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Are you using these settings? Happy? Have you tried others?
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I have not. I'm out of town till next week Tuesday or Wednesday and will give it a try and post.


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Gamma setting isaw every one complain about hdr and dv look dimm
Actually im at the opposite ifeel its very bright on completely dark room with bias on
And alot of setting here suggest gamma to 0 on hdr
When itry them ifeel its too bright and yes the details is better but wheniset gamma to -2
It seems more depth on picture and ilove that but yes less detailed on dark scene so which one is right
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I just have to say that I'm so happy with my 65" X9005F. This is the best TV i have ever owned. Been mixing with settings from the settings thread. The picture quality is so good. I installed some bias lighting but sometimes I forget to turn it on and I'm still happy with picture quality.

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Video Options – All set to AUTO (bt2020)
Thanks for posting your settings!

Curious, does this mean that you are using BT2020 color space? Or that when set to Auto that is what it is picking?
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Gamma setting isaw every one complain about hdr and dv look dimm
Actually im at the opposite ifeel its very bright on completely dark room with bias on
And alot of setting here suggest gamma to 0 on hdr
When itry them ifeel its too bright and yes the details is better but wheniset gamma to -2
It seems more depth on picture and ilove that but yes less detailed on dark scene so which one is right
Cnet and I agree with you

Cine Pro and a -2 gamma does a great job on color depth.

I also need to set Black Level to 48 or 49 to get inky blacks.

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I also need to set Black Level to 48 or 49 to get inky blacks.



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Yep I find Black Level at 49 sets it perfect on the AVS709 clipping test pattern
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Yep I find Black Level at 49 sets it perfect on the AVS709 clipping test pattern
Hi, I agree with you for the gamma. Can you please give us all of you're setting. I have the x900f 55 in.

Thanks!!
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Hi, I agree with you for the gamma. Can you please give us all of you're setting. I have the x900f 55 in.



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Thanks for posting your settings!

Curious, does this mean that you are using BT2020 color space? Or that when set to Auto that is what it is picking?
BT2020 is the default for OTA HD, for HDMI inputs and streaming it's set to AUTO

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Yep I find Black Level at 49 sets it perfect on the AVS709 clipping test pattern
If your using gamma of 0 then Black Level 49 works with out crushing above black detail, but if your using Gamma of -1/-2 Black Level needs to be 50.

For HDR I use Gamma of 0, for SDR after adding the Medialight bias lighting I'm using Gamma -1

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So guys what settings are the best for you so far for "perfect blacks" Tried some but i cant decide.....
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THESE ARE OLDER SETTINGS, PLEASE SEE POST BELOW FOR UPDATED SETTINGS


https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57551552


Here is a quick and dirty 2 point calibration for local dimming on high under Cinema Pro or Home with Expert 1 or 2 default. Resulted in 2.15 gamma with 0.8dE. Basically pulls the blue and green down and is about as good as you can get for 2 point calibration on the X900F.

R-Gain -17
G-Gain -22
B-Gain -24
R-Bias Min
G-Bias -14
B-Bias Min

I then threw a 10 point calibration on top of the already precalibrated 2 point settings above. These resulted in 2.2 gamma, 0.20dE, 4000:1 contrast (slider set to max), and 0.025cd/m black level with 100cd/m peak brightness (brightness 7). Add these to Expert 1 or 2 under the above specified Cinema Pro or Home with local dimming set to high, all other options left to default norms. Your results may not be as accurate as I achieved (per panel differences), but the stock settings are so far off that these settings should provide a better experience. After you get your TV calibrated with these settings, you can then start messing around with the effects yuo want to add to them. These are white balance/gamma/color accuracy settings.

Pt R G B (minus sign is a negative value)
1: -1 -2 -17
2: -1 0 0
3: -7 -7 -5
4: -4 -5 -6
5: -1 -2 -3
6: -1 -2 -1
7: -4 -4 -2
8: -3 -2 -2
9: -2 -2 -2
10: 0 0 0

Results from HCFR using Xrite i1D3 meter.
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Here is a quick and dirty 2 point calibration for local dimming on high under Cinema Pro or Home with Expert 1 or 2 default. Resulted in 2.15 gamma with 0.8dE. Basically pulls the blue and green down and is about as good as you can get for 2 point calibration on the X900F.

R-Gain -17
G-Gain -22
B-Gain -24
R-Bias Min
G-Bias -14
B-Bias Min

I then threw a 10 point calibration on top of the already precalibrated 2 point settings above. These resulted in 2.2 gamma, 0.20dE, 4000:1 contrast (slider set to max), and 0.025cd/m black level with 100cd/m peak brightness (brightness 7). Add these to Expert 1 or 2 under the above specified Cinema Pro or Home with local dimming set to high, all other options left to default norms. Your results may not be as accurate as I achieved (per panel differences), but the stock settings are so far off that these settings should provide a better experience. After you get your TV calibrated with these settings, you can then start messing around with the effects yuo want to add to them. These are white balance/gamma/color accuracy settings.

Pt R G B (minus sign is a negative value)
1: -1 -2 -17
2: -1 0 0
3: -7 -7 -5
4: -4 -5 -6
5: -1 -2 -3
6: -1 -2 -1
7: -4 -4 -2
8: -3 -2 -2
9: -2 -2 -2
10: 0 0 0

Results from HCFR using Xrite i1D3 meter.

Just incorporated these settings and WOW! I'm viewing the picture in a bright, sunlit room so I'm curious what it'll look like tonight in a darkened environment. However, from what I currently see, I highly recommend other users give this try. (Changed settings from my post #11 settings.) Nice work, Anderegg!
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Here is a quick and dirty 2 point calibration for local dimming on high under Cinema Pro or Home with Expert 1 or 2 default. Resulted in 2.15 gamma with 0.8dE. Basically pulls the blue and green down and is about as good as you can get for 2 point calibration on the X900F.



R-Gain -17

G-Gain -22

B-Gain -24

R-Bias Min

G-Bias -14

B-Bias Min



I then threw a 10 point calibration on top of the already precalibrated 2 point settings above. These resulted in 2.2 gamma, 0.20dE, 4000:1 contrast (slider set to max), and 0.025cd/m black level with 100cd/m peak brightness (brightness 7). Add these to Expert 1 or 2 under the above specified Cinema Pro or Home with local dimming set to high, all other options left to default norms. Your results may not be as accurate as I achieved (per panel differences), but the stock settings are so far off that these settings should provide a better experience. After you get your TV calibrated with these settings, you can then start messing around with the effects yuo want to add to them. These are white balance/gamma/color accuracy settings.



Pt R G B (minus sign is a negative value)

1: -1 -2 -17

2: -1 0 0

3: -7 -7 -5

4: -4 -5 -6

5: -1 -2 -3

6: -1 -2 -1

7: -4 -4 -2

8: -3 -2 -2

9: -2 -2 -2

10: 0 0 0



Results from HCFR using Xrite i1D3 meter.


Thanks for sharing anders. I have a new i1 display pro arriving this week so it will be interesting to see any differing results. One slight difference I know I will have is I will be calibrating to 120 nit peak for SDR as my tv is in a living room with no real light control and can never get the room completely dark even at night.

One question I have is what you used for a pattern generator? I have HCFR ready to go via streaming to a chromecast, but I’ve seen a few post saying that chromecast may not be 100% bit perfect. Also did you use full screen or windowed patterns

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Just incorporated these settings and WOW! I'm viewing the picture in a bright, sunlit room so I'm curious what it'll look like tonight in a darkened environment. However, from what I currently see, I highly recommend other users give this try. (Changed settings from my post #11 settings.) Nice work, Anderegg!
Anderegg: Overall I very much like your settings, however, I noticed blooming in the white of the uniforms of the Dallas Cowboys. Is there a setting that I should change to correct this?
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Thanks for sharing anders. I have a new i1 display pro arriving this week so it will be interesting to see any differing results. One slight difference I know I will have is I will be calibrating to 120 nit peak for SDR as my tv is in a living room with no real light control and can never get the room completely dark even at night.

One question I have is what you used for a pattern generator? I have HCFR ready to go via streaming to a chromecast, but I’ve seen a few post saying that chromecast may not be 100% bit perfect. Also did you use full screen or windowed patterns

I found Chromecast VIA HDMI to be about the same as direct from the PC via HDMI. I will note that I get slight variations in gamma and levels when using Intel iGPU or Nvidia GPU HDMI outputs, even wit the same settings. These calibrations were done off of the integrated graphics. Increasing the brightness level (maybe 9 for 120?) will not alter the calibration, for those that are curious. Please remember to set your contrast first, and to enable w/gamma on the RGB, prior to attempting to calibrate. If you set the contrast to maximum, you will not have any clipping in full or limited levels. Also, calibrate with local dimming on and any additional BFI settings you will have for viewing, as these will alter gamma dramatically. I use a 50% size window pattern, as the larger the window, the lower your blacks, and I use black override instead of trying to track gamma to absolute zero, which only LED's can do.

I will be doing a second calibration tonight using the built in Chromecast on the TV. The built in apps and Chromecast are not HDMI sources, so they require a separate calibration for proper gamma tracking. The internal Chromecast shares the "apps" profile for saving calibrations wit the rest of the apps as well. Chromecast via external HDMI vs Chromecast internal, will give very different results on HCFR.

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Anderegg: Overall I very much like your settings, however, I noticed blooming in the white of the uniforms of the Dallas Cowboys. Is there a setting that I should change to correct this?
Blooming? Explain. Blooming on an X900F is typically what you call black areas that are backlight by adjacent brighter patches of screen, mostly a problem with small bright object on dark scenes in HDR. The closer you get to nailing calibration, the less HDR blooming is a problem. Watching Cloverfield Paradox on Netflix right now trying to find visible blooming (it's a letterbox Dolby Vision space movie), and I am having a very hard time seeing any with my new settings.

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Blooming? Explain. Blooming on an X900F is typically what you call black areas that are backlight by adjacent brighter patches of screen, mostly a problem with small bright object on dark scenes in HDR. The closer you get to nailing calibration, the less HDR blooming is a problem. Watching Cloverfield Paradox on Netflix right now trying to find visible blooming (it's a letterbox Dolby Vision space movie), and I am having a very hard time seeing any with my new settings.

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I'm using the term blooming similar to the old CRT problem of blooming: Loss of detail. It's somewhat like black crush, only it's white, with a "silvery, shimmering" look.

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I will be doing a second calibration tonight using the built in Chromecast on the TV. The built in apps and Chromecast are not HDMI sources, so they require a separate calibration for proper gamma tracking. The internal Chromecast shares the "apps" profile for saving calibrations wit the rest of the apps as well. Chromecast via external HDMI vs Chromecast internal, will give very different results on HCFR.



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Save your time, changing the picture settings on the internal chromecast on the 900f does nothing to the picture itself. Stupid bug I hope is patched out. Apparently it’s the same on some vizios also
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Save your time, changing the picture settings on the internal chromecast on the 900f does nothing to the picture itself. Stupid bug I hope is patched out. Apparently it’s the same on some vizios also
This is a completely inaccurate statement. I have previously adjusted using the internal Chromecast, and I can assure you picture profiles, as well as white balance gamma adjustments do indeed alter the picture as you would expect them to.

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This is a completely inaccurate statement. I have previously adjusted using the internal Chromecast, and I can assure you picture profiles, as well as white balance gamma adjustments do indeed alter the picture as you would expect them to.



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Sorry, it doesn’t. I’m literally sitting here now with remote in hand. Stream test patterns from hcfr to the 900f internal chromecast, the picture controls do nothing, moving color setting up or down does nothing to color. Black level does nothing. The only things that seems to do anything is the brightness control.

Test it for yourself. Bring up a color patter via the chromecast, or anything really, and move the color setting up and down, you will see it does nothing
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Sorry, it doesn’t. I’m literally sitting here now with remote in hand. Stream test patterns from hcfr to the 900f internal chromecast, the picture controls do nothing, moving color setting up or down does nothing to color. Black level does nothing. The only things that seems to do anything is the brightness control
When you say does nothing to color, do you mean on the screen or the RGB on HCFR? Any chance you are on simulated meter config for the sensor? I've spent a few hours adjusting on the internal Chromecast with HCFR, so there is something wrong with your specific HCFR or TV setup preventing yours from working properly. You may have a bug.

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Here is a quick and dirty 2 point calibration for local dimming on high under Cinema Pro or Home with Expert 1 or 2 default. Resulted in 2.15 gamma with 0.8dE. Basically pulls the blue and green down and is about as good as you can get for 2 point calibration on the X900F.

R-Gain -17
G-Gain -22
B-Gain -24
R-Bias Min
G-Bias -14
B-Bias Min

I then threw a 10 point calibration on top of the already precalibrated 2 point settings above. These resulted in 2.2 gamma, 0.20dE, 4000:1 contrast (slider set to max), and 0.025cd/m black level with 100cd/m peak brightness (brightness 7). Add these to Expert 1 or 2 under the above specified Cinema Pro or Home with local dimming set to high, all other options left to default norms. Your results may not be as accurate as I achieved (per panel differences), but the stock settings are so far off that these settings should provide a better experience. After you get your TV calibrated with these settings, you can then start messing around with the effects yuo want to add to them. These are white balance/gamma/color accuracy settings.

Pt R G B (minus sign is a negative value)
1: -1 -2 -17
2: -1 0 0
3: -7 -7 -5
4: -4 -5 -6
5: -1 -2 -3
6: -1 -2 -1
7: -4 -4 -2
8: -3 -2 -2
9: -2 -2 -2
10: 0 0 0

Results from HCFR using Xrite i1D3 meter.
Looking forward to trying these, thanks! Do these apply to both SDR and HDR content, or just SDR?
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Sorry, it doesn’t. I’m literally sitting here now with remote in hand. Stream test patterns from hcfr to the 900f internal chromecast, the picture controls do nothing, moving color setting up or down does nothing to color. Black level does nothing. The only things that seems to do anything is the brightness control.

Test it for yourself. Bring up a color patter via the chromecast, or anything really, and move the color setting up and down, you will see it does nothing
I am not sure what you mean by color setting, but I am currently running internal Chromecast sweeps, and throttling the R-Gain up and down and watching the pattern boxes shift color dramatically, and seeing the HCFR RGB levels swing from 50% to 140% (the red line), so I can assure you it's a functional system (HCFR and internal Chromecast). The black level...I believe that is an HDMI only function, as the black level on apps is fixed and different from the default 50 black level on HDMI. This is why I stated previously that you need to do a separate calibration for apps using internal Chromecast for proper gamma curve with the built in apps.

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Looking forward to trying these, thanks! Do these apply to both SDR and HDR content, or just SDR?
The X900F uses the same white balance settings for SDR and HDR. It takes the SDR settings and remaps them properly for HDR10, HLG, or DV.

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Am i correct in what I’m seeing Paul that the 10 point white balance applies across all inputs, but the 2 point can be adjusted individually for each input?
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Am i correct in what I’m seeing Paul that the 10 point white balance applies across all inputs, but the 2 point can be adjusted individually for each input?
Yes, Expert 1 and 2, AKA "10 point white balance", will travel across the entire TV in all inputs and modes. Basic Gain and Bias, AKA "2 point white balance", must be manually entered into every input and mode...very annoying.

Here is my finalized APPS 2+10 point white balance calibration. The previous calibrations were for HDMI inputs. As you will see in the numbers below, there is quite a large variation on the white balance and gamma HDMI vs internal APPS. These got me 2.2 gamma, 0.25dE, 2700:1 contrast at 100cd/m with a 0.036cd/m black level. Brightness was 7, and these settings were calibrated for local dimming high Cinema Pro or Home and the rest stock settings.

Basic 2 point

R-Gain -19
G-Gain -24
B-Gain -26
R-Bias -15
G-Bias -11
B-Bias Min

Expert 1 or 2 10 point

Pt R G B (minus sign is a negative value)
1: 1 2 5
2: -8 -8 -10
3: -17 -14 -11
4: -9 -11 -10
5: -12 -11 -10
6: -11 -10 -7
7: -10 -10 -7
8: -10 -9 -7
9: -10 -9 -8
10: -8 -7 -5
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Cnet and I agree with you

Cine Pro and a -2 gamma does a great job on color depth.

I also need to set Black Level to 48 or 49 to get inky blacks.

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Yesterday itried new combination set motion to clear and gamma to 0 for hdr and dolby vision very very impressive result
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Apple TV 4k / cable box / ps4 pro / ps4 pro hdr

Cinema home / cinema home / game / game
Auto picture mode on (my Apple TV and PS4 go through my receiver so this switches to game mode automatically when I turn on my PS4. Also, the PS4 main menu has some banding if you manually switch to game mode, none if it auto switches.)
Brightness - 35 / 35 / 25 / max
Color - 50
Light sensor - on
Contrast - 90 (max for PS4 hdr)
Gamma - 0
Black level - 50
Black adjust - off
Adv contrast - off
Auto local dimming - medium
Xtended dynamic range - off (high for PS4 hdr)
Hue - 0
Color temp - expert 1
Adv color temp - Anderegg’s settings (thanks! They look great! I was using rtings previously, but yours are better.)
Live color - off
Sharpness - 50
Reality - off
Random noise - off (auto for cable box)
Digital noise - off (auto for cable box)
Smooth gradation - off (low for cable box)
Motionflow - true cinema / true cinema / off / off
Cinemotion - high / high / off / off

I watch tv mostly at night with the lights off and my medialight quad on. I’ve been running it at 40% lately.

I do not use hdr on my Apple TV 4k ( I know, I know.) The blooming in the black bars is way too distracting for me and the bias light can’t mask it. I’m much happier watching everything in sdr. It’s still bright, colorful, I can see all the shadow detail and the black bars are inky with the bias light. I’m just happier that way. I also have frame matching off. I’ve gone back and forth and to me it seems like the tv does a better job of handling motion with true cinema and cinemotion than it does getting a direct 24p signal.

I still use hdr for games of course.
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@Anderegg

I loaded up both your settings for HDMI and built in apps, and they both look great. I can see the brightness difference between the 2 using Pro Cinema/Expert1 (HDMI) and Home Cinema/Expert2 (Apps) and switching between the 2.

For the HDMI settings playing Ender's Game in 4K HDR disk the blooming was noticeable in the black bars, but not to distracting, and for standard Blu-ray it was perfect.

I'm using my standard defaults from my settings post with your 2-10pt added.

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