason...maybe I’m just adjusting more. Or did the update somehow improve the picture compared to what I was seeing before?
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The zebra looked better now for some reason...maybe I’m just adjusting more. Or did the update somehow improve the picture compared to what I was seeing before?
The update was just to fix issues with the original android 8 release.

You probably have a better understanding on making adjustments now, and the results are better.

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My TV got the firmware update this evening after patiently waiting. So far seems to have fixed the ARC issue...

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I've also been watching all my TV content with the brightness and sometimes gamma dialed down as well now. The default brightness was 35 I believe. I've now been watching everything between 8-15. At default brightness and gammas, I felt sometimes the blacks would have a haze/washout in some instances. It seems dialing back the brightness and gamma helps with that issue, and also makes the image a little punchier. So maybe that adjustment for my normal viewing habits makes DV look better.....that's a theory I saw someone post at least when it came to people complaining about Dolby Vision...is that a lot of people watch their normal content at too high of a brightness, thus making DV content not look as impressive as people think it should.

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I've also been watching all my TV content with the brightness and sometimes gamma dialed down as well now. The default brightness was 35 I believe. I've now been watching everything between 8-15. At default brightness and gammas, I felt sometimes the blacks would have a haze/washout in some instances. It seems dialing back the brightness and gamma helps with that issue, and also makes the image a little punchier. So maybe that adjustment for my normal viewing habits makes DV look better.....that's a theory I saw someone post at least when it came to people complaining about Dolby Vision...is that a lot of people watch their normal content at too high of a brightness, thus making DV content not look as impressive as people think it should.
That is correct about Brightness and Gamma, the higher you have those set the less contrast and the more washed out the image/colour is going to look. Your 8-15 is right in the target range for keeping Brightness, and I would keep Gamma @ -2/-1 as it allows for higher contrast, and adds depth & richness to the image.

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Adding a generic SDR/HDR 2.2 power law gamma calibration. This set uses Custom Picture Mode with Warm white balance 10 point adjustments. This is old school 2.2 gamma sRGB that can serve a dual purpose for SDR and HDR. Combined with the other calibrations, you can have separate BT.1886 SDR, HDR10/DV specific HDR, as well as an old standby sRGB 2.2 good for PC, photo, video, SDR, and HDR.

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Brightness 3 (HDR Max)
Contrast Max
Gamma 0
Black level 50
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Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain -2
G-Gain -8
B-Gain -19 
R-Bias -12
G-Bias -11
B-Bias -17

10 Point
Point 1 7 7 6
Point 2 4 3 0
Point 3 0 0 -2
Point 4 2 1 0
Point 5 0 -1 1
Point 6 -1 -1 1
Point 7 -1 -1 0
Point 8 0 0 0
Point 9 0 0 0
Point 10 1 0 2

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Adding a generic SDR/HDR 2.2 power law gamma calibration. This set uses Custom Picture Mode with Warm white balance 10 point adjustments. This is old school 2.2 gamma sRGB that can serve a dual purpose for SDR and HDR. Combined with the other calibrations, you can have separate BT.1886 SDR, HDR10/DV specific HDR, as well as an old standby sRGB 2.2 good for PC, photo, video, SDR, and HDR.

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Custom
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Contrast Max
Gamma 0
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X-tended Off (HDR Medium)
Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain -2
G-Gain -8
B-Gain -19 
R-Bias -12
G-Bias -11
B-Bias -17

10 Point
Point 1 7 7 6
Point 2 4 3 0
Point 3 0 0 -2
Point 4 2 1 0
Point 5 0 -1 1
Point 6 -1 -1 1
Point 7 -1 -1 0
Point 8 0 0 0
Point 9 0 0 0
Point 10 1 0 2
What mode would you recommend for HDR Gaming? Your OG HDR10 settings from May 4th or this latest Generic usage one?

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What mode would you recommend for HDR Gaming? Your OG HDR10 settings from May 4th or this latest Generic usage one?

Thanks mate!
If you have my HDR10 in Cinema Pro, then when you put these into Custom (assuming your not using Custom and Warm for some other purpose), you can easily toggle back and forth between them and choose which looks best to you. Since HDR gaming (PC at least) doesn't strictly abide by a luminance curve (they add sliders for brightness and gamma in the games), you may find one game likes one while another likes the other. Using the 2.2 power law would also allow you to only need one setting for a PC, so when you are not in an HDR game the normal desktop would still be proper sRGB. The HDR10 calibration doesn't look that good when viewing SDR material or non HDR content.

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Thank you Paul for your 2.2 settings. I am glad to see something that I noticed since I bought this tv: you have to always set the contrast to max. It’s the only way to get close to the correct 235 which actually not even at max you can reach. I was quite disappointed to not be able to have a correct 16-235 range and I ended up with a 16-244 with contrast set to max. This starting point then impacts to the white balance and with a limited CMS is not that easy to come to a perfect result. Am I wrong? Or just used to projectors calibration where the 16-235 as starting point is essential? Thank you
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Yep, "our Planet" is another Attenborough narrated flick with the golden zebras. I use your 2 point with just CinePro and Expert 1. Default DV settings & Expert 1 temp is still outstanding. Netflix has some nice Dolby Vision eye candy.

Those do look fantastic....I just can't take the Attenborough narrated part.

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Those do look fantastic....I just can't take the Attenborough narrated part.

Off topic but what do you have against Attenborough? The man is an ICON.
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I calibrate in HCFR using 0-255 values...with the HDMI set to 16-235, the calibrated 100% 255 100cd/m is mapped (squeezed not clipped) to 235.

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Thank you Paul for your 2.2 settings. I am glad to see something that I noticed since I bought this tv: you have to always set the contrast to max. It’s the only way to get close to the correct 235 which actually not even at max you can reach. I was quite disappointed to not be able to have a correct 16-235 range and I ended up with a 16-244 with contrast set to max. This starting point then impacts to the white balance and with a limited CMS is not that easy to come to a perfect result. Am I wrong? Or just used to projectors calibration where the 16-235 as starting point is essential? Thank you

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2019 series release of "This is Our Planet" narrated by David Attenborough on Netflix is in DV and Atmos, HIGHLY recommend.

I'm using Anderegg HDR/DV settings, and it looks great.
I am watching it now and using the same settings! OMG I am in awe everyday at just how beautiful this display is!
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I am watching it now and using the same settings! OMG I am in awe everyday at just how beautiful this display is!
Are you guys seeing maybe a ting of purple on the puffy clouds specular highlights about halfway through on my HDR settings? I tried putting in my 2.2 power law settings in and it eliminated any color ringing in extreme highlights, but the HDR effect in general HDR and DV content got real dark across the board real fast...which was the main reason to offer the HDR specific calibrations.

Also, those zebras are dirty :-P

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Are you guys seeing maybe a ting of purple on the puffy clouds specular highlights about halfway through on my HDR settings? I tried putting in my 2.2 power law settings in and it eliminated any color ringing in extreme highlights, but the HDR effect in general HDR and DV content got real dark across the board real fast...which was the main reason to offer the HDR specific calibrations.

Also, those zebras are dirty :-P

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Paul I didn't notice it or I haven't got that far in to it yet. I am just now at that little bird that looks like its wearing boots and cant walk.
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Hi. I am a new owner of the 85 inch X900F. Thank you very much for the settings recommendations.

I have a question. I have cut the cord and my primary TV interface is Apple TV 4K. I use YouTube TV for TV, and also Netflix / Amazon Prime. The Apple TV has three output modes: 4K SDR, 4K HDR10, and 4K Dolby Vision. Which setting should I use as the output mode? I am thinking 4K SDR and have the Picture Setting in BT1886. If I watch a Netflix or Amazon Prime show with HDR10 or DV, I will then change the Picture Mode to the HDR/DV setting. Is this correct? Thanks!
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Hi. I am a new owner of the 85 inch X900F. Thank you very much for the settings recommendations.

I have a question. I have cut the cord and my primary TV interface is Apple TV 4K. I use YouTube TV for TV, and also Netflix / Amazon Prime. The Apple TV has three output modes: 4K SDR, 4K HDR10, and 4K Dolby Vision. Which setting should I use as the output mode? I am thinking 4K SDR and have the Picture Setting in BT1886. If I watch a Netflix or Amazon Prime show with HDR10 or DV, I will then change the Picture Mode to the HDR/DV setting. Is this correct? Thanks!
That's correct, you should choose 4K SDR (Otherwise the AppleTV 4K will attempt to apply fake HDR colors to SDR content), and then also make sure the option for "Match Dynamic Range" is turned on. This will maintain SDR color for all standard content, but the AppleTV will automatically output HDR10 or DV video, but only when the content provides it. In those cases, the tv will switch to the HDR picture adjustments profile that is appropriate. If your contrast or gamma settings are different between your preferred SDR and HDR 10 picture settings, you will likely need to make an alternate picture profile (for example, calibrate Cinema Pro for HDR10 and Cinema Home for SDR content), and manually switch over. Dolby Vision has its own picture profile, so once you have this set up it will automatically switch back and forth with no work from you needed.

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Are you guys seeing maybe a ting of purple on the puffy clouds specular highlights about halfway through on my HDR settings? I tried putting in my 2.2 power law settings in and it eliminated any color ringing in extreme highlights, but the HDR effect in general HDR and DV content got real dark across the board real fast...which was the main reason to offer the HDR specific calibrations.

Also, those zebras are dirty :-P

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I didn't notice, but I also wasn't looking to hard either. Which episode did you notice it in? I already watched the entire series and didn't really notice anything looking off, but I think I set the HDR settings while I was in Cinema Home/Expert 2 rather than Pro/Expert 1 since I have your bt.1886 setting in that setup with a brightness of 6.

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Hi I have had a 65 inch 900f for a few months now and I love it, although i'm not sure i have the hdr settings right. I love the picture but get a bit of eye strain and small flames like candles seem overly bright and hard to look at directly (Gladiator 4k UHD, lots of candle shots). Have posted my settings below hoping if anyone can see where i have gone wrong.
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Sorry about the messy post above. I found out what was making the candles so bright, Live colour on high. With it switched off the candle flame is more realistic. And i guess i've solved my eyestrain problem as well.
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I found your purple clouds in episode 1 just before the dry lake part, and here's what I get. I wasn't seeing the purple clouds and blown out highlights because I was using colour expert 2 which is your bt.1886 settings. When I switched to Expert 1 and added in your HDR10 settings I got the purple clouds and blown hightlights.

I lose track of which settings I have on which input for which type of viewing, so I went back through everything and wrote it down, again...lol

So basically I am using just 2 setups, My settings on Cinema Pro/Ex1 (Antenna/Blu-rays) and your bt.1886 on Cinema Home/Ex2 (HDR/Streaming). IMO, your 1886 settings work better for HDR/DV over the other settings and they maintain the brightness for HDR. I actually went back and forth between the 2 on several of the episodes of Our Planet and the 1886 setting looked better on my set with no funky colours and blow outs of highlights.




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So basically I am using just 2 setups, My settings on Cinema Pro/Ex1 (Antenna/Blu-rays) and your bt.1886 on Cinema Home/Ex2 (HDR/Streaming). IMO, your 1886 settings work better for HDR/DV over the other settings and they maintain the brightness for HDR. I actually went back and forth between the 2 on several of the episodes of Our Planet and the 1886 setting looked better on my set with no funky colours and blow outs of highlights.
Just curious, when you say your settings on Cinema Pro, do you mean the 2 point settings you posted several months ago? I had tried using those for a little while before switching over to Paul's bt.1886 settings, but I'm not sure which I prefer (the difference is so small, yours are deeper and cooler, Paul's are a little brighter and slightly greener). Was just curious if you had abandoned those or were still using them. I'm finding that Paul's bt.1886 is nice but seems a tad blown out on the highlights with the contrast at max for SDR content (been experimenting with it at 98)... but I haven't ran the gamut of viewing yet, and it might be that the sources aren't great.
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Just curious, when you say your settings on Cinema Pro, do you mean the 2 point settings you posted several months ago? I had tried using those for a little while before switching over to Paul's bt.1886 settings, but I'm not sure which I prefer (the difference is so small, yours are deeper and cooler, Paul's are a little brighter and slightly greener). Was just curious if you had abandoned those or were still using them. I'm finding that Paul's bt.1886 is nice but seems a tad blown out on the highlights with the contrast at max for SDR content (been experimenting with it at 98)... but I haven't ran the gamut of viewing yet, and it might be that the sources aren't great.
Yes, those are the ones...

Source material matters, using the bt.1886 for local antenna HD there are some programs where the contrast is a little to much @ max, but if I back it down to 94 its fine. Using the same setting on Netflix/Prime I don't have any issues with the contrast.

I like having 2 good settings, that way you can go between them and see what they are doing with the image.

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Off topic but what do you have against Attenborough? The man is an ICON.

I have Blue Planet II and Planet Earth II and the both look absolutely amazing with Paul's settings. Thank you sir!


As for the question on Mr. A, this is not the place for such a discussion....not sure if they have even a place for issues like that here on AVS.
Lets just say "icon" is not an attribute I or those I know would associate with him. But each to their own as they say.

All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.
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