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How much does the native contrast ratio even matter if you're going to have FALD on?
Fair question and admittedly the contrast ratio with local dimming on for the Q90R is excellent if not outstanding. According to this guy, native contrast ratio still matters. I don't know for certain that he is correct but what he is arguing makes sense.
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Also keep in mind that although the Samsung Q90R has great contrast ratio numbers with the local dimming on, Sony's aren't as good for their X Wide Angle technology (see the Rtngs reviews for details). Vizio may or may not have a good implementation of Xwide angle. Personally I would rather not risk the awesome black levels that the 2018 Quantum has, for the sake of improved viewing angle. Just my opinion.
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Fair question and admittedly the contrast ratio with local dimming on for the Q90R is excellent if not outstanding. According to this guy, native contrast ratio still matters. I don't know for certain that he is correct but what he is arguing makes sense.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57769364



Also keep in mind that although the Samsung Q90R has great contrast ratio numbers with the local dimming on, Sony's aren't as good for their X Wide Angle technology (see the Rtngs reviews for details). Vizio may or may not have a good implementation of Xwide angle. Personally I would rather not risk the awesome black levels that the 2018 Quantum has, for the sake of improved viewing angle. Just my opinion.
Agreed, although RTINGS has the Contrast ratio at 6905 with Local Dimming On. They had the P Quantum in the 6000's with it Off. With Local Dimming on it was around 15,000 which is more than double the contrast ratio. If you ask me that's not worth a wider viewing angle with what I am seeing from RTINGS. The native of the Samsung TV's are practically IPS levels that match LG's. Although Samsung does LD better.

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Agreed, although RTINGS has the Contrast ratio at 6905 with Local Dimming On. They had the P Quantum in the 6000's with it Off. With Local Dimming on it was around 15,000 which is more than double the contrast ratio. If you ask me that's not worth a wider viewing angle with what I am seeing from RTINGS. The native of the Samsung TV's are practically IPS levels that match LG's. Although Samsung does LD better.

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Yep, and if you look at the Sony Z9F it might as well be an IPS panel as well.
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Agreed, although RTINGS has the Contrast ratio at 6905 with Local Dimming On. They had the P Quantum in the 6000's with it Off. With Local Dimming on it was around 15,000 which is more than double the contrast ratio. If you ask me that's not worth a wider viewing angle with what I am seeing from RTINGS. The native of the Samsung TV's are practically IPS levels that match LG's. Although Samsung does LD better.

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And you saw the naive contrast ratio of the 90r and 80r where? The 8k 900r is not the same.

Native contrast does matter but so does processing and why Samsungs and Sonys can look better than their numbers. Obviously, you can only do so much so not a cure all but at least their dimming control is relatively invisible in use, their scaling is better, gradients better etc and Sony motion still can't be beat. I know this is a Vizio thread but digging for false dirt on the competition shouldn't be what give's one justification for his purchase. None of these are perfect. Like it for what it is with respect for your use.
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And you saw the naive contrast ratio of the 90r and 80r where? The 8k 900r is not the same.



Native contrast does matter but so does processing and why Samsungs and Sonys can look better than their numbers. Obviously, you can only do so much so not a cure all but at least their dimming control is relatively invisible in use, their scaling is better, gradients better etc and Sony motion still can't be beat. I know this is a Vizio thread but digging for false dirt on the competition shouldn't be what give's one justification for his purchase. None of these are perfect. Like it for what it is with respect for your use.
That's fair. It was definitely just numbers which means nothing to actually what you see. There isn't anything that we can see yet about the 90R but I just figured the 900R would be better being that it is the "flagship". I could be very wrong obviously. I also understand that these Vizio's are far from perfect. I can't stand the blooming on the more grayish backgrounds. Also, I agree that Samsung and Sony do things better (not for the price though imo). I was also stating that for me.....contrast is the upmost importance. I love OLED but it has been mostly the same and I want to see the price drop more. I do like how the dimming is mostly unnoticed on the other sets but the Samsung also dims and leaves out details that should be there because they are dimming really aggressively. There really was no false dirt. What I said was true I believe. I was just comparing contrast alone. You are correct about what people's uses are is what should matter. If people watch a lot of cable or DVD's then I would definitely reccomend Samsung or Sony over the Vizio. For other stuff....well it depends o the direction the other companies are going. For me it's a poor choice to sacrifice contrast at the expense of viewing angles. You want both of those then get an OLED (which obviously has it's own problems itself). Most people that buy LED TV's in these forums understand that they are sacrificing viewing angles to get better contrast. For right now it appears that they are sacrificing contrast to get better viewing angles (LG has been doing that for a while now with their LED's). Time will tell I suppose. When an LED can do both then i will be more intrigued.

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I noticed the asterisk has appeared on P series Vizio's at Costco. That typically means clearance and will not be re stocked and something new is inbound. 4/15! Click image for larger version

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I noticed the asterisk has appeared on P series Vizio's at Costco. That typically means clearance and will not be re stocked and something new is inbound. 4/15! Attachment 2551740

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You may be reading in more in than is there. When Costco items are clearance, the item price ends in .97. You may also be correct but that basically means stock on hand and not necessarily that they will never have more.
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When you know you can't order more of an sku and you know your current sku's will sell fine, there is no reason to close it out on a $0.97 price The * is used to say they can't reorder.

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I noticed the asterisk has appeared on P series Vizio's at Costco. That typically means clearance and will not be re stocked and something new is inbound. 4/15! Attachment 2551740

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I guess that explains why the P series model wasn't in our store yesterday. I was bummed. I was hoping price would go down further.
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The prices on the 65" PQ has dropped to a really low level at my costco (also 4/15 limited time). Gotta hold stead for the 75"!
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Well the P75 sale at Costco ended yesterday and today its normal price is now $1550 (down from $1800 I think). So that's a good sign. Someone in another thread mentioned the 2019's would get announced this week, but I have no idea on their credibility. I just want pricing!
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Well the P75 sale at Costco ended yesterday and today its normal price is now $1550 (down from $1800 I think). So that's a good sign. Someone in another thread mentioned the 2019's would get announced this week, but I have no idea on their credibility. I just want pricing!
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Went to BEST Buy today to buy a new Washing Machine.

Decided to stop by the TV Department to find out if they had heard the Vizio 2019 TVs release date. There was no information, but I did learn two interesting “facts” about Vizio.

Vizio has a return rate of 95%.

Vizio was purchased by HiSense last September.

Very interesting, Vizio is not spelled or pronounced anything like Sharp.

95% return rate and still in business?

Time for a phone call to BEST BUY HDQTRS.
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Went to BEST Buy today to buy a new Washing Machine.

Decided to stop by the TV Department to find out if they had heard the Vizio 2019 TVs release date. There was no information, but I did learn two interesting “facts” about Vizio.

Vizio has a return rate of 95%.

Vizio was purchased by HiSense last September.

Very interesting, Vizio is not spelled or pronounced anything like Sharp.

95% return rate and still in business?

Time for a phone call to BEST BUY HDQTRS.
My bad. Editing this post, I misread that you said "facts". LOL.


The Hisense U9F which should compete with the Vizio Quantum X was slated to come out in June with a price tag of $3500 (1000 dimming zones). I expect the Vizio Quantum X to come in slightly lower than that and release in June timeframe. Just a hunch.
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That's fair. It was definitely just numbers which means nothing to actually what you see. There isn't anything that we can see yet about the 90R but I just figured the 900R would be better being that it is the "flagship". I could be very wrong obviously. I also understand that these Vizio's are far from perfect. I can't stand the blooming on the more grayish backgrounds. Also, I agree that Samsung and Sony do things better (not for the price though imo). I was also stating that for me.....contrast is the upmost importance. I love OLED but it has been mostly the same and I want to see the price drop more. I do like how the dimming is mostly unnoticed on the other sets but the Samsung also dims and leaves out details that should be there because they are dimming really aggressively. There really was no false dirt. What I said was true I believe. I was just comparing contrast alone. You are correct about what people's uses are is what should matter. If people watch a lot of cable or DVD's then I would definitely reccomend Samsung or Sony over the Vizio. For other stuff....well it depends o the direction the other companies are going. For me it's a poor choice to sacrifice contrast at the expense of viewing angles. You want both of those then get an OLED (which obviously has it's own problems itself). Most people that buy LED TV's in these forums understand that they are sacrificing viewing angles to get better contrast. For right now it appears that they are sacrificing contrast to get better viewing angles (LG has been doing that for a while now with their LED's). Time will tell I suppose. When an LED can do both then i will be more intrigued.

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Rtings Q90R review is out. Much better contrast than the 900 and wide view Sonys. Not quite as good as the Quantum but their overall highest ever rated LCD.
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Rtings Q90R review is out. Much better contrast than the 900 and wide view Sonys. Not quite as good as the Quantum but their overall highest ever rated LCD.
True, I wonder how they measure contrast because my specific P Series Quantum only measures 3200 or so for the contrast ratio and RTINGS measures at 6000 or so natively. Also I noticed that the gamut coverage of the Q90R took a hit....will that be very noticeable, probably not, but worth mentioning anyway.

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Rtings Q90R review is out. Much better contrast than the 900 and wide view Sonys. Not quite as good as the Quantum but their overall highest ever rated LCD.
Not as good contrast as the Q9FN either (native or with FALD) but still better than any other LCD.

Looks like a fantastic TV but at that price (especially) I would insist on a Dolby Vision capable display.
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True, I wonder how they measure contrast because my specific P Series Quantum only measures 3200 or so for the contrast ratio and RTINGS measures at 6000 or so natively. Also I noticed that the gamut coverage of the Q90R took a hit....will that be very noticeable, probably not, but worth mentioning anyway.

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To test contrast, we measure the luminance of both white and black, and then calculate the ratio between the two. Luminance is a metric to measure the amount of light (or intensity) present on a surface and is expressed in cd/m2. For TVs, the brighter the light of the screen is, the higher the luminance will be.
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True, I wonder how they measure contrast because my specific P Series Quantum only measures 3200 or so for the contrast ratio and RTINGS measures at 6000 or so natively. Also I noticed that the gamut coverage of the Q90R took a hit....will that be very noticeable, probably not, but worth mentioning anyway.

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Ya, Contrast varies a lot from site to site and I suppose how they measure. Gotta compare from the same source and even then, I really think the eye test still holds the greatest value.

Only brought it up in context of earlier posts. Different price point etc than Vizio.
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At that price for the 75" I guess I'll see what I can get a 75" Q9 for


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Will have to let this sink in and see reviews. Definitely disappointed it went above $3000. If it goes on deal immediately at Costco, I might be interested.

The Hisense U9F is going to MSRP at $3500 with double the zones. Not sure what Vizio is thinking.

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I found these fishing around the Vizio site.
Are they the 2019 models or just a 2018 variant?

https://www.vizio.com/m557g0.html

https://www.vizio.com/m657g0.html

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I believe those are new? Any luck on the P Quantum X? Keep digging and doing God's work!
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I believe those are new? Any luck on the P Quantum X? Keep digging and doing God's work!
If these are the 2019 the specs given at CES were great exaggerated.

They had said the FALD zone count would start at 90 zones and peak brightness of 600 nit.
55 x16 zones
65 x20 zones
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I feel like the website will be slowly updated throughout the night. Maybe will be announced around 8 or 9 am pacific tomorrow....just speculation.

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