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I mean, i don't think i am but to each his own. I echo Vincent's thoughts. It's HDR performance is completely and utterly unrivaled. I really doubt many have seen it. Sony has 2 demos. Period. Again sitting next to other flagships playing same content it was astonishingly realistic. Better black level performance and little blooming vs the Z9F obviously and just absolutely crushes the OLED in realistic HDR performance.
Makes you wonder how Flatpanelshd rated this set so poorly. They said HDR performance was not as good as OLED, due to the lower contrast ratio. Here are a couple quotes I lifted from the review regarding the HDR performance of the Z9G...

“Still, it is my conviction that a native contrast of around 2500-3500:1 and 720 dimming zones are not enough for excellent HDR picture quality.”

“You can get excellent 77" 4K OLED TVs that in our opinion deliver better HDR picture quality for a third of the cost of Sony's 85-inch Z9G.”

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I am one of those torn souls making that decision. I am deciding between an 82" Q90, 82"Q900 and the Z9G. I believe the reviews that I have read in that the Z9G offers the most stunning picture available. I really wish Sony didn't put so many speakers in this thing though because the additional height incurred now encroaches over my fireplace mantle and it sure would make it easier to lift up 7ft to mount without that extra weight. It is not a show-stopper, I can have it overlap but its not ideal. The other knock is the lack of full HDMI 2.1 support, specifically VRR, is pretty disappointing for a flagship product. If I went the Z9G route my next upgrade would be for micro-LED in 4 or 5 years assuming it comes to fruition.

The Q90 is probably the most sane purchase to make as a stop-gap. Excellent picture quality, fast response times and VRR support. It is reasonably priced compared to the Q900 and Z9G. Purchasing the Q90R would give 2 years or so for 8K tech to be refined and then I would upgrade at that point to the latest/greatest.

The Q900 is appetizing because it currently affords the second highest light output next to the Z9G and is more affordable considering the street price is no where near the MSRP. I believe in 8K displays and when I compared this in store next to the Q90 the picture was clearer on the Q900 in my opinion. If it had Dolby Vision support I would be more compelled to take the leap, but as it stands I feel like it is in no-mans land. I don't think this would keep me happy for 3-4 years.

I am waiting on the Z9G to hit the streets before making a decision so that I can see what dealer pricing looks like.


The spot I hang my TVs excepts 75" beautifully. If I were to hang the Z9G (which is what I would like to do) about 8" from the bottom of the panel from half the set to the right side of the panel would be behind a barrel chair (it must be there, period).

During watching regular TV, no problem. I can live with it. BUT during movie watching, I would have to move the chair each time, a pain but that must happen.

So here's my question: Would the problem of the barrel chair be worth the pain of moving it to have the Z9G OR would changing the purchase to the OLED 77" A9G to fit the area? (The Z9G is not in my area to view)

That is what I'm going through right now. Z9G or A9G? Those of you that have seen the Z9G, what is your thought to my question?

I'm worried about not liking the less bright A9G.

Help. I really don't know what is best for my situation.


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How is everyone so sure the z9g 85" will be $13K?

Sony website says price not available, as do three local dealers in Albuquerque? Where does the $13K figure come from. I've been assuming it was the Gospel for quite a while now.

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It was on Sony's site for a brief period and some stores had the price up for pre-orders.
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Shocking Update: 85Z9G is amazing.

Was at a Sony training yesterday and on the same table as the Z9F, A9G it completely embarrasses the others. Hilariously different.
Is it as good as your z9d? Black levels as good or closer to the z9f's contrast?
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The spot I hang my TVs excepts 75" beautifully. If I were to hang the Z9G (which is what I would like to do) about 8" from the bottom of the panel from half the set to the right side of the panel would be behind a barrel chair (it must be there, period).

During watching regular TV, no problem. I can live with it. BUT during movie watching, I would have to move the chair each time, a pain but that must happen.

So here's my question: Would the problem of the barrel chair be worth the pain of moving it to have the Z9G OR would changing the purchase to the OLED 77" A9G to fit the area? (The Z9G is not in my area to view)

That is what I'm going through right now. Z9G or A9G? Those of you that have seen the Z9G, what is your thought to my question?

I'm worried about not liking the less bright A9G.

Help. I really don't know what is best for my situation.


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I feel you. I am restricted to LCD because my room has a wall of floor to ceiling windows adjacent to the TV and my viewing habits make me highly susceptible to burn in. If OLED works with your viewing content and environment that is absolutely the way to go. flatpanelsHD affirms this:

"We also prefer A9G's HDR picture quality over Sony's 8K Z9G's, despite the latter having much higher peak brightness. We believe that perfect black and pixel-level luminance control are two of the most important ingredients in HDR."

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According to Vincent Teoh the 75z9d has 40 x 20 zones and the 85z9g has 36 x 20 zones. The attached image visualizes the zone/size difference.
Well that is pretty darn close
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It was on Sony's site for a brief period and some stores had the price up for pre-orders.
Says 185.000 sek in Sweden = 17.000 eur roughly.

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I mean, i don't think i am but to each his own. I echo Vincent's thoughts. It's HDR performance is completely and utterly unrivaled. I really doubt many have seen it. Sony has 2 demos. Period. Again sitting next to other flagships playing same content it was astonishingly realistic. Better black level performance and little blooming vs the Z9F obviously and just absolutely crushes the OLED in realistic HDR performance.
Was the 85 next to the 65a9g and 65z9f? Size alone is a huge factor.

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Makes you wonder how Flatpanelshd rated this set so poorly. They said HDR performance was not as good as OLED, due to the lower contrast ratio. Here are a couple quotes I lifted from the review regarding the HDR performance of the Z9G...

“Still, it is my conviction that a native contrast of around 2500-3500:1 and 720 dimming zones are not enough for excellent HDR picture quality.”

“You can get excellent 77" 4K OLED TVs that in our opinion deliver better HDR picture quality for a third of the cost of Sony's 85-inch Z9G.”

Nonsense!
They are absolutely wrong, 100 percent and it shows how misinformed people are. It's by far the best HDR TV on the planet and a new standard. While i can't confirm it's to Z9D standards it is damn close and TWICE as bright. No tone mapping, all content on the disc is viewable and it is wonderful to see in person. I would buy it in a nano second and it isn't even close, the Samsung is playing Chess while the Sony is playing 3D Chess. Motion clarity, backlight Control, sustained brightness in large and small windows, etc, etc.
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Was the 85 next to the 65a9g and 65z9f? Size alone is a huge factor.

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They were 65's but the takeaway wasn't size, i'm very used to looking at 85" and what not. It was the hilarious difference in color depth and output brightness. At a quick glance it was obvious how much more dynamic this thing is compared to even the Z9F. Honestly the OLED was hard to watch it was so dim. All TV's were set to Standard and light sensor off so take that for what you will.
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How is everyone so sure the z9g 85" will be $13K?

Sony website says price not available, as do three local dealers in Albuquerque? Where does the $13K figure come from. I've been assuming it was the Gospel for quite a while now.
It's absolutely 12,999

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I feel you. I am restricted to LCD because my room has a wall of floor to ceiling windows adjacent to the TV and my viewing habits make me highly susceptible to burn in. If OLED works with your viewing content and environment that is absolutely the way to go. flatpanelsHD affirms this:

"We also prefer A9G's HDR picture quality over Sony's 8K Z9G's, despite the latter having much higher peak brightness. We believe that perfect black and pixel-level luminance control are two of the most important ingredients in HDR."


https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review....&id=1559897568
I'm like you: A room of windows.

It's my wife that watches in the day time and she literally does not care about PQ. I'm the PQ perfectionist and I only watch in the evenings. Maybe it would work for me.

The OLED would be on all day but not on the same channel. it would vary every hour. Maybe I would not have burn-in problems?????????????


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It's absolutely 12,999
Based on what, exactly?

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Based on what, exactly?
Based on what was on the Sony website and other retail outlets before they took the pages down. Until they announce anything different, I'm going with that.
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Based on what, exactly?
Umm, the price sheet i'm staring at as a Sony dealer.

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I'm like you: A room of windows.

It's my wife that watches in the day time and she literally does not care about PQ. I'm the PQ perfectionist and I only watch in the evenings. Maybe it would work for me.

The OLED would be on all day but not on the same channel. it would vary every hour. Maybe I would not have burn-in problems?????????????


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We are more alike than not in our situations haha My girlfriend keeps the TV on the majority of the day on weekends, either Hallmark or HGTV while she does her cleaning/chores and I have seen her pause Netflix before for long periods of time as well. In my case I am not going to be the TV police and worry about what she is watching. Having an OLED for me would take the enjoyment out of the PQ because I would constantly be worried about how it was degrading, I would go nuts.

Personally I wouldn't risk burn-in in your scenario. From what I understand burn-in is cumulative, it doesn't matter how varied the content is; there is no regeneration. If you have a TV logo in the bottom corner of the screen for 30minutes, watch a 2hr movie and then go back to a channel that has a logo at the bottom of the screen- you are back to 30 minutes and counting for permanent retention on that specific image. From what I understand at-least LG is advancing their pixel structure every year to be more burn-in resistant so the rtings study (https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real...d-burn-in-test) is not apples to apples with latest OLED generations. I am not sure what if anything Sony has done to their OLED pixel structure.

OLED is king in PQ but it comes at a cost. Only you can determine whether the trade-offs are worth it for your scenario. This is just my 2 cents, if you want to read OLED vs LCD fan boys going at it over the topic you can get some popcorn and head to this thread: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...-oled-lcd.html
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We are more alike than not in our situations haha My girlfriend keeps the TV on the majority of the day on weekends, either Hallmark or HGTV while she does her cleaning/chores and I have seen her pause Netflix before for long periods of time as well. In my case I am not going to be the TV police and worry about what she is watching. Having an OLED for me would take the enjoyment out of the PQ because I would constantly be worried about how it was degrading, I would go nuts.
The only difference between you and I: girlfriend vs wife

You are correct. I'm getting my mind off OLED and back on Z9G

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Umm, the price sheet i'm staring at as a Sony dealer.

I hope you guys are right, if you're satisfied with that price--it looks pretty good to me.

However I just ordered the 82" Sammy 8k for reasons that include price, and current availability, but I look forward to checking out the Z9G. Best wishes to you all.
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I do not know if this has been mentioned or not.

If so, it's worth stating once more, especially for those that are on the fence regarding buying or not.

During Vincent Teoh's review of the Z9G, he states...

Even though he has reviewed many, many HDR sets, watching HDR on the Z9G was as if he was viewing HDR for the first time.


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I do not know if this has been mentioned or not.

If so, it's worth stating once more, especially for those that are on the fence regarding buying or not.

During Vincent Teoh's review of the Z9G, he states...

Even though he has reviewed many, many HDR sets, watching HDR on the Z9G was as if he was viewing HDR for the first time.


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This cannot be overstated. It's that different.

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From what I understand at-least LG is advancing their pixel structure every year to be more burn-in resistant so the rtings study (https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real...d-burn-in-test) is not apples to apples with latest OLED generations. I am not sure what if anything Sony has done to their OLED pixel structure.

One FYI: Sony uses LG panels, so it has the same pixel structure and the increases in red subpixel size to increase lifetime will also apply for Sony TVs. However, as an LCD and OLED owner, I agree with the point that the Z9G would be better if you want a high-end TV that can also be on in the background for extended periods.
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This cannot be overstated. It's that different.
At the same time though, the price plus the many mentions of blooming in other reviews/previews cannot be overstated either...
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At the same time though, the price plus the many mentions of blooming in other reviews/previews cannot be overstated either...
Well...it’s a FALD LCD tv, so it goes without saying that it will have some blooming. Even the mighty Z9D has blooming.
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Vincent's review is enlightening. He suggests that consumers looking to watch movies in a dark room would go OLED. By pushing the HDR light output Sony opted for the highest nit count in exchange for more blooming and higher black levels. Samsung sort of split the difference. By all accounts the Q90 has a lower black level and a higher ANSI contrast ratio. At least on the 65". Still, this may not hold true comparing the 82" Samsung to the Z9G as, with the same zone count as the 65", the 82Q90's blacks/contrast/blooming is bound to suffer.


I'm going to demo the Z9G as soon as it comes out. I'm going to use the scene from Sicario where Benito Del Toro is in the police cruiser giving orders to the officer. It is extremely dark and has subtitles. If it blooms worse than my Sony 940D, or has a higher black level, it's DQ'd no matter how bright it's HDR highlights are. Such a set is for football at a sports bar, not my HT.


Don't get me wrong, I really want to buy one. Hence, I'm hoping to be surprised by what I see.
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Well...it’s a FALD LCD tv, so it goes without saying that it will have some blooming. Even the mighty Z9D has blooming.
The 65" model perhaps and then only during the most extreme cirumstances. The 75" is in another ball league altogether (I own both).

Make no mistake, the Z9D has set the standard though.
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I'm going to demo the Z9G as soon as it comes out. I'm going to use the scene from Sicario where Benito Del Toro is in the police cruiser giving orders to the officer. It is extremely dark and has subtitles. If it blooms worse than my Sony 940D, or has a higher black level, it's DQ'd no matter how bright it's HDR highlights are. Such a set is for football at a sports bar, not my HT.


Don't get me wrong, I really want to buy one. Hence, I'm hoping to be surprised by what I see.
I'll be waiting to see what you discover

I would like to get the Z9G BUT do not want to get rid of the Z9D just for an 85" TV. The Z9G must come close the Z9D

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I'll be waiting to see what you discover

I would like to get the Z9G BUT do not want to get rid of the Z9D just for an 85" TV. The Z9G must come close the Z9D
As a fellow Z9D owner (65" + 75") I would like to say to you: be sure you know what you're getting into.
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I would like to get the Z9G BUT do not want to get rid of the Z9D just for an 85" TV. The Z9G must come close the Z9D
Agreed. In fact, I'd have paid more than 13k for a 4k 85Z9G with no wide angle tech, a zone count ratio the same as the Z9D, the latest processing and as much light output as Sony could come up with while retaining Z9D black levels/blooming or better.

How close the Z9G comes to that remains to be seen.
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As a fellow Z9D owner (65" + 75") I would like to say to you: be sure you know what you're getting into.
Very wise thinking.

I think about the Z9D and I wonder why I am even thinking about do this

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