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post #661 of 737 Old 06-26-2019, 10:58 PM
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If you are watching something that is HDR it shows the HDR logo on top right in the Picture Adjustments menu....


Watching a 4K HDR Blu-ray is looks something like this
Picture adjustments
HDMI2_________________HDR

Watching a 4K HDR YouTube video is looks something like this
Picture adjustments
Apps(Video)_____________HDR


If HDR doesn't show up then you are not watching HDR content.
Just wanted to thank you guys for posting this tip

I replaced my hdmi cables with Monoprice [email protected] HDR 18GB/s hdmi cables, and amazon has them for only $13.50 for two of them!

Loaded up Uncharted 4 on my PS4 and...the little hdr logo showed up in picture adjustments
Switched over to Media Player and set to play the Martian 4K HDR...again HDR logo showed up

HDMI 2 and HDMI 4 both support HDR, just like you guys said, thanks!
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outputting a 720p source at 1080i is bad juju. I used a Tivo for several years. It supported Native, that worked well.
Thank you guys! That made the trick! Instead of being in auto mode the Tivo made everything 1080i. I have also bought a HDMI switch that solved the PS4 problem I posted about earlier
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New calibrated BT.1886 and HDR settings for the X900F. If unfamiliar with BT.1886, see link at bottom of post.


SDR/HDR 2.2 Power Law gamma Calibration (generic sRGB)
Good for HDR gaming, Sports, and other Live TV content
Custom
Warm
Brightness 3 (HDR Max)
Contrast Max
Gamma 0
Black level 50
LD High
X-tended Off (HDR Medium/High)
Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain -2
G-Gain -8
B-Gain -19 
R-Bias -12
G-Bias -11
B-Bias -17

10 Point
Point 1 7 7 6
Point 2 4 3 0
Point 3 0 0 -2
Point 4 2 1 0
Point 5 0 -1 1
Point 6 -1 -1 1
Point 7 -1 -1 0
Point 8 0 0 0
Point 9 0 0 0
Point 10 1 0 2

SDR BT.1886 2.4 gamma
Cinema Home
Expert 2
Brightness 3 (for 100cd/m)
Contrast Max
Gamma Min
Black level 50
LD user preference
X-tended not recommended for SDR
Color 51
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -6
R-Bias 13
G-Bias 14
B-Bias 9

10 Point Expert 2
Point 1 19 18 8
Point 2 5 5 2
Point 3 -2 -1 0
Point 4 0 -1 -1
Point 5 -2 -2 -1
Point 6 -3 -3 -1
Point 7 -2 -3 0
Point 8 -2 -2 -1
Point 9 -1 -1 0
Point 10 0 -1 2

HDR10 (Dolby Vision set contrast to Max)
Cinema Pro
Expert 1
Brightness Max *
Contrast 92 *
Gamma 0
Black level 50
LD High *
X-tended Medium *
Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -5
B-Gain -5
R-Bias -2
G-Bias 2
B-Bias -5

10 Point Expert 1
Point 1 2 0 -5
Point 2 -6 -5 -1
Point 3 -7 -7 -6
Point 4 -7 -8 -8
Point 5 -6 -4 -4
Point 6 -4 -4 -4
Point 7 0 0 0
Point 8 0 0 -4
Point 9 0 0 -2
Point 10 0 0 0

*These settings combined as specified, result in most accurate tone mapping and up to almost 800nit peak HDR brightness. Other combinations of these settings resulted in less peak brightness, and other luminance short comings. X-tended at High for instance produced less peak luminance, and actually got darker at 100%, dropping in brightness from 80%. HCFR for HDR settings were tested at 1000, 2000, and 4000 MaxCLL, curves tracked well in all, the variations are only in the rolloff which cannot be adjusted.

http://www.spectracal.com/Documents/...rs/BT.1886.pdf

https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r...3-I!!PDF-E.pdf
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Are the 2-point and 10-point SET specific? Or would they work with for anyone with an X900F TV? I've set my settings to what you have listed, EXCEPT the 2point and 10point.

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Are the 2-point and 10-point SET specific? Or would they work with for anyone with an X900F TV? I've set my settings to what you have listed, EXCEPT the 2point and 10point.

The 2pt & 10pt are not set specific, but YMMV when applying them. Due to variants from panel to panel, and with the phosphorus coating of the LEDS one or more of the RGB hues can be more pronounced than the others. This is were the 2pt & 10pt adjustments come in to play, it's to balance out the RGB hues so all colors look accurate. That being said, using them "Your milage may very" but they should get you closer than the defaults.

Apply the 2pt first, then 10pt if needed
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I would say take all these settings with a huge grain of sand. If we just ignore the the variability between individual panels over the life cycle and sizes. You also have the expertise of the calibrater, the quality of the tools, the environment etc, come in to play.

Those of us doing things at home typically are using some variation of x-write i1 display colorimeter. The i1 display is a colorimeter with considerable variation from unit to unit. Colorimeters are filter based and subject to deterioration with age. Further they come with different levels of offsets provided by the manufacturer or calibration software vendors.

Now a pro typically has a spectrometer as well as a colorimeter. The pro uses the spectrometer, a reference level device, to measure red, green, blue and white on the individual display first then measures again with colorimeter these measurements are entered in the software and creates offsets that ensure the colorimter as accurate. The colorimeter is fast, the spectro is accurate. Used together in this way gives the colorimter the accuracy of the spectro. Reference grade spectros are very expensive so are well beyond all but the most serious and well heeled of enthusiast home calibrators.

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What @capncrunch and @gtgray are saying make perfect sense, but we make do. I do have a question relating to those subjects though.

I tried out @Anderegg 's settings and they look amazing in HDR. Just perfection, and so much better than the set looked out of the box. However, the SDR settings he provided look terrible on my set. Everybody looks sunburned. Within half an hour I had to switch. I tried a couple more SDR settings people had posted, and finally settled on from early in this thread that looks a lot better (at least skin tones seem natural), but it's still not amazing. Good enough to live with I suppose. My question is, if it truly is an issue of phosphorous coating on the LEDs causing my red's to be more pronounced, why does HDR look natural and lifelike, but SDR looks terrible using settings from the same calibrator? Is there something inherently different about how HDR and SDR is displayed -- besides the max brightness of the backlight?
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Which SDR settings did you use? BT1886 is the preferred. For any SDR settings, please ensure the Xtended Dynamic Range and Live Color are turned off, or you def will get weird oversaturated colors. Your panel may have variations, and also, HDR tone maps differently than SDR, so it is not beyond reason that one would work while the other would look different, even assuming a panel variation.

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What @capncrunch and @gtgray are saying make perfect sense, but we make do. I do have a question relating to those subjects though.

I tried out @Anderegg 's settings and they look amazing in HDR. Just perfection, and so much better than the set looked out of the box. However, the SDR settings he provided look terrible on my set. Everybody looks sunburned. Within half an hour I had to switch. I tried a couple more SDR settings people had posted, and finally settled on from early in this thread that looks a lot better (at least skin tones seem natural), but it's still not amazing. Good enough to live with I suppose. My question is, if it truly is an issue of phosphorous coating on the LEDs causing my red's to be more pronounced, why does HDR look natural and lifelike, but SDR looks terrible using settings from the same calibrator? Is there something inherently different about how HDR and SDR is displayed -- besides the max brightness of the backlight?

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2 Point
R-Gain -2
G-Gain -8
B-Gain -19 
R-Bias -12
G-Bias -11
B-Bias -17
The objective of 2-pt is to balance the three colours, and that can be achieved by adjusting only 2 of the 3 colours. Adjusting all three colours will affect the Contrast and Brightness.

In this particular example, the “correct” adjustments would be something like
R-Gain 0
G-Gain -6
B-Gain -17
R-Bias -1
G-Bias 0
B-Bias -6

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I just got my 900F and I'm getting it set up while catching up on this thread, but I have a few questions.

When you have "(HDR Max)" or "(HDR Medium/High)", does that mean to use that setting when viewing HDR content and the rest is SDR? I assume so, which maybe explains why when I checked YouTube for 4K content the Alita trailer's blacks looked washed out?

Also, I see the 1st settings are for "HDR gaming, Sports, and other Live TV" and the 3rd are for HDR10/DV content, what is the 2nd settings recommended for?

My setup will be..
HDMI 1 - DirecTV
HDMI 2 - Denon 8500 (passing through PS4 Pro with HDR games, Dune using non-4K content, and a Zidoo with 4K content.

Guessing settings #1 and #3 respectively?

Thanks guys, been reading multiple threads for 8 months now so trying to apply previously read knowledge.


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New calibrated BT.1886 and HDR settings for the X900F. If unfamiliar with BT.1886, see link at bottom of post.


SDR/HDR 2.2 Power Law gamma Calibration (generic sRGB)
Good for HDR gaming, Sports, and other Live TV content
Custom
Warm
Brightness 3 (HDR Max)
Contrast Max
Gamma 0
Black level 50
LD High
X-tended Off (HDR Medium/High)
Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain -2
G-Gain -8
B-Gain -19&#1 94;&#1 60;
R-Bias -12
G-Bias -11
B-Bias -17

10 Point
Point 1 7 7 6
Point 2 4 3 0
Point 3 0 0 -2
Point 4 2 1 0
Point 5 0 -1 1
Point 6 -1 -1 1
Point 7 -1 -1 0
Point 8 0 0 0
Point 9 0 0 0
Point 10 1 0 2

SDR BT.1886 2.4 gamma
Cinema Home
Expert 2
Brightness 3 (for 100cd/m)
Contrast Max
Gamma Min
Black level 50
LD user preference
X-tended not recommended for SDR
Color 51
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -6
R-Bias 13
G-Bias 14
B-Bias 9

10 Point Expert 2
Point 1 19 18 8
Point 2 5 5 2
Point 3 -2 -1 0
Point 4 0 -1 -1
Point 5 -2 -2 -1
Point 6 -3 -3 -1
Point 7 -2 -3 0
Point 8 -2 -2 -1
Point 9 -1 -1 0
Point 10 0 -1 2

HDR10 (Dolby Vision set contrast to Max)
Cinema Pro
Expert 1
Brightness Max *
Contrast 92 *
Gamma 0
Black level 50
LD High *
X-tended Medium *
Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -5
B-Gain -5
R-Bias -2
G-Bias 2
B-Bias -5

10 Point Expert 1
Point 1 2 0 -5
Point 2 -6 -5 -1
Point 3 -7 -7 -6
Point 4 -7 -8 -8
Point 5 -6 -4 -4
Point 6 -4 -4 -4
Point 7 0 0 0
Point 8 0 0 -4
Point 9 0 0 -2
Point 10 0 0 0

*These settings combined as specified, result in most accurate tone mapping and up to almost 800nit peak HDR brightness. Other combinations of these settings resulted in less peak brightness, and other luminance short comings. X-tended at High for instance produced less peak luminance, and actually got darker at 100%, dropping in brightness from 80%. HCFR for HDR settings were tested at 1000, 2000, and 4000 MaxCLL, curves tracked well in all, the variations are only in the rolloff which cannot be adjusted.

http://www.spectracal.com/Documents/...rs/BT.1886.pdf

https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r...3-I!!PDF-E.pdf

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For best results, use the BT1886 settings for SDR, and the HDR settings for HDR. The other generic settings are a single profile that can work "so-so" for both SDR and HDR, say for a PC or if you are too lazy to switch picture modes when content changes. A good example would be if you have an Xbox or Playstation that would switch itself between SDR and HDR depending ont he game and you don't want to chase picture modes each time. For watching TV and movies, your best settings will be the BT1886 and HDR specific ones.

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I just got my 900F and I'm getting it set up while catching up on this thread, but I have a few questions.

When you have "(HDR Max)" or "(HDR Medium/High)", does that mean to use that setting when viewing HDR content and the rest is SDR? I assume so, which maybe explains why when I checked YouTube for 4K content the Alita trailer's blacks looked washed out?

Also, I see the 1st settings are for "HDR gaming, Sports, and other Live TV" and the 3rd are for HDR10/DV content, what is the 2nd settings recommended for?

My setup will be..
HDMI 1 - DirecTV
HDMI 2 - Denon 8500 (passing through PS4 Pro with HDR games, Dune using non-4K content, and a Zidoo with 4K content.

Guessing settings #1 and #3 respectively?

Thanks guys, been reading multiple threads for 8 months now so trying to apply previously read knowledge.

Sony X900F SDR and HDR Calibrations https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57551552
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With all these calibrations I tried plugging them in but everbody setup is different....I have an appointment with an isf calibrator next month. I'm excited!
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I know this might be frowned upon here but does anyone have any HDR settings to help make colors pop more?

I've been using a variation of Cinema Pro and it looks great but hoping to find something that gives more saturation and color pop.
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I know this might be frowned upon here but does anyone have any HDR settings to help make colors pop more?

I've been using a variation of Cinema Pro and it looks great but hoping to find something that gives more saturation and color pop.
If you havent tried mine or Anderegg settings from the links on the first page you may want to play with those, and for more colour pop, just incease the color setting to your liking (not live colour)

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For best results, use the BT1886 settings for SDR, and the HDR settings for HDR. The other generic settings are a single profile that can work "so-so" for both SDR and HDR, say for a PC or if you are too lazy to switch picture modes when content changes. A good example would be if you have an Xbox or Playstation that would switch itself between SDR and HDR depending ont he game and you don't want to chase picture modes each time. For watching TV and movies, your best settings will be the BT1886 and HDR specific ones.

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Thanks for the clarification. My new issue is the installer has everything going through the Denon to HDMI 2 of my 900F, which is great but that means I'll have to switch settings depending on what I watch. I wish the TV had setting profiles you could flip but I'll come up with a plan.

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Thanks for the clarification. My new issue is the installer has everything going through the Denon to HDMI 2 of my 900F, which is great but that means I'll have to switch settings depending on what I watch. I wish the TV had setting profiles you could flip but I'll come up with a plan.
It's amazing that something as commonly used as the picture mode/profile wouldn't have it's own button, when they have so many useless buttons o the remote such as help, audio, four different colored buttons, and sync menu...really, I never use any of those. The issue is even more annoying if you use the built in aps like Amazon or YouTube, where the same signal may switch to HDR or SDR, but you are left to manually go into the slow to respond menu and change to your HDR or SDR mode to match. This part of the reason I rpovided a generic sRGB custom setting, for those who just can't be bothered to toggle.

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New calibrated BT.1886 and HDR settings for the X900F. If unfamiliar with BT.1886, see link at bottom of post.


SDR/HDR 2.2 Power Law gamma Calibration (generic sRGB)
Good for HDR gaming, Sports, and other Live TV content
Custom
Warm
Brightness 3 (HDR Max)
Contrast Max
Gamma 0
Black level 50
LD High
X-tended Off (HDR Medium/High)
Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain -2
G-Gain -8
B-Gain -19 
R-Bias -12
G-Bias -11
B-Bias -17

10 Point
Point 1 7 7 6
Point 2 4 3 0
Point 3 0 0 -2
Point 4 2 1 0
Point 5 0 -1 1
Point 6 -1 -1 1
Point 7 -1 -1 0
Point 8 0 0 0
Point 9 0 0 0
Point 10 1 0 2

SDR BT.1886 2.4 gamma
Cinema Home
Expert 2
Brightness 3 (for 100cd/m)
Contrast Max
Gamma Min
Black level 50
LD user preference
X-tended not recommended for SDR
Color 51
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -6
R-Bias 13
G-Bias 14
B-Bias 9

10 Point Expert 2
Point 1 19 18 8
Point 2 5 5 2
Point 3 -2 -1 0
Point 4 0 -1 -1
Point 5 -2 -2 -1
Point 6 -3 -3 -1
Point 7 -2 -3 0
Point 8 -2 -2 -1
Point 9 -1 -1 0
Point 10 0 -1 2

HDR10 (Dolby Vision set contrast to Max)
Cinema Pro
Expert 1
Brightness Max *
Contrast 92 *
Gamma 0
Black level 50
LD High *
X-tended Medium *
Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -5
B-Gain -5
R-Bias -2
G-Bias 2
B-Bias -5

10 Point Expert 1
Point 1 2 0 -5
Point 2 -6 -5 -1
Point 3 -7 -7 -6
Point 4 -7 -8 -8
Point 5 -6 -4 -4
Point 6 -4 -4 -4
Point 7 0 0 0
Point 8 0 0 -4
Point 9 0 0 -2
Point 10 0 0 0

*These settings combined as specified, result in most accurate tone mapping and up to almost 800nit peak HDR brightness. Other combinations of these settings resulted in less peak brightness, and other luminance short comings. X-tended at High for instance produced less peak luminance, and actually got darker at 100%, dropping in brightness from 80%. HCFR for HDR settings were tested at 1000, 2000, and 4000 MaxCLL, curves tracked well in all, the variations are only in the rolloff which cannot be adjusted.

http://www.spectracal.com/Documents/...rs/BT.1886.pdf

https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r...3-I!!PDF-E.pdf
'm struggling with understanding the way in which these three different sets of settings display when watching content from different sources. My sources are Input 3(Directv 1080i&720P&4K and Blue Ray disks) and Internal Netflix and Amazon. If I enter in all the settings does the setting detail like Color Temp, Brightness, Contrast, 2 Pt, 10 Pt, etc., tie to Picture Mode? In these settings that is Custom, Cinema Home, and Cinema Pro. If the answer is yes then what happens when I switch between Input 3 and internal apps. Is it all controlled automagically or do I have to go in and make the Picture Mode changes manually?

Sorry for what may seem like elementary operations to most but it's not easy to comprehend for me.

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'm struggling with understanding the way in which these three different sets of settings display when watching content from different sources. My sources are Input 3(Directv 1080i&720P&4K and Blue Ray disks) and Internal Netflix and Amazon. If I enter in all the settings does the setting detail like Color Temp, Brightness, Contrast, 2 Pt, 10 Pt, etc., tie to Picture Mode? In these settings that is Custom, Cinema Home, and Cinema Pro. If the answer is yes then what happens when I switch between Input 3 and internal apps. Is it all controlled automagically or do I have to go in and make the Picture Mode changes manually?

Sorry for what may seem like elementary operations to most but it's not easy to comprehend for me.
Sony has made sure to make this complicated and confusing, it is not your fault.

The only settings that are retained across picture modes, are the 10 point RGB offsets, which are locared below the gain and bias settings in each picture mode. The 10 point settings are stored in the previous menu Expert 1, 2, Warm,Cool Neutral options. When you change an input or a picture mode, if you select the same Expert 1, or Warm color temp, the 10 point settings you previously entered in any mode will be used. Other than those, every input, and every picture mode, is separate and adjustable on it's own. The 2 point gain and bias must be reentered for every input and mode, and below them you will see the 10 pjnt adjustments that you previously saved,a nd those will always be slaved to the Warm, Expert etc color temp selection in the previous menu screen. I hope that made sense.

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It's about paring Picture Modes and temps, this way you can switch between Pic modes depending on what your watching.

Picture Mode/Expert Colour

Cinema Pro/Expert 1 = HDR

Cinema Home/Expert 2 = BT. 1886

Custom/Warm = generic sRGB

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I have to run out right now but a quick look at the two answers above tells me that if I want it to be automatic I need to somehow have the HDR content on Netflix, Prime, and Directv switch to Cinema Pro/Expert 1 when the Sony senses HDR. And then back to Cinema Home/Expert 2 when it senses HD. Otherwise I will be constantly required to go back and forth to the menu when content surfing. That would be awful.

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Sony has made sure to make this complicated and confusing, it is not your fault.

The only settings that are retained across picture modes, are the 10 point RGB offsets, which are locared below the gain and bias settings in each picture mode. The 10 point settings are stored in the previous menu Expert 1, 2, Warm,Cool Neutral options. When you change an input or a picture mode, if you select the same Expert 1, or Warm color temp, the 10 point settings you previously entered in any mode will be used. Other than those, every input, and every picture mode, is separate and adjustable on it's own. The 2 point gain and bias must be reentered for every input and mode, and below them you will see the 10 pjnt adjustments that you previously saved,a nd those will always be slaved to the Warm, Expert etc color temp selection in the previous menu screen. I hope that made sense.

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Under Color/Adv. Color Temp I am offered RGB Gain and Bias. Then the menu offers Color Gamma Adjustment Points 1-10. I set it to 10 but no 10 pt adjustment is offered to me. Where is the the ability to adjust the 10 pts located? Then, in the menu, it has RGB Offset, all set at 0. In your settings you do not show anything for those offsets. Should those be adjusted.

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On another front, I am unable to get my hardwired Ethernet to work. It will not find my router. A search on this thread turns up no matches. Has anyone had a problem and found a fix?

Edit: Found the error. Main router was incorrectly wired. Great helpfrom Google WiFi help desk.

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Under Color/Adv. Color Temp I am offered RGB Gain and Bias. Then the menu offers Color Gamma Adjustment Points 1-10. I set it to 10 but no 10 pt adjustment is offered to me. Where is the the ability to adjust the 10 pts located? Then, in the menu, it has RGB Offset, all set at 0. In your settings you do not show anything for those offsets. Should those be adjusted.
Color gamma adjustment offsets 1-10 ARE the 10 point white balance system. Once you select Expert 1 or 2 or Warm and adjust these, they will remain saved under Expert 1 or 2 or Warm across the other inputs and picture modes, but you will need to change gain and bias (2 point) for each input, those do not carry over across inputs and modes.

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Color gamma adjustment offsets 1-10 ARE the 10 point white balance system. Once you select Expert 1 or 2 or Warm and adjust these, they will remain saved under Expert 1 or 2 or Warm across the other inputs and picture modes, but you will need to change gain and bias (2 point) for each input, those do not carry over across inputs and modes.

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I have not seen where I can put in those 10 pt. numbers. It's not in my menu system that I can find.

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I have not seen where I can put in those 10 pt. numbers. It's not in my menu system that I can find.
You see the Gain and Bias adjustments? Down arrow to the bottom of that menu screen...see those gamma point adjustments...that is where you adjust the 10 points. When you adjust those, you are adjusting the white balance you selected in the previous screen, such as Expert 1, 2, or Warm etc. If you change picture modes, and select the same white balance, Expert etc, then when you go to the 10 points again, the adjustments you previously made will still be there, because you select the white balance in one screen, and adjust it in the next, underneath the Gain and Bias 2 points that change to 0 when you change picture modes. Sony has made this more complicated and confusing than it needs to be.

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You see the Gain and Bias adjustments? Down arrow to the bottom of that menu screen...see those gamma point adjustments...that is where you adjust the 10 points. When you adjust those, you are adjusting the white balance you selected in the previous screen, such as Expert 1, 2, or Warm etc. If you change picture modes, and select the same white balance, Expert etc, then when you go to the 10 points again, the adjustments you previously made will still be there, because you select the white balance in one screen, and adjust it in the next, underneath the Gain and Bias 2 points that change to 0 when you change picture modes. Sony has made this more complicated and confusing than it needs to be.

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I see a "Color gamma adjustment points". Below it is a number. I clicked on it and moved the number from 1 to 10. But the only thing that shows up is R,G,and B Offset. And they only have one number to adjust. Your 10 pt shows four numbers to adjust for each of the 10 points. That entry form doesn't show up on my menu. Is there a setting earlier that I have to have set for the actual 10 pt adjustment to be offered? I am using Cinema Home and Cinema Pro as your settings call for.

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I see a "Color gamma adjustment points". Below it is a number. I clicked on it and moved the number from 1 to 10. But the only thing that shows up is R,G,and B Offset. And they only have one number to adjust. Your 10 pt shows four numbers to adjust for each of the 10 points. That entry form doesn't show up on my menu. Is there a setting earlier that I have to have set for the actual 10 pt adjustment to be offered? I am using Cinema Home and Cinema Pro as your settings call for.
First number is adjustment point, second is R offset, third is G offset, fourth is B offset.

Point 1, R, G, B
Point 2, R, G, B
Point 3, R, G, B
etc

Comprende? :-)

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First number is adjustment point, second is R offset, third is G offset, fourth is B offset.

Point 1, R, G, B
Point 2, R, G, B
Point 3, R, G, B
etc

Comprende? :-)

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I think it dawned on me. The number below the "Color gamma adjustment points" isn't the number of points but "the" point that is to be adjusted. Aha! Not very intuitive IMHO. Thanks for your patience.

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New calibrated BT.1886 and HDR settings for the X900F. If unfamiliar with BT.1886, see link at bottom of post.


SDR/HDR 2.2 Power Law gamma Calibration (generic sRGB)
Good for HDR gaming, Sports, and other Live TV content
Custom
Warm
Brightness 3 (HDR Max)
Contrast Max
Gamma 0
Black level 50
LD High
X-tended Off (HDR Medium/High)
Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain -2
G-Gain -8
B-Gain -19 
R-Bias -12
G-Bias -11
B-Bias -17

10 Point
Point 1 7 7 6
Point 2 4 3 0
Point 3 0 0 -2
Point 4 2 1 0
Point 5 0 -1 1
Point 6 -1 -1 1
Point 7 -1 -1 0
Point 8 0 0 0
Point 9 0 0 0
Point 10 1 0 2

SDR BT.1886 2.4 gamma
Cinema Home
Expert 2
Brightness 3 (for 100cd/m)
Contrast Max
Gamma Min
Black level 50
LD user preference
X-tended not recommended for SDR
Color 51
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -4
B-Gain -6
R-Bias 13
G-Bias 14
B-Bias 9

10 Point Expert 2
Point 1 19 18 8
Point 2 5 5 2
Point 3 -2 -1 0
Point 4 0 -1 -1
Point 5 -2 -2 -1
Point 6 -3 -3 -1
Point 7 -2 -3 0
Point 8 -2 -2 -1
Point 9 -1 -1 0
Point 10 0 -1 2

HDR10 (Dolby Vision set contrast to Max)
Cinema Pro
Expert 1
Brightness Max *
Contrast 92 *
Gamma 0
Black level 50
LD High *
X-tended Medium *
Color 50
Hue 0

2 Point
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -5
B-Gain -5
R-Bias -2
G-Bias 2
B-Bias -5

10 Point Expert 1
Point 1 2 0 -5
Point 2 -6 -5 -1
Point 3 -7 -7 -6
Point 4 -7 -8 -8
Point 5 -6 -4 -4
Point 6 -4 -4 -4
Point 7 0 0 0
Point 8 0 0 -4
Point 9 0 0 -2
Point 10 0 0 0

*These settings combined as specified, result in most accurate tone mapping and up to almost 800nit peak HDR brightness. Other combinations of these settings resulted in less peak brightness, and other luminance short comings. X-tended at High for instance produced less peak luminance, and actually got darker at 100%, dropping in brightness from 80%. HCFR for HDR settings were tested at 1000, 2000, and 4000 MaxCLL, curves tracked well in all, the variations are only in the rolloff which cannot be adjusted.

http://www.spectracal.com/Documents/...rs/BT.1886.pdf

https://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r...3-I!!PDF-E.pdf
im a llttle confused how to get to the BT.1886 setting. I mostly use my appletv 4k for Netflix hd/hdr/dolby vision. Also, amazon prime, Hulu ect... How would I set this setting in the appletv/sony settings? I have the appletv set to 4k Sdr. It auto switches if there's dolby vision or HDR. Chroma I have set to 4:4:4 and match range and frame rate.

Im just not sure how I get to the 1886 setting to enable it. I also have HDMI output to YCbCr should I change that to rgb high or low?

Im also confused by what you mean with "SDR/HDR 2.2 Power Law gamma Calibration " Do I have to change the settings in the Sony to 2.2 somewhere?
Thanks for the help
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The Xbox Netflix app does this also. Super annoying. I just stick with the TVs native Netflix app
Doesn't the tv Netflix app not output real Atmos? I thought it could only do dolby 5.1 or 7.1? Does having e-arc change that with the 950?
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