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Ty guys. Will update my list. Good to see someone reputable list the PX models for pre-order. That means I can hopefully stop updating my list soon. The intent of adding pricing is to eventually put the msrp. Will do that either if Vizio final does a press release announcing availability, adds the models to their website or enough retailer sell them. Vizio's inflated msrp and rapid price drops have been discussed enough.

Im looking at the PX or P as an upgrade to my 75nu8000 that i bought early this year. Waiting to see in person (yay! Costco) and/or see reputable reviews / posts. 75" is pretty bulky and not easy to install / swap / resell 2nd hand. Hoping for a big upgrade in PQ from my nu8000 ala brightness and color of pq65. Setting 2k as my max for the PX. Id pay 1.8k right now for a PQ75 (w/ reasonable blooming, no DSE and no FALD flickering) or a Q8FN (yes i can dream). Prefer getting a 75" P 2019 in the 1.2k to 1.5k range (see current TCL 75 6 series prices). Looking at the PQ65, TCL 75 6 series and Hisense H9F pricing over time think that might be doable by BF or spring 2020.

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Dreams are possible...if you don't mind buying open box. Check your Best Buy - I scored a clearance open box 75" Q8FN for $1250 a couple weeks ago. Added the 5 year geek squad warranty for $300 to calm my open box woes. I was originally holding out for the PQ or PQX, but those aren't going to be anywhere near that price until this time next year. Though if they're anything like the 2018 models, their prices are going to be discounted instantly at least. P75-F1 was announced at MSRP $2500 but dropped to $1800 at Costco a couple weeks later. I figure PQX will go on sale for around $2500.

And even though I'm not buying them, still looking forward to their reviews.

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Dreams are possible...if you don't mind buying open box. Check your Best Buy - I scored a clearance open box 75" Q8FN for $1250 a couple weeks ago. Added the 5 year geek squad warranty for $300 to calm my open box woes. I was originally holding out for the PQ or PQX, but those aren't going to be anywhere near that price until this time next year. Though if they're anything like the 2018 models, their prices are going to be discounted instantly at least. P75-F1 was announced at MSRP $2500 but dropped to $1800 at Costco a couple weeks later. I figure PQX will go on sale for around $2500.



And even though I'm not buying them, still looking forward to their reviews.
Nice score on the Q8FN. I would have done the same for more.

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Vizio’s website has been updated with all the new sets.
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43” is not there - smallest is 50
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Interesting that between announcement of the first post and today's listing on their site, they squeezed an extra 100 nits out of the P Series Quantum X, claiming it now does 3000 nits. I wonder if it's just for marketing or they actually did it? Looking forward to reviews testing the output.


Oh, and they bumped the P Series Quantum up to 1200 nits too.

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43” is not there - smallest is 50
We'll set our expectations real low on that one. It seems the 50" and below are the red headed stepkids of the line up w/400nit and 16zones on the 50", so we can assume 10zones on the 4e".

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We have official release: https://www.vizio.com/tvs.html


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Nice. Can't wait to see reviews on PQX 75".

If I didn't get the 82Q90R for a crazy deal, this was going to be the one for me, granted, I would have waited until it dropped a bit.
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We have official release: https://www.vizio.com/tvs.html

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PR blitz starting... Hopefully folks with review units can post their reviews and share impressions now.

For folks doing testing. It would be great if you can test if PQ65 issues are still present in 2019 models, specifically:
- Lost In Space intro top half pan FALD flickering + blooming
- Banding gradient
- DSE test
- Also interested in rtings blooming test -

43" still listed. $399 for 12 zones and quantum dots. Also have a lower version w/o QD and 10 zones. Are there any other 43" or smaller TVs with FALD w/ or w/o QD besides Vizio?

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The philips 43” is wonderful with QLED, 12 zones, hdr1000 (yes measured) and 7000:1 native contrast 170000:1 with local dimming, 98% DCIp3

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FYI Best Buy now has some of the new 2019 models available for pre-order, including the 65" & 75" PX, P, and M series. All of them are available Jun 12th.

These are likely going to get cut fairly significantly in price within the next 6 months like all Vizio TVs usually do, and you still run the risk of their typical panel lottery, so I would not advise getting a release model.
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Vizio P Series Quantum X Unboxing and Basic Setup: Big, Bright, and Bold

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Just watching the build quality from that video is pushing me towards an x900f
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Just watching the build quality from that video is pushing me towards an x900f
Its a Vizio? Just hope your not getting panel lottery and you wont need that 5 year extended warranty.

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PR blitz starting... Hopefully folks with review units can post their reviews and share impressions now.

For folks doing testing. It would be great if you can test if PQ65 issues are still present in 2019 models, specifically:
- Lost In Space intro top half pan FALD flickering + blooming
- Banding gradient https://youtu.be/YjWIXsCk2as
- DSE test https://youtu.be/_k4-ZZBQfYI
- Also interested in rtings blooming test - https://youtu.be/lBNQExntf7s

43" still listed. $399 for 12 zones and quantum dots. Also have a lower version w/o QD and 10 zones. Are there any other 43" or smaller TVs with FALD w/ or w/o QD besides Vizio?

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I was hoping that the 43" would be 32-64 zone 600nit powerhouse. Sad face.

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The philips 43” is wonderful with QLED, 12 zones, hdr1000 (yes measured) and 7000:1 native contrast 170000:1 with local dimming, 98% DCIp3

FreeSync support, remote, no tuner
Sadly the Philips is still around $800 at most retailers and edge lit, not Fald.
I looked at one for my Xbox one X, but most games are 30fps and the Freesync support on the Philips is 45-60 fps (Unless I'm mistaken).

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Sadly the Philips is still around $800 at most retailers and edge lit, not Fald.
I looked at one for my Xbox one X, but most games are 30fps and the Freesync support on the Philips is 45-60 fps (Unless I'm mistaken).

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Yeah, at CES it was announced that the 43" & 50" would only have 400 nits of peak brightness which ruled out any higher specs (which sucks). I honestly thought the 43" would be priced higher then $399 based on the pricing of the 50" at $549. But it's still $100 higher then the 43" V-Series with 10 Local Dimming Zones (vs 12 on the M). I have to wonder how much it's costing Vizio for those Quantum Dot Panels.

The one thing that would worry me about the 43" (and not just the brightness fluctuations) is the reverse blooming. In the digital trends video for the P Quantum X I could see it when the dashboard was loading. It bothered the hell out of me with the 43" and 50" E-Series. There would be a dark blob around bright portions of the screen, like clouds or people's faces against a darker background (like dark gray). It was very distracting.

The Philips monitor has a FreeSync range of 48Hz - 60Hz according the Rtings.
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Yeah, at CES it was announced that the 43" & 50" would only have 400 nits of peak brightness which ruled out any higher specs (which sucks). I honestly thought the 43" would be priced higher then $399 based on the pricing of the 50" at $549. But it's still $100 higher then the 43" V-Series with 10 Local Dimming Zones (vs 12 on the M). I have to wonder how much it's costing Vizio for those Quantum Dot Panels.



The one thing that would worry me about the 43" (and not just the brightness fluctuations) is the reverse blooming. In the digital trends video for the P Quantum X I could see it when the dashboard was loading. It bothered the hell out of me with the 43" and 50" E-Series. There would be a dark blob around bright portions of the screen, like clouds or people's faces against a darker background (like dark gray). It was very distracting.



The Philips monitor has a FreeSync range of 48Hz - 60Hz according the Rtings.
48hz... That's what I meant.
And i must have overlooked the specs on the 43"-50" vizio from CES.
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Damn when he was taping the screen, it felt cheap lol.
Par for the course. I cannot confirm if my P75-C1 did the whole taping thing, but it did not have a premium feel to it.

Vizio's User Interface has been and seems to be clunky as to be expected, however, you use it 1 time for initial set up then just let ATV4K take over from there.

It is literally the display people have been begging/crying/moaning Samsung and Sony to make (because the consumer knows best /s): Higher Dimming Zones, no ultra wide viewing coat to lower contrast levels, MOAR NITS and Dolby Vision (exc Sammy).

Let's see which TV sets are on top when it is all said and done.


If I was a gambling man, the contrast is going to be off the charts, but PQ is going to suffer from poor local dimming algorithm and terrible DSE which will result in playing the panel lottery several times until you decide to return the TV or just accept it.

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More first looks
https://hdgear.highdefdigest.com/731...barlineup.html

It seems like these guys actually got a PQ65 in their hands, not a PQX, but still interesting read nonetheless:
https://hdgear.highdefdigest.com/731...um4khdrtv.html

They address the dimming issues of the 2018 PQ model in their write-up:

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Blueish blooming around candles, torches, and characters set against dark or neutral backgrounds were quite noticeable on the 2018 P-Series Quantum, but scenes from movies like Sucker Punch and shows like Haunting of Hill House and Chilling Adventures of Sabrina that caused problems on last year's models were almost completely free of halos here. Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, in particularly, seems to be a very challenging title for many local dimming sets and causes rather annoying vignetting on the TCL 6-Series TV. The 2019 P-Series Quantum, however, was able to maintain deep blacks without crushing darker portions of the image.

With that said, some faint blueish halos could still creep up every now and then, particularly around logos, loading icons, and play/pause graphics -- but using the Medium local dimming setting generally offered a fantastic balance between maximizing black level performance and highlight brightness while also minimizing most blooming.

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The 2018 PQ65 had a recent update that improved blooming and banding. I wonder if rtings or anybody can relook at it and compare to the new tvs. Perhaps they pushed out whatever new FALD algorithm to the tv
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Man I am so hype for these new sets.I have waited so long and I am finally ready to buy my first 4k TV this year ,coming from a Vizio E600i-B3.Have my eye on the P-Series Quantum.

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Damn when he was taping the screen, it felt cheap lol.
Par for the course. I cannot confirm if my P75-C1 did the whole taping thing, but it did not have a premium feel to it.

Vizio's User Interface has been and seems to be clunky as to be expected, however, you use it 1 time for initial set up then just let ATV4K take over from there.

It is literally the display people have been begging/crying/moaning Samsung and Sony to make (because the consumer knows best /s): Higher Dimming Zones, no ultra wide viewing coat to lower contrast levels, MOAR NITS and Dolby Vision (exc Sammy).

Let's see which TV sets are on top when it is all said and done. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]


If I was a gambling man, the contrast is going to be off the charts, but PQ is going to suffer from poor local dimming algorithm and terrible DSE which will result in playing the panel lottery several times until you decide to return the TV or just accept it.
The problem is that FALD zone count matters very little in comparison to the algorithm and processing power. This is why Sony and Samsung, even though have fewer dimming zones, have significantly better local dimming overall. Samsungs new Q70 has a paltry 48 zones, but has excellent local dimming with almost no blooming. Seems like Vizio is just throwing more zones in without perfecting the software portion of it. Let's hope that works.

The most impressive thing about this set is the brightness. It still probably won't be able to go head to head with Sony or Samsung in terms of raw performance or contrast, but could offer previously unseen levels of brightness for HDR content.
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Wow, the noise when he tapped the panel. What you are hearing is the backlight layers vibrating and flopping around against each-other. This was for sure NOT present on the 2018 PQ. I am hoping he just got a one-off defective unit. Otherwise there is no telling where else costs were cut from an already cost-cutting television. Remember the first 2018 PQ I had was defective out of the box (backlight layers were either missing or not aligned correctly), and the second one lasted for only a few weeks before going up in smoke. Had I not been home and left the tv on, there is a good chance it would have caught on fire.
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Well it’s 2 rows of edge lighting. The native contrast is 7000:1 which is better than most FALD. The color coverage is better than oled

My delta e is 1.49 and the uniformity is really good.

Dunno I am pretty impressed. How many FALD are 7000:1

It’s 1000 nits with a black level at 0.15 or 600 nits with 0.05.

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Well it’s 2 rows of edge lighting. The native contrast is 7000:1 which is better than most FALD. The color coverage is better than oled

My delta e is 1.49 and the uniformity is really good.

Dunno I am pretty impressed. How many FALD are 7000:1

It’s 1000 nits with a black level at 0.15 or 600 nits with 0.05.
A display with a native contrast ratio of 7000:1 will look fantastic, even in a dark viewing environment.
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Anyone know if the Quantum X will have eArc? Or at the very least a firmware update in the future to support it? The receivers I’m looking at support it and I know the Sony x950g will be updating it’s firmware to it in the near future(if not already). Seems important in terms of getting quality audio and voice sync.
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