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Almost done setting up my new Sony and loving it. The developer mode tricks really increased the interface speed. One option I cannot find the answer to though related to audio out. I’m using arc to my Sony Soundbar that is capable of DD+ and DTS. Should I use Auto 1 or 2?


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Sony 900e prompted for a software update. Clicked OK and tv has now sat for over an hour showing the four multicolored android circles.Working or bricked?
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Sony 900e prompted for a software update. Clicked OK and tv has now sat for over an hour showing the four multicolored android circles.Working or bricked?
Fixed through customer service. Internet issue interrupted the download.All good.
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Sony 900e prompted for a software update. Clicked OK and tv has now sat for over an hour showing the four multicolored android circles.Working or bricked?
Working. It should reboot once and then completely power off.
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Almost all of my media consumption on my x900f comes from an Xbox One S. Streaming apps, 4k and regular blu ray and YouTubeTV.

Should I use sd / hd picture settings for the YTTV app or SDR HDR settings because I'm streaming from an Xbox One S?

(I'm sure this doesn't make sense, I'm struggling to type what I'm thinking lol).
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Hi, check these settings which I took from other forum avforums.com
The man wrote that these are from real calibrator for 65 inch XBR900F.

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1. SDR DARK ROOM

Brightness 14
Contrast 90
Gamma -2
black level 50
Black adjust,
adv contrast off
x-tended range off
Auto local dimming Medium
Colour 50
Expert 2
Live colour off

RED gain -3
GREEN gain Max
BLUE gain -4
RED bias 0
GREEN bias 0
BLUE bias 0
colour gamut
PT. 1, 2, 4, 5, 8 , 10 = red 0, green 0, blue 0
3 PT = red 0, green 0, blue 2
6 PT = red 0, green 0, blue -2
7 PT = red 0, green 0, blue -1
9 PT = red 5, green 0, blue 8

Sharpness 50
Reality creation off
Resolution min
Random & digital noise off
Smooth grad Low
True Cinema
Film mode Low

All video options auto
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2. Cinema home – day mode calibration

Brightness 35
Contrast 95
Gamma 0
black level 50 Black adjust,
adv contrast off
x-tended range off
Auto local dimming Medium

Colour 50
Expert 2
RED gain -3
GREEN gain Max
BLUE gain -4
RED bias 0
GREEN bias 0
BLUE bias 0
colour gamut
PT. 1, 2, 4, 5, 8 , 10 = red 0, green 0, blue 0
3 PT = red 0, green 0, blue 2
6 PT = red 0, green 0, blue -2
7 PT = red 0, green 0, blue -1
9 PT = red 5, green 0, blue 8

Sharpness 50
Reality creation off
Resolution min
Random & digital noise off
Smooth grad Low

True Cinema Custom
smoothness 2
clearness 1
Film mode Low

All video options auto
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3. HDR AND DOLBY VISSION

Brightness Max
Contrast Max
Gamma 0
Black level 50 Black adjust
adv contrast off
x-tended range off (High) (DV High)
Auto local dimming Medium
Colour 50
Expert 2
Live colour off

RED gain -3
GREEN gain Max
BLUE gain -4
RED bias 0
GREEN bias 0
BLUE bias 0
colour gamut
PT. 1, 2, 4, 5, 8 , 10 = red 0, green 0, blue 0
3 PT = red 0, green 0, blue 2
6 PT = red 0, green 0, blue -2
7 PT = red 0, green 0, blue -1
9 PT = red 5, green 0, blue 8

Sharpness 50
Reality creation off Resolution min
Random & digital noise off
Smooth grad Off
True Cinema
Film mode Low

All video options auto
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Simple put on Cinema Pro.

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Hi everyone, just a question. How did you fix the contrast? I am not able to fix it within bar 234 using a classic pattern even with contrast up to 100. I am wondering wheter is that a common behavior of the x900f or just my tv has something wrong. I am still in time to return it, so I would really appreciate any help. Thank you so much
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I would think this has been explained already...might as well ask what exactly visually are you seeing as deficient, or are you just ADHD on absolutely needing to hard clip white at 235 at max TV set brightness for some special religious obligation to God?

If you are not already aware, turning down the contrast will expose additional levels above the clipping seen at Max. If you want to overdrive the white level activate LD on high, X-tended DR on high, and maybe Advanced Contrast to high...this should blow out any offending dynamic range and detail that you are finding distracting. *sarcasm off :-P

In all seriousness though, what you are asking is similar to asking for a car that must absolutely at all costs be limited to the exact speed limit, or you return it...

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Hi everyone, just a question. How did you fix the contrast? I am not able to fix it within bar 234 using a classic pattern even with contrast up to 100. I am wondering wheter is that a common behavior of the x900f or just my tv has something wrong. I am still in time to return it, so I would really appreciate any help. Thank you so much
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Hi Paul thank you for the message. It seems to me that Sony 's standard about contrast level exceeds the legal one and that's a fact. Many people consider positively that fact. And yes the car metaphor sounds good: it's like to have a car that runs only at 255 when the legal speed limit is 234, I would like to be under the limit but I can't. So I am not criticizing the fact that the contrast is not 'enough' to reach 234 but Sony itself that doesn't let you free to choose.
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Hi Paul thank you for the message. It seems to me that Sony 's standard about contrast level exceeds the legal one and that's a fact. Many people consider positively that fact. And yes the car metaphor sounds good: it's like to have a car that runs only at 255 when the legal speed limit is 234, I would like to be under the limit but I can't. So I am not criticizing the fact that the contrast is not 'enough' to reach 234 but Sony itself that doesn't let you free to choose.
I’d suggest you return it and buy a TV with lesser abilities. Sounds like the Sony is too good for your expectations.
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Your understanding of visual limits and levels is causing your confusion.

When set to limited your TV is showing you a 235 signal level, in which it has allowed 236-244 to be visible. A better analogy would be a codec like mp4, which can contain mpeg2 or h264. It seems you think that levels 235-244 are producing some sort of undesirable visual artifacts...if that is the case, please let us know the exact visual issue.

Also, I guarantee you if you reduce the contrast control, to minimum, you will be able to see 255...also, if you raise black level you will be able to see 0-15.

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Hi Paul thank you for the message. It seems to me that Sony 's standard about contrast level exceeds the legal one and that's a fact. Many people consider positively that fact. And yes the car metaphor sounds good: it's like to have a car that runs only at 255 when the legal speed limit is 234, I would like to be under the limit but I can't. So I am not criticizing the fact that the contrast is not 'enough' to reach 234 but Sony itself that doesn't let you free to choose.
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Hi everyone, just a question. How did you fix the contrast? I am not able to fix it within bar 234 using a classic pattern even with contrast up to 100. I am wondering wheter is that a common behavior of the x900f or just my tv has something wrong. I am still in time to return it, so I would really appreciate any help. Thank you so much


Once again there is nothing wrong with your X900F. What is wrong is your understanding of contrast and how to set it correctly
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Thank you all for the prompt answers. My concern is due to both my ignorance about calibration and experience with many projectors I owned lately (Epson and 3 jvc models 2013-2017. All of them have been professionally calibrated and always the contrast was set to 234. I was told that was the correct setting. And actually the picture quality was always perfect compatible with the specific projector abilities. Now I wanted only to understand why with this tv is not possible to act in the same way. There are hundreds of experts advising to fix contrast within 234. I understand the capability of the tv to 'cover' a wider range but I am wondering if it is impact color, details in the highlights. Thank you very much.
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I have another question. Last night watching movies in HDR 4K from Amazon prime I have experienced gray letter bars instead of usual black ones. Have you guys ever experienced that situation? Thank you infinitely
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I have another question. Last night watching movies in HDR 4K from Amazon prime I have experienced gray letter bars instead of usual black ones. Have you guys ever experienced that situation? Thank you infinitely
I have experienced that with the internal Amazon Prime app, but not when watching on Amazon Prime through the AppleTV 4K. I think the internal Amazon app is the issue.
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Thank you all for the prompt answers. My concern is due to both my ignorance about calibration and experience with many projectors I owned lately (Epson and 3 jvc models 2013-2017. All of them have been professionally calibrated and always the contrast was set to 234. I was told that was the correct setting. And actually the picture quality was always perfect compatible with the specific projector abilities. Now I wanted only to understand why with this tv is not possible to act in the same way. There are hundreds of experts advising to fix contrast within 234. I understand the capability of the tv to 'cover' a wider range but I am wondering if it is impact color, details in the highlights. Thank you very much.
I see your fustration now, even though the calibration process is the same, your not going to get the same results on the test patterens due to the difference in the technologies. The LED/LCD is going to be brighter and have higher contrast than the projectors, so while you are able to calibrate the white level on the projector to the reference white level of 234, the LED/LCD contrast is much greater and able to calibrate to a higher white level even though those levels will get hard clipped just as the projector hard clips at 235-236.

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Since people say DV via the internal Netflix app looks dim, here are a few pics taken with my Note 9.






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I am going to guess here and say that those projector calibration instructions telling him to set white at 234, probably are meaning to decrease contrast until the white clip is NOT BELOW 235...also, the fact that he is "seeing" levels over 235 and now seeing levels below 16 tells me that he probably has a mismatch on his HDMI setting, and is feeding the TV limited but manually set his TV to full.

And I just need to say this again, usable real world real video will include up to 109%. What is 9% of 235 - 16? Roughly 20...there is your annoying "244" white signal you keep stubbornly complaining about. See below for yet another video clip shot with video levels showing you the 109% whites that exist everywhere...you cannot escape them, so just accept them and enjoy the TV, or return it for a Samsung which has a black low/high toggle instead of full/limited...see how much fun those white levels would be :-)





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I see your fustration now, even though the calibration process is the same, your not going to get the same results on the test patterens due to the difference in the technologies. The LED/LCD is going to be brighter and have higher contrast than the projectors, so while you are able to calibrate the white level on the projector to the reference white level of 234, the LED/LCD contrast is much greater and able to calibrate to a higher white level even though those levels will get hard clipped just as the projector hard clips at 235-236.
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Netflix Full screen "As Good As It Gets" It's hard to get the focus stable in a semi dark room with moving objects in the background.

Of Course the pics don't look as good or detailed as in person, but you get the idea of what the X900F can do.

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Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom 4K HDR

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Since people say DV via the internal Netflix app looks dim, here are a few pics taken with my Note 9.
Initially I was skeptical of owner claims that Netflix DV is dim. It looks fine to me and many others (pre and post Oreo update) and I figured that perhaps the people who are dissatisfied are watching SDR at overly bright levels. However the Oreo update states that a fix for Netflix DV is included. Perhaps some owners actually have a defective Netflix implementation after all. For those who are dissatisfied, I would highly encourage you to download the Oreo update and install via USB if a network update is not available. The VUDU Oreo issue has been fixed, and there isn't really a good reason to hold off on the firmware update from what I can see.
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Initially I was skeptical of owner claims that Netflix DV is dim. It looks fine to me and many others (pre and post Oreo update) and I figured that perhaps the people who are dissatisfied are watching SDR at overly bright levels. However the Oreo update states that a fix for Netflix DV is included. Perhaps some owners actually have a defective Netflix implementation after all. For those who are dissatisfied, I would highly encourage you to download the Oreo update and install via USB if a network update is not available. The VUDU Oreo issue has been fixed, and there isn't really a good reason to hold off on the firmware update from what I can see.
Same with me, DV on the internal Netflix app looked fine. Not sure what the OREO update did for Netflix DV content, if it actually did anything at all. Nothing with the DV content changed on my X900F.

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Since people say DV via the internal Netflix app looks dim, here are a few pics taken with my Note 9.






Awesome pics. Can't wait to receive mine, the wait is killing me.
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Same with me, DV on the internal Netflix app looked fine. Not sure what the OREO update did for Netflix DV content, if it actually did anything at all. Nothing with the DV content changed on my X900F.
Are the settings you are using up to date in your post on page 2? I might tinker with mine some to eliminate bar blooming (copy yours as a test). I noticed you run xtended dynamic range off even on HDR content although rtings suggests having it on high. I’m guessing turning mine down from high will help significantly with bar blooming.

I’ve been satisfied with mine for several months but there’s always potential improvements to be made.
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I tired tons of settings from here and none of them give me those kind of images as posted above.
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Same with me, DV on the internal Netflix app looked fine. Not sure what the OREO update did for Netflix DV content, if it actually did anything at all. Nothing with the DV content changed on my X900F. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG]
Are the settings you are using up to date in your post on page 2? I might tinker with mine some to eliminate bar blooming (copy yours as a test). I noticed you run xtended dynamic range off even on HDR content although rtings suggests having it on high. I’m guessing turning mine down from high will help significantly with bar blooming.

I’ve been satisfied with mine for several months but there’s always potential improvements to be made.
Those are my up to date settings I'm using. As for XDR, that is what Sony coined as their SDR to HDR conversion method. Aka, Fake HDR.

I actually prefer it off since brightness and contrast are maxed already, and with gamma at 0 the HDR is good enough. On some HDR10 movies I noticed that with XDR on high it was over exposing bright sceens making them look blown out.

About the only thing I thought XDR looked ok with on high was Altered Carbon on Netflix internal app. That show is naturally dark and it does help the DV aspect of it.

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OK, spent all of yesterday trying hard to get the most perfect gamma as possible, only to discover 8 hours in that my i1D3 meter has a serious issue with measurement color drift after being stuck to a TV for 8 hours! Long story short, the hours of calibrating were only good for training, and I redid them this morning, and the results are below. Final result was calibrated to 120ish cd/m at brightness 6, contrast MAX, with local dimming set to high. Resulting black level was 0.034cd/m, contrast around 3400:1, 2.2 flat gamma, remarkable 0.16dE average white balance error, with a 0.99dE for color checker dE. The point of this new calibration was to go beyond just getting a good white dE and 2.2 gamma, and to optimize the calibration for maximum possible brightness, which is why you see the weakest color gain left at Max, and the other brought down to match it, instead of just randomly bringing everything up and down.

Due to panel variances, you may or may not have an issue with strange color tint. Some have noticed a reddish hue to their TV after adding settings. The quick and dirty freestyle method to tweak those, is to adjust the 2 point GAIN color down or up until the offending hue goes away. Gain is color brightness, bias is color shadows...the 0% to 100% bias up to gain is your gamma...the lower the bias in relation to the gain, the larger the gamma value number will become. For ever 2 steps of gain you reduce, it will require maybe 1 step of the same color of bias to be removed as well. This calibration and gamma curve was achieved with local dimming on and contrast to maximum. There is no white clipping, and turning local dimming off with these settings will result in low range shadow gamma oddities, and maybe some crushed blacks. See HCFR screen grab below.

I am still working on the new APPS calibration. You can use the HDMI version for APPS, although not optimized, should still be workable. The biggest difference between HDMI and APPS calibrations is that HDMI on APPS will result in increased shadow gamma, meaning the shadows will fall below the highlights in luminance and color volume, typically referred to as crushed blacks.

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Brightness 6 for 120cd/m
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Local Dimming High
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R-Gain Max
G-Gain -6
B-Gain -7
R-Bias -14
G-Bias -11
B-Bias -18

10 Point
Point 1 -3 -2 -1
Point 2 -1 -1 -2
Point 3 -5 -3 -5
Point 4 -2 -1 -4
Point 5 -2 -1 -2
Point 6 -5 -4 -2
Point 7 -1 1 -2
Point 8 -5 -4 -3
Point 9 0 1 -4
Point 10 0 0 0

For those of you who have never had your TV calibrated, i am sure others who have will agree that the cost of the meter ($200) can and will increase the picture quality more than if you spent that money on a TV costing the same amount more as the meter itself. A proper calibration can make your Sony look like a completely different TV, and will absolutely put more expensive TV's with standard settings to shame.
I'm not too happy with the rtings recommended settings and will try yours this weekend. For any settings/values not mentioned above did you leave them at the default? Thank you for sharing your settings!

My setup: Sony 65X900F w/ Sony UBP-X700, Tivo Bolt 4k, AppleTV 4k (64GB), Sony HT-Z9F soundbar w/ Sony SAZ9R rear wireless speakers. TCL 4K 43" S405 w/ Sony UBP-X800, Tivo Mini 4k and Sony HT-XT100 soundbar.
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I have superceded those original settings with the new SDR and HDR calibrations in my signature...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57551552

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I'm not too happy with the rtings recommended settings and will try yours this weekend. For any settings/values not mentioned above did you leave them at the default? Thank you for sharing your settings!

Sony X900F SDR and HDR Calibrations https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57551552
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I have superceded those original settings with the new SDR and HDR calibrations in my signature...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57551552
Thank you! I'll try those on my set tonight.

My setup: Sony 65X900F w/ Sony UBP-X700, Tivo Bolt 4k, AppleTV 4k (64GB), Sony HT-Z9F soundbar w/ Sony SAZ9R rear wireless speakers. TCL 4K 43" S405 w/ Sony UBP-X800, Tivo Mini 4k and Sony HT-XT100 soundbar.
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